Dan Butler

[Saintmatt]

we really dont need another small forward do we?

We need better ones. I’d have Butler any day over Lonie. No contest

[saintbob]

we really dont need another small forward do we?

We need better ones. I’d have Butler any day over Lonie. No contest

[B.M]

What about Lonie’s end of 2018? He got contracted on the back of that. In fact you’d say his final 6 games of 2018 and first 6 of 2019 until injury were outstanding.

Not sure why he is so hated?

He isn’t one of our problems... a slow midfield that lacks class is.

[SaintPav]

What about Lonie’s end of 2018? He got contracted on the back of that. In fact you’d say his final 6 games of 2018 and first 6 of 2019 until injury were outstanding.

Not sure why he is so hated?

He isn’t one of our problems... a slow midfield that lacks class is.

Completely agree.

Some fairly ignorant, biased and misinformed comments on here about Lonie. Particularly from Bob. Bordering on trolling.

[saintbob]

What about Lonie’s end of 2018? He got contracted on the back of that. In fact you’d say his final 6 games of 2018 and first 6 of 2019 until injury were outstanding.

Not sure why he is so hated?

He isn’t one of our problems... a slow midfield that lacks class is.

Completely agree.

Some fairly ignorant, biased and misinformed comments on here about Lonie. Particularly from Bob. Bordering on trolling.

[freely]

Unfortunately, Lonie suffers from comparison with Milney. If we'd never had Milney, I reckon most would be happy with where he's at.

[barneyboyz]

Unfortunately, Lonie suffers from comparison with Milney. If we'd never had Milney, I reckon most would be happy with where he's at.

Agree, Jeez he was good.

Lonie is ok too, but there's no one doing what Milney used to do, anywhere!

[spert]

Problem is that our forward line don't kick enough goals- we got away with it in a number of games this season for wins, but otherwise it was our big downfall. It wont get us deep into finals territory as it stands. We need to keep shuffling players through that forward half until we get the ideal mix.

[damienc]

He's a poor man's Jack Lonie (a bit taller, but takes less marks) ... and only averages 9 possessions with 80% game time!
Here's how he compares with Jack Lonie ... (not very well at all).

He also turns the ball over 3.1 times on average from his measly 9 possessions - not good.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... 1=S&fid2=S

If Butler is a poor man’s Jack Lonie then he must be s***.

Lonie finished 2018 in strong form and this year he was exceptional until his injured his knee. His tackling and kicking improved out of sight. He also plays in a graveyard position. You really need to take the blinkers off, Bob.

I have not been a big fan of Lonies in previous years, but his start to the 2019 season was outstanding.
He marshalled that forward line of small forwards and I was not hugely surprised that the forward pressure and turn overs in the front half fell away after he was injured .
He did show the way and others followed.
People who are bagging Lonie should go back and watch the first 5 games of the year and watch Lonie’s influence.

Fair and reasonable comments about Lonie I reckon.

[SaintPav]

He's a poor man's Jack Lonie (a bit taller, but takes less marks) ... and only averages 9 possessions with 80% game time!
Here's how he compares with Jack Lonie ... (not very well at all).

He also turns the ball over 3.1 times on average from his measly 9 possessions - not good.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... 1=S&fid2=S

If Butler is a poor man’s Jack Lonie then he must be s***.

Lonie finished 2018 in strong form and this year he was exceptional until his injured his knee. His tackling and kicking improved out of sight. He also plays in a graveyard position. You really need to take the blinkers off, Bob.

I have not been a big fan of Lonies in previous years, but his start to the 2019 season was outstanding.
He marshalled that forward line of small forwards and I was not hugely surprised that the forward pressure and turn overs in the front half fell away after he was injured .
He did show the way and others followed.
People who are bagging Lonie should go back and watch the first 5 games of the year and watch Lonie’s influence.

Fair and reasonable comment about Lonie I reckon.

Yes, he was very very good.

[damienc]

If it's true that we are chasing Dan Butler, then I would say we have cooled on Sam Gray.

We wouldn't be chasing two small forwards. Butler was a key player in the Tiger's 2017 premiership.

He struggled to get a game this year after suffering a fairly serious ankle injury which can take a good amount of time to recover from.

Butler is a pressure forward. In other words, he's good at ripping the ball from the opposition to create a turnover situation.

He then uses his pace to his advantage.

If he can regain what he showed in 2017, then he would be a very good get for us and provide some competition for a place in our team with our other small forwards.

I think the club would like him because he was very good in a very, very good team that won a premiership.

He won't cost us much. There are one or two tigers ahead of him, in Richmond's current best 22, which is why he is seeking opportunity elsewhere.

[diddley]

If it's true that we are chasing Dan Butler, then I would say we have cooled on Sam Gray.

We wouldn't be chasing two small forwards. Butler was a key player in the Tiger's 2017 premiership.

I’m not sure we would be chasing both to get both. But I would think we would be asking the question, and if one of them goes somewhere else, then we still have one in play. They would most likely have a preference. If I had the choice, I would go Gray personally.

[ace]

Why would you take the Butler when you could have a ready Maid player instead.

[Life Long Saint]

He'd be a great get and he'd be able to drive the players to the ground!

[B.M]

Confirmed interest in Butler

Small Forwards or those who can play forward we currently have

J.Gresham Mid/Fwd
B. Long
J.Lonie
M.Parker
D.Kent
N.Hind
J.Billings Wing/Fwd
J.Sinclair Wing/Fwd

And we chase Butler and Sam Gray?

How about not chasing more C Graders, get rid of some C Graders and bring in an A Grader or 2

[SMS]

Cant believe clubs arent into butler

Butler would be a great pick up

[CURLY]

Confirmed interest in Butler

Small Forwards or those who can play forward we currently have

J.Gresham Mid/Fwd
B. Long
J.Lonie
M.Parker
D.Kent
N.Hind
J.Billings Wing/Fwd
J.Sinclair Wing/Fwd

And we chase Butler and Sam Gray?

How about not chasing more C Graders, get rid of some C Graders and bring in an A Grader or 2

Yeah I know there's plenty available out there for pick 72 and 92. Clubs are just chucking A Grade mids out.

[samoht]

Confirmed interest in Butler

Small Forwards or those who can play forward we currently have

J.Gresham Mid/Fwd
B. Long
J.Lonie
M.Parker
D.Kent
N.Hind
J.Billings Wing/Fwd
J.Sinclair Wing/Fwd

And we chase Butler and Sam Gray?

How about not chasing more C Graders, get rid of some C Graders and bring in an A Grader or 2

We continue to duplicate and quadruplicate mediocrity ... all over the ground.

We have the worst recruiters - who don't follow a plan.

I mean, if we had:
2 A grade half back flankers (one for each half back flank) instead of 8 average ones.
2 A grade midfielders instead of 6 C graders
and 1 A grade small forward instead of 6 average ones
- that's 5 A graders in total -
we'd be playing finals and it would cost us less than paying 20 average footballers and trying to squeeze them into those 4 positions.

[Legendary]

Lonie's first 5-6 weeks of 2019 were A-grade for a small forward. No coincidence that the team was playing well during that period.

Small forwards tend to do better when the side is doing better. More opportunities, higher scoring, more time in forward half, better ball use. It all makes the life of a small forward easier.

A fit Lonie in a side that is playing well is a 30-35 goal per year forward. I'm not sure Butler is that good.

To put it another way, it's very hard to see Lonie and Butler playing in the same team. If we are into Butler, I'd look at trading Lonie.

[Rocket]

Worthy late pick. You also get access to Richmond IP. Our forward pressure is not great. The 1%’s and holding a position within a system is what this guy would bring. We have small forwards in Long and Lonie but how good they are in holding ball in is questionable?? Whereas this bloke has proven that in a premiership side. Held out this year by Castagna and Rioli.

[samoht]

We don't need any more small forwards ... unless we are talking about someone of the calibre of Breust, Elliott etc..

[samoht]

.. duplicated post (much like our recruiting).

[B.M]

Long and Lonie are known as very good pressure forwards

[samoht]

Long and Lonie are known as very good pressure forwards

Parker is good with his pressure too.

I'd rather have Parker who can take a mark in the forward line - even Lonie takes more F50 marks than Butler.

The point is (that you're making too) we don't need to keep duplicating and quadruplicating with average footballers.

What is wrong with our recruiters - why can't they see that?

[saintsRrising]

If Butler does join it will be for peanuts. Worthless pick or DFA.

I believe that he is out of contract this year? Or at least is listed as that.

If not traded then I would imagine that Tiges will just delist him and he will then be a DFA.

Tiges are not going to play him in 2020.
- They now play 2 key forwards and not just they 1 as they did in Butlers glory year
- Higgins will be back in 2020, and they also have Stack wanting a spot back in the 22.