Hill to Geelong?

[B.M]

Hill is elite

He would automatically become our best player and only elite player on the list.

The other four are nothing special... at all.

[Stephen Theodore]

Seriously gutter journalism shouldn't get a run on this forum.

It is a sensationalist article with the first line saying "While Hill is considered most likely to be at St Kilda come the end of the trade period, the Cats are understood to have moved into the frame as a contingency club in the wake of a breakdown in negotiations between the Dockers and Saints this week."

Crap crap crap.

Relax people all will get done.

About the only comment that makes any sense

[SillySaints]

Rubbish click bait article. More about Menegola getting to Freo than Hill coming to us.

[Ape_Man]

Hill is elite

He would automatically become our best player and only elite player on the list.

The other four are nothing special... at all.

I think people think his is the second coming of Winmar.

He is not.

Hill’s highlight reel is elite.

His stats don’t back it up.

He wasn’t in the All Australian squad.

He has some amazing moments, rarely 4 quarter efforts. 4 Brownlow votes this year.

I hope we get him, he is a good player. Although I don’t think he is the messiah people want him to be.

Pick 6 was overs, but fair considering circumstances.

12 and next years second seems about right to me.

[To the top]

The question to be asked is, Hill has nominated St Kilda where (apparently) he will be the ONLY A Grade player we will have, the rest C and D Grade and worse as we are constantly reminded by a serial, recalcitrant contributor on here - and, to boot, our administration is not up to standard

So Hill has nominated to come to a Club which will be propping up the competition during the remainder of Hill’s career

Why has he nominated St Kilda?

In fact, why has anyone nominated St Kilda?

[vacuous space]

The source of the rumour of Geelong's interest seems to be a Perth paper, which seems very, very questionable.

[To the top]

And just to add, we field 22 players each week

So, as St Kilda’s history attests, you need more than an elite player or some elite players

[Secret Kiel]

I don’t think Hill is worth 2 first rounders

But if he’s worth 900k he’s worth a bit.

Just because they asked for 2 first rounders initially, do you really think they expected that?
Of course they went high with demands as they want as much as possible for their contracted player.
Give them 48 hours they’d have take 6 and maybe a pick swap?

it's the same game we are playing with Bruce and Stevens. 101 negotiations. Hill will be in the RW&B in 2020.

[Ape_Man]

And just to add, we field 22 players each week

So, as St Kilda’s history attests, you need more than an elite player or some elite players

I maintain that Hill is A grade, not elite.

You are, of course, correct that we need some elite players.

My concern is that if we pay an elite price for Hill we remove ourselves from future opportunities.

I have faith that the boffins involved have an eye on a larger picture. One that shrinks massively if we go too far on the Hill deal.

[Secret Kiel]

And just to add, we field 22 players each week

So, as St Kilda’s history attests, you need more than an elite player or some elite players

I maintain that Hill is A grade, not elite.

You are, of course, correct that we need some elite players.

My concern is that if we pay an elite price for Hill we remove ourselves from future opportunities.

I have faith that the boffins involved have an eye on a larger picture. One that shrinks massively if we go too far on the Hill deal.

Isn't it a "splitting hairs" argument the whole A grade verses elite, and as far as the price tag, don't you sometimes have to spend a little more than you like to fill a need.

[B.M]

His numbers are elite

25 possessions off the wing, at high efficiency.

He is the hardest running winger in the AFL and he uses it well.

If he isn’t what we need with our plethora of slow inside Mids I’m a monkeys uncle!

Seriously, get it done!

He is more important than all the other trades put together.

[B.M]

Oh

And we are a destination club for one reason

$$$$$$$$$!

[prwilkinson]

Seriously gutter journalism shouldn't get a run on this forum.

It is a sensationalist article with the first line saying "While Hill is considered most likely to be at St Kilda come the end of the trade period, the Cats are understood to have moved into the frame as a contingency club in the wake of a breakdown in negotiations between the Dockers and Saints this week."

Crap crap crap.

Relax people all will get done.

About the only comment that makes any sense

Yep, nice column filler. Let’s just wait and see what comes out in the wash.

[Ape_Man]

His numbers are elite

25 possessions off the wing, at high efficiency.

He is the hardest running winger in the AFL and he uses it well.

If he isn’t what we need with our plethora of slow inside Mids I’m a monkeys uncle!

Seriously, get it done!

He is more important than all the other trades put together.

His numbers are about the same as Billings over their careers.

His efficiency is a little bit under Seb Ross’ over their careers. A little bit more in Seb’s favour this year.

I can’t find stats for hardest running.

Overall, if his numbers are elite then so are Billing’s and Ross’.

Over his career, he isn’t much ahead of Acres except for meters gained.

If Hill’s numbers are elite, we are lucky to have a few ‘elite’ players already at the club.

But let’s go on highlights, pay massive overs and worry about the future next year.

[Joffa Burns]

The question to be asked is, Hill has nominated St Kilda where (apparently) he will be the ONLY A Grade player we will have, the rest C and D Grade and worse as we are constantly reminded by a serial, recalcitrant contributor on here - and, to boot, our administration is not up to standard

So Hill has nominated to come to a Club which will be propping up the competition during the remainder of Hill’s career

Why has he nominated St Kilda?

In fact, why has anyone nominated St Kilda?

A question.

Who would you deem A grade at St Kilda at the moment?
Closest would be Marshall, Billings & Ross at a guess.
Steven was A grade but jury out now.

Hill has nominated Saints IMO for $$$$ he cannot get elsewhere and probably had a great relationship with Ratten whilst at Hawthorn.

Hill is a priority as he adds speed & very good disposal to a one paced midfield.

[The OtherThommo]

What's the delta between what Kelly was paid at Geelong, and the $900k p.a. we've offered Hill?

Kelly spent 2 years at Geelong, which would have been the standard 2 year contract for draftees, would it not?

And, didn't Ablett play for peanuts, so they could stay under the cap?

How in the hell could Geelong fit Hill's $900k p.a. under the cap?

Kelly's and Menegola's salary?!?! Who else's salaries have they shed?

'Does not compute'!

Cut the offer to Hill?

Wouldn't that go down a treat with the P.A., and an AFL trying to avoid any mention of 'restraint of trade' ? The whole system's held together by a bit of duct tape and string....

And, contracts that still contain leeway on 'changed circumstances'. Most/all contracts do contain leeway, the type and amount depend on the endeavour, and what damage might be done to the counterparty.

Plus, doesn't Hill's manager, Colin Young, have 17 other blokes on Freo's list on his books?

And, isn't Colin Young a very good mate of Gubby's?

Seems to me someone needs to work out how Bell might save a little face.

Otherwise, Freo might just find out how little scope there is to hold a player to perform to a contract. Particularly, when his move was flagged early as being for 'relationship reasons'.

I reckon we'll get the deal done.

[B.M]

He has highlights because he’s elite!

He does very good things in games of footy because he’s got talent.

If you are suggesting Seb has better disposal than Hill, you’re off your rocker

He works harder both ways than Billings

[The OtherThommo]

The question to be asked is, Hill has nominated St Kilda where (apparently) he will be the ONLY A Grade player we will have, the rest C and D Grade and worse as we are constantly reminded by a serial, recalcitrant contributor on here - and, to boot, our administration is not up to standard

So Hill has nominated to come to a Club which will be propping up the competition during the remainder of Hill’s career

Why has he nominated St Kilda?

In fact, why has anyone nominated St Kilda?

A question.

Who would you deem A grade at St Kilda at the moment?
Closest would be Marshall, Billings & Ross at a guess.
Steven was A grade but jury out now.

Hill has nominated Saints IMO for $$$$ he cannot get elsewhere and probably had a great relationship with Ratten whilst at Hawthorn.

Hill is a priority as he adds speed & very good disposal to a one paced midfield.

No-one seems to have found anyone who had a bad relationship with Ratten at Hawthorn, JB.

And, don't forget Roughead was one of Hill's 'leaders' at Hawthorn, and it's also very hard to find anyone who doesn't respect 'the Rough'.

I also think you may find we ticked off another of Hill's 'likes' with Ryder, who is respected as an 'elder statesmen' by the AFL's indigenous fraternity.

[Ape_Man]

He has highlights because he’s elite!

He does very good things in games of footy because he’s got talent.

If you are suggesting Seb has better disposal than Hill, you’re off your rocker

He works harder both ways than Billings

I was just pointing out that Ross’ disposal efficiency is higher than Hill’s.

2019: Hill 67%. Ross 73%
Career: Hill 71% Ross 73%

I think it is also important to note that Champion data consider any kick over 45 meters to be effective.

Maybe I’m off my rocker, but these numbers say Ross hits his targets more often than Hill.

And Seb gets it more often. Over careers Hill averages 20.1 disposals. Seb 24.5.

This year Hill 25.1. Seb 26.0.

I’ve shown you mine, now show me yours.

[Crossy66]

What's the delta between what Kelly was paid at Geelong, and the $900k p.a. we've offered Hill?

Kelly spent 2 years at Geelong, which would have been the standard 2 year contract for draftees, would it not?

And, didn't Ablett play for peanuts, so they could stay under the cap?

How in the hell could Geelong fit Hill's $900k p.a. under the cap?

Kelly's and Menegola's salary?!?! Who else's salaries have they shed?

'Does not compute'!

Cut the offer to Hill?

Wouldn't that go down a treat with the P.A., and an AFL trying to avoid any mention of 'restraint of trade' ? The whole system's held together by a bit of duct tape and string....

And, contracts that still contain leeway on 'changed circumstances'. Most/all contracts do contain leeway, the type and amount depend on the endeavour, and what damage might be done to the counterparty.

Plus, doesn't Hill's manager, Colin Young, have 17 other blokes on Freo's list on his books?

And, isn't Colin Young a very good mate of Gubby's?

Seems to me someone needs to work out how Bell might save a little face.

Otherwise, Freo might just find out how little scope there is to hold a player to perform to a contract. Particularly, when his move was flagged early as being for 'relationship reasons'.

I reckon we'll get the deal done.

Excellent post. I think this is why the afl get active behind the scenes to avoid the duct tape breaking. Mediation I think they call it. I think it comes down to how motivated the Hill camp is to moving on.

[SaintPav]

Does the AFL offer a mediation mechanism? That would be useful under certain circumstances.

[samuraisaint]

He has highlights because he’s elite!

He does very good things in games of footy because he’s got talent.

If you are suggesting Seb has better disposal than Hill, you’re off your rocker

He works harder both ways than Billings

I was just pointing out that Ross’ disposal efficiency is higher than Hill’s.

2019: Hill 67%. Ross 73%
Career: Hill 71% Ross 73%

I think it is also important to note that Champion data consider any kick over 45 meters to be effective.

Maybe I’m off my rocker, but these numbers say Ross hits his targets more often than Hill.

And Seb gets it more often. Over careers Hill averages 20.1 disposals. Seb 24.5.

This year Hill 25.1. Seb 26.0.

I’ve shown you mine, now show me yours.

Said the actress to the Bishop! Tissh boom.

Freo asked for two first round picks - we went out and got them. I don't see what the problem is.
Hill will be in a St Kilda jumper in 2020.

[samuraisaint]

The question to be asked is, Hill has nominated St Kilda where (apparently) he will be the ONLY A Grade player we will have, the rest C and D Grade and worse as we are constantly reminded by a serial, recalcitrant contributor on here - and, to boot, our administration is not up to standard

So Hill has nominated to come to a Club which will be propping up the competition during the remainder of Hill’s career

Why has he nominated St Kilda?

In fact, why has anyone nominated St Kilda?

Foundation club. Play in Melbourne. Based out of the best part of the city and train in one of the most livable locations in the entire world.
Plus they get to play at AFL level. Sounds pretty good to me.

[B.M]

How do you know what type of kicks are achieving these percentages?

Leroy Jetta at 65% is better than Seb Ross at 75%

Why? when he hits a 45 target over 40m it breaks the game open... which leads to score involvements.

Hill is a metres gained player, he carries the footy and kicks it a lot more than he handballs.

Face it, he’s a good player and the type of player we need

[Ape_Man]

How do you know what type of kicks are achieving these percentages?

Leroy Jetta at 65% is better than Seb Ross at 75%

Why? when he hits a 45 target over 40m it breaks the game open... which leads to score involvements.

Hill is a metres gained player, he carries the footy and kicks it a lot more than he handballs.

Face it, he’s a good player and the type of player we need

I have said he is good, very good. I just don’t think he is the messiah and don’t want the club comprising future drafts for him.

6 on its own was more than fair.

In my totally worthless opinion, 12 and next years 2nd round is about right.

I worry about future moves if we pay more than that.