Draft Hand

[B.M]

Let me get this straight

In 2019
No First Round, No Second Round, No Third Round and No Fourth Round (Butler)

In 2020
First Round, No Second Round, 2 x Third Round, No Fourth Round

Talk about selling the farm and Mortgaging the future?

We traded in one good player and some OK players

Lost
Steven, Acres, Bruce

Wow

[Moods]

Let me get this straight

In 2019
No First Round, No Second Round, No Third Round and No Fourth Round (Butler)

In 2020
First Round, No Second Round, 2 x Third Round, No Fourth Round

Talk about selling the farm and Mortgaging the future?

We traded in one good player and some OK players

Lost
Steven, Acres, Bruce

Wow

Maybe. But our history in drafts has been poor. It's very hit and miss. Rather trade in proven performers. Anything outside of the 1st round is lottery

[takeaway]

Let me get this straight

In 2019
No First Round, No Second Round, No Third Round and No Fourth Round (Butler)

In 2020
First Round, No Second Round, 2 x Third Round, No Fourth Round

Talk about selling the farm and Mortgaging the future?

We traded in one good player and some OK players

Lost
Steven, Acres, Bruce

Wow

And yet I have no doubt our list is significantly improved. We need to get Jones as well.

[IluvHarvey]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we are planning to move another player out for picks (someone we haven’t heard about yet)

[linmarnic]

We keep next year's first round pick. That is a win for us.

[shrodes]

Bruce hasn't been traded out (yet)
Butler hasn't been traded in (yet)

Patience young padawan.

[saintsRrising]

Let me get this straight


In 2020
First Round, No Second Round, 2 x Third Round, No Fourth Round

We have a future fourth-round selection from Port.

[CURLY]

Let me get this straight

In 2019
No First Round, No Second Round, No Third Round and No Fourth Round (Butler)

In 2020
First Round, No Second Round, 2 x Third Round, No Fourth Round

Talk about selling the farm and Mortgaging the future?

We traded in one good player and some OK players

Lost
Steven, Acres, Bruce

Wow

Traded in Howard, Hill Ryder and Hannebery. Thats 3 very good players and Ryder a much needed one.

[SMS]

Got 2 guns. A 12 year Full Back.
Hill will be a gun for 5-8 years.
Weve done awesome. AS long as we get Butler and ZJones.

[Mr Magic]

Got 2 guns. A 12 year Full Back.
Hill will be a gun for 5-8 years.
Weve done awesome. AS long as we get Butler and ZJones.

Careful,
You'll get banned for spoiling the 'we're crap' sentiment of so many.

[B.M]

So Howard will play FB until he’s 35

And

Hill will play until 34?

Hill is a proven gun

Howard is not a gun at the moment, he may turn out alright. He may not.

[Joffa Burns]

Let me get this straight

In 2019
No First Round, No Second Round, No Third Round and No Fourth Round (Butler)

In 2020
First Round, No Second Round, 2 x Third Round, No Fourth Round

Talk about selling the farm and Mortgaging the future?

We traded in one good player and some OK players

Lost
Steven, Acres, Bruce

Wow

Traded in Howard, Hill Ryder and Hannebery. Thats 3 very good players and Ryder a much needed one.

Happy with Howard & Hill, Hannebery and Ryder - no thanks.

[Mr Magic]

Is Ryder in 2020 a worse ruckman than Gardiner and King were in 2009/2010?

[CURLY]

Let me get this straight

In 2019
No First Round, No Second Round, No Third Round and No Fourth Round (Butler)

In 2020
First Round, No Second Round, 2 x Third Round, No Fourth Round

Talk about selling the farm and Mortgaging the future?

We traded in one good player and some OK players

Lost
Steven, Acres, Bruce

Wow

Traded in Howard, Hill Ryder and Hannebery. Thats 3 very good players and Ryder a much needed one.

Happy with Howard & Hill, Hannebery and Ryder - no thanks.

Hannerbrey showed more than enough in those last few games to suggest a second round pick for him was a bargain and Ryder is a great get.

[Joffa Burns]

Let me get this straight

In 2019
No First Round, No Second Round, No Third Round and No Fourth Round (Butler)

In 2020
First Round, No Second Round, 2 x Third Round, No Fourth Round

Talk about selling the farm and Mortgaging the future?

We traded in one good player and some OK players

Lost
Steven, Acres, Bruce

Wow

Traded in Howard, Hill Ryder and Hannebery. Thats 3 very good players and Ryder a much needed one.

Happy with Howard & Hill, Hannebery and Ryder - no thanks.

Hannerbrey showed more than enough in those last few games to suggest a second round pick for him was a bargain and Ryder is a great get.

Hannebery passed a fitness test and managed 4 average games for a season on a reported $800K.
Year 1 - BUST!
Lets see what happens in 2020.

Ryder - is finished, old, slow, immobile.
Has been a very good player but he is done, totally cooked.

Happy with Howard & Hill is a jet.

[Joffa Burns]

Is Ryder in 2020 a worse ruckman than Gardiner and King were in 2009/2010?

We were contending in those years and had a young McEvoy who was not ready.

Ryder steps in to take time from and quell the development of the best young ruck the saints have seen in 20 years.

Ryder will be #1 ruck and Marshall will play KPP and pinch hit filling the Bruce role.
Stupid decision by the saint IMO.

[Mr Magic]

Is Ryder in 2020 a worse ruckman than Gardiner and King were in 2009/2010?

We were contending in those years and had a young McEvoy who was not ready.

Ryder steps in to take time from and quell the development of the best young ruck the saints have seen in 20 years.

Ryder will be #1 ruck and Marshall will play KPP and pinch hit filling the Bruce role.
Stupid decision by the saint IMO.

And I view it differently, probably with my rose coloured glasses!
I see Ryder as still a capable ruckman, who most likely will actually give us more at centre bounces and around the ground ball ups than the rapidly improving Marshall.
At the same time Marshall is a vast improvement on the ruckwork of Bruce et al and can become a really potent KPP.
I actually think our mids may be relishing the thought of roving to a serious ruck combination.
And I'm sure Marshall Is going to learn plenty from Ryder in the next couple of years.

[bakes]

So Joffa, let's say we didn't recruit Ryder, and Marshall does his ACL round 1 , what's plan B?

[CQ SAINT]

Let me get this straight

In 2019
No First Round, No Second Round, No Third Round and No Fourth Round (Butler)

In 2020
First Round, No Second Round, 2 x Third Round, No Fourth Round

Talk about selling the farm and Mortgaging the future?

We traded in one good player and some OK players

Lost
Steven, Acres, Bruce

Wow

Bit dramatic really. We don't have a second round pick next year. Big deal.

[freely]

...
I see Ryder as still a capable ruckman, who most likely will actually give us more at centre bounces and around the ground ball ups than the rapidly improving Marshall.
At the same time Marshall is a vast improvement on the ruckwork of Bruce et al and can become a really potent KPP.
I actually think our mids may be relishing the thought of roving to a serious ruck combination.
And I'm sure Marshall Is going to learn plenty from Ryder in the next couple of years.

Lest we forget...
https://twitter.com/i/status/891225219171401728

[CQ SAINT]

I think Ryder will surprise a few next year.

[SaintPav]

Typical one sided posting.

It’s getting a little predictable and boring.

[cwrcyn]

We came into this trade period with a terrible hand. We improved it with our deal with the Giants. That was the critical move.

[ace]

Bruce hasn't been traded out (yet)
Butler hasn't been traded in (yet)

Patience young padawan.

Zac Smith is yet to be traded in.

Sydney say Bulldogs pick 32 not enough.
Bulldog's have picks 13, 32, 45, 51, 53 & 89.
Saints say Bulldogs have to secure us Zac Smith if they want Josh Bruce.

Alternative is St Kilda bundles everything they have left in the cupboard = 2020 3rd round pick attached to Fremantle, 2020 4th pick attached to Port Adelaide and give Sydney back Hannebery !
Our 2019 picks 76 and 82 presently have zero draft points but may gain some during the draft as multiple picks are used to secure father-son and academy picks.
Don't be surprised if one of those 2020 picks gets used to secure Butler.

Who do you want Josh Bruce or Zac Smith ?

[ace]

...
I see Ryder as still a capable ruckman, who most likely will actually give us more at centre bounces and around the ground ball ups than the rapidly improving Marshall.
At the same time Marshall is a vast improvement on the ruckwork of Bruce et al and can become a really potent KPP.
I actually think our mids may be relishing the thought of roving to a serious ruck combination.
And I'm sure Marshall Is going to learn plenty from Ryder in the next couple of years.

Lest we forget...
https://twitter.com/i/status/891225219171401728

I hope Ryder grabs hold of Ross, Dunstan and Billings and makes them watch that play 100 times a day.
Then Ratten should repeat the dose.