Brownlow
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 25303
- Joined: Tue 01 Feb 2005 4:25pm
- Location: Trump Tower
- Has thanked: 142 times
- Been thanked: 284 times
Re: Brownlow
Check our Freo Dokers on Facebook.
The love between Natalie & Ros is something to behold.
Ro$$ would love to coach a team where all players are 27+ and A grade or close.
Anyway, Fyfe is a legend and I’m confident he will be like Bobby and a triple Brownlow medallist
The love between Natalie & Ros is something to behold.
Ro$$ would love to coach a team where all players are 27+ and A grade or close.
Anyway, Fyfe is a legend and I’m confident he will be like Bobby and a triple Brownlow medallist
i am Melbourne Skies - sometimes Blue Skies, Grey Skies, even Partly Cloudy Skies.
- Spinner
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8502
- Joined: Sat 02 Dec 2006 3:40pm
- Location: Victoria
- Has thanked: 185 times
- Been thanked: 133 times
Re: Brownlow
saintspremiers wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:18am Check our Freo Dokers on Facebook.
The love between Natalie & Ros is something to behold.
Ro$$ would love to coach a team where all players are 27+ and A grade or close.
Anyway, Fyfe is a legend and I’m confident he will be like Bobby and a triple Brownlow medallist
How old was Fyfe when Ross got there?
Has he been 27 for the last 7 years?
- perfectionist
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9054
- Joined: Mon 30 Jul 2007 3:06pm
- Has thanked: 60 times
- Been thanked: 353 times
Re: Brownlow
12 – Seb Ross
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
Total votes - 53 (=14th overall). We finished 14th on the ladder as well.
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
Total votes - 53 (=14th overall). We finished 14th on the ladder as well.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 61
- Joined: Sun 22 Sep 2019 8:19pm
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 4 times
Re: Brownlow
The brownlow is as meaningful award as getting a gold star from your primary school teacher. The players award and premiership medallions are the two valued awards these days.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:18am Check our Freo Dokers on Facebook.
The love between Natalie & Ros is something to behold.
Ro$$ would love to coach a team where all players are 27+ and A grade or close.
Anyway, Fyfe is a legend and I’m confident he will be like Bobby and a triple Brownlow medallist
- The Fireman
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13329
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 11:54pm
- Has thanked: 680 times
- Been thanked: 1966 times
Re: Brownlow
comedy gold right therePundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:39amThe brownlow is as meaningful award as getting a gold star from your primary school teacher. The players award and premiership medallions are the two valued awards these days.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:18am Check our Freo Dokers on Facebook.
The love between Natalie & Ros is something to behold.
Ro$$ would love to coach a team where all players are 27+ and A grade or close.
Anyway, Fyfe is a legend and I’m confident he will be like Bobby and a triple Brownlow medallist
- kosifantutti
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8584
- Joined: Fri 21 Jan 2005 9:06am
- Location: Back in town
- Has thanked: 527 times
- Been thanked: 1534 times
Re: Brownlow
The encouraging thing is we had 13 players poll. That’s equal 2nd behind Hawthorn, equal with Richmond and more than Giants, Pies or Cats.perfectionist wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:31am 12 – Seb Ross
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
Total votes - 53 (=14th overall). We finished 14th on the ladder as well.
A lot of good players, not enough stars.
Macquarie Dictionary Word of the Year for 2023 "Kosi Lives"
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 61
- Joined: Sun 22 Sep 2019 8:19pm
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 4 times
Re: Brownlow
gold stars were always a laugh weren't theyThe Fireman wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:12amcomedy gold right therePundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:39amThe brownlow is as meaningful award as getting a gold star from your primary school teacher. The players award and premiership medallions are the two valued awards these days.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:18am Check our Freo Dokers on Facebook.
The love between Natalie & Ros is something to behold.
Ro$$ would love to coach a team where all players are 27+ and A grade or close.
Anyway, Fyfe is a legend and I’m confident he will be like Bobby and a triple Brownlow medallist
- The Fireman
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13329
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 11:54pm
- Has thanked: 680 times
- Been thanked: 1966 times
Re: Brownlow
lol not as funny as some of the rubbish I read on herePundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:16amgold stars were always a laugh weren't theyThe Fireman wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:12amcomedy gold right therePundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:39amThe brownlow is as meaningful award as getting a gold star from your primary school teacher. The players award and premiership medallions are the two valued awards these days.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:18am Check our Freo Dokers on Facebook.
The love between Natalie & Ros is something to behold.
Ro$$ would love to coach a team where all players are 27+ and A grade or close.
Anyway, Fyfe is a legend and I’m confident he will be like Bobby and a triple Brownlow medallist
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 61
- Joined: Sun 22 Sep 2019 8:19pm
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 4 times
Re: Brownlow
I know, you'd rather be fireman that thinks he's a rockstar than read rubbish on here aye...The Fireman wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:17amlol not as funny as some of the rubbish I read on herePundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:16amgold stars were always a laugh weren't theyThe Fireman wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:12amcomedy gold right therePundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:39amThe brownlow is as meaningful award as getting a gold star from your primary school teacher. The players award and premiership medallions are the two valued awards these days.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:18am Check our Freo Dokers on Facebook.
The love between Natalie & Ros is something to behold.
Ro$$ would love to coach a team where all players are 27+ and A grade or close.
Anyway, Fyfe is a legend and I’m confident he will be like Bobby and a triple Brownlow medallist
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23162
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9109 times
- Been thanked: 3951 times
Re: Brownlow
From afl.com
Seb Ross flew home with a wet sail, polling six of his 12 votes in rounds 19, 21 and 22, corresponding with the Saints finishing their season strongly. In contrast, Jack Billings began with a bang, polling eight in the first five rounds to sit equal-second for the Brownlow. Billings only polled three more votes the rest of the season. Emerging ruck Rowan Marshall (seven), Jade Gresham (five) and Josh Bruce (four) rounded out the top five. A total of 13 players shared the 53 votes for the Saints. Prized recruit Dan Hannebury picked up a solitary vote in his first season at his new club.
Top five
12 – Seb Ross
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
Seb Ross flew home with a wet sail, polling six of his 12 votes in rounds 19, 21 and 22, corresponding with the Saints finishing their season strongly. In contrast, Jack Billings began with a bang, polling eight in the first five rounds to sit equal-second for the Brownlow. Billings only polled three more votes the rest of the season. Emerging ruck Rowan Marshall (seven), Jade Gresham (five) and Josh Bruce (four) rounded out the top five. A total of 13 players shared the 53 votes for the Saints. Prized recruit Dan Hannebury picked up a solitary vote in his first season at his new club.
Top five
12 – Seb Ross
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23162
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9109 times
- Been thanked: 3951 times
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1347
- Joined: Sat 06 Apr 2019 10:34am
- Has thanked: 278 times
- Been thanked: 321 times
Re: Brownlow
Why is it encouraging??kosifantutti wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:15amThe encouraging thing is we had 13 players poll. That’s equal 2nd behind Hawthorn, equal with Richmond and more than Giants, Pies or Cats.perfectionist wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:31am 12 – Seb Ross
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
Total votes - 53 (=14th overall). We finished 14th on the ladder as well.
A lot of good players, not enough stars.
It's just an umpires opinion. It means f*** all.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1347
- Joined: Sat 06 Apr 2019 10:34am
- Has thanked: 278 times
- Been thanked: 321 times
Re: Brownlow
I think that says a lot about our plight.saynta wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 11:11am From afl.com
Seb Ross flew home with a wet sail, polling six of his 12 votes in rounds 19, 21 and 22, corresponding with the Saints finishing their season strongly. In contrast, Jack Billings began with a bang, polling eight in the first five rounds to sit equal-second for the Brownlow. Billings only polled three more votes the rest of the season. Emerging ruck Rowan Marshall (seven), Jade Gresham (five) and Josh Bruce (four) rounded out the top five. A total of 13 players shared the 53 votes for the Saints. Prized recruit Dan Hannebury picked up a solitary vote in his first season at his new club.
Top five
12 – Seb Ross
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
Ross wins the B&F because he's dling what Cho tells him to do. His impact is minimal and we suck.
New coach comes in, we win a few games and Ross starts impacting games. It's obvious even to umpires that he's a different player under a new coach.
It makes me even more intrigued to see how we go without Cho.
- kosifantutti
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8584
- Joined: Fri 21 Jan 2005 9:06am
- Location: Back in town
- Has thanked: 527 times
- Been thanked: 1534 times
Re: Brownlow
And Fyfe can’t play.BarryGrogan wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 11:27amWhy is it encouraging??kosifantutti wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:15amThe encouraging thing is we had 13 players poll. That’s equal 2nd behind Hawthorn, equal with Richmond and more than Giants, Pies or Cats.perfectionist wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:31am 12 – Seb Ross
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
Total votes - 53 (=14th overall). We finished 14th on the ladder as well.
A lot of good players, not enough stars.
It's just an umpires opinion. It means f*** all.
Macquarie Dictionary Word of the Year for 2023 "Kosi Lives"
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1347
- Joined: Sat 06 Apr 2019 10:34am
- Has thanked: 278 times
- Been thanked: 321 times
- Saint 58
- Club Player
- Posts: 783
- Joined: Thu 02 Nov 2006 11:10am
- Location: Anywhere the Saints are playing in Melbourne
- Has thanked: 252 times
- Been thanked: 104 times
Re: Brownlow
The Brownlow needs a complete overhaul, it's a midfielders medal - who gets most possessions with no accountability
Dangerfield gets 40 & 3 goals - 3 votes, his "opponent" gets 35 & 2 goals - 2 votes
What a load of crap
A defender can shutdown a key forward, be recognised by the media for doing an outstanding job, be credited with being a major factor in his team winning the game - the end
Even forwards can kick a bag of goals & get some votes
Grundy polled well but mainly because of his possessions
The last ruck to win - Scott Wynd 1992
The last forward to win - Tony Lockett 1987
The last defender to win - Ross Glendinning 1983
The next non-midfielder to win a Brownlow - highly unlikely
The next defender to win a Brownlow - never again
Take the job off the umpires, they have enough to do
Give it to someone else & make them consider ALL aspects of the game
Dangerfield gets 40 & 3 goals - 3 votes, his "opponent" gets 35 & 2 goals - 2 votes
What a load of crap
A defender can shutdown a key forward, be recognised by the media for doing an outstanding job, be credited with being a major factor in his team winning the game - the end
Even forwards can kick a bag of goals & get some votes
Grundy polled well but mainly because of his possessions
The last ruck to win - Scott Wynd 1992
The last forward to win - Tony Lockett 1987
The last defender to win - Ross Glendinning 1983
The next non-midfielder to win a Brownlow - highly unlikely
The next defender to win a Brownlow - never again
Take the job off the umpires, they have enough to do
Give it to someone else & make them consider ALL aspects of the game
What you do for others will define your life.
[Football isn't everything ... it's the ONLY thing]
[Football isn't everything ... it's the ONLY thing]
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 279
- Joined: Sun 05 Apr 2015 8:58pm
- Has thanked: 150 times
- Been thanked: 90 times
Re: Brownlow
Sums up where we are at.kosifantutti wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 10:15amThe encouraging thing is we had 13 players poll. That’s equal 2nd behind Hawthorn, equal with Richmond and more than Giants, Pies or Cats.perfectionist wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:31am 12 – Seb Ross
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
Total votes - 53 (=14th overall). We finished 14th on the ladder as well.
A lot of good players, not enough stars.
Would like to see Gresh having more of an influence and moving into the teens next year with some match winning performances.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 61
- Joined: Sun 22 Sep 2019 8:19pm
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 4 times
Re: Brownlow
I couldn't agree more, it is such an antiquated system for judging who is the best, you could possibly mount an argument the the award be modified to just who is the "fairest" which I think is more in line with what an ump is in a position to adjudicate. Picking out who is the best by an umpire is an award that has a conflict of interest and open to the clear bias we see every year not to mention there is the question of impartiality. About time the debate was opened up on this area of the game.Saint 58 wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 12:32pm The Brownlow needs a complete overhaul, it's a midfielders medal - who gets most possessions with no accountability
Dangerfield gets 40 & 3 goals - 3 votes, his "opponent" gets 35 & 2 goals - 2 votes
What a load of crap
A defender can shutdown a key forward, be recognised by the media for doing an outstanding job, be credited with being a major factor in his team winning the game - the end
Even forwards can kick a bag of goals & get some votes
Grundy polled well but mainly because of his possessions
The last ruck to win - Scott Wynd 1992
The last forward to win - Tony Lockett 1987
The last defender to win - Ross Glendinning 1983
The next non-midfielder to win a Brownlow - highly unlikely
The next defender to win a Brownlow - never again
Take the job off the umpires, they have enough to do
Give it to someone else & make them consider ALL aspects of the game
- The Fireman
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13329
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 11:54pm
- Has thanked: 680 times
- Been thanked: 1966 times
Re: Brownlow
The Brownlow is what it is.... some fools continually want rule changes...now the Brownlow ???
Make up another award if it makes you feel better.
and leave institutions alone.
Make up another award if it makes you feel better.
and leave institutions alone.
- Saint 58
- Club Player
- Posts: 783
- Joined: Thu 02 Nov 2006 11:10am
- Location: Anywhere the Saints are playing in Melbourne
- Has thanked: 252 times
- Been thanked: 104 times
Re: Brownlow
Who said anything about rule changes
The only change I suggested was taking it off the umpires, but OK leave that as is
I want recognition of all players, not just midfielders who rack up the most touches & have no accountability for an opponent
The only change I suggested was taking it off the umpires, but OK leave that as is
I want recognition of all players, not just midfielders who rack up the most touches & have no accountability for an opponent
What you do for others will define your life.
[Football isn't everything ... it's the ONLY thing]
[Football isn't everything ... it's the ONLY thing]
- Spinner
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8502
- Joined: Sat 02 Dec 2006 3:40pm
- Location: Victoria
- Has thanked: 185 times
- Been thanked: 133 times
Re: Brownlow
Premiership medals have always been valued, not just these days.Pundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:39amThe brownlow is as meaningful award as getting a gold star from your primary school teacher. The players award and premiership medallions are the two valued awards these days.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:18am Check our Freo Dokers on Facebook.
The love between Natalie & Ros is something to behold.
Ro$$ would love to coach a team where all players are 27+ and A grade or close.
Anyway, Fyfe is a legend and I’m confident he will be like Bobby and a triple Brownlow medallist
And the players award is the biggest load of s*** in the industry. Not a game by game quantitive/count based system and as M Blight stated the players don’t watch enough football to know who’s had the best season.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23162
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9109 times
- Been thanked: 3951 times
Re: Brownlow
From saints.com
"Full leaderboard
12 – Seb Ross
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
3 – Jack Lonie
3 – Jack Steven
2 – Luke Dunstan
2 – Tim Membrey
1 – Jarryn Geary
1 – Dan Hannebery
1 – Jack Newnes
1 – Jack Steele
"Full leaderboard
12 – Seb Ross
11 – Jack Billings
7 – Rowan Marshall
5 – Jade Gresham
4 – Josh Bruce
3 – Jack Lonie
3 – Jack Steven
2 – Luke Dunstan
2 – Tim Membrey
1 – Jarryn Geary
1 – Dan Hannebery
1 – Jack Newnes
1 – Jack Steele
- carn_sainter
- Club Player
- Posts: 1470
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 4:49pm
- Been thanked: 62 times
Re: Brownlow
It is a midfielder's award, true.
The award which I think is the most prestigious, besides your club's B & F, is the coaches' association award. However, that's pretty much always won by midfielders too, so the fact that midfielders win it all the time probably isn't ridiculous
Would be interesting to go through all the club B & F winners and see the spread in terms of position and role
The award which I think is the most prestigious, besides your club's B & F, is the coaches' association award. However, that's pretty much always won by midfielders too, so the fact that midfielders win it all the time probably isn't ridiculous
Would be interesting to go through all the club B & F winners and see the spread in terms of position and role
- Ghost Like
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6562
- Joined: Wed 19 Sep 2007 10:04pm
- Has thanked: 5786 times
- Been thanked: 1909 times
Re: Brownlow
Well said 58. I'm not sure a complete overhaul is required, leave it with the umpires and recognise it for what it is, an individual award. More often than not the best players are midfielders. That said, they may not be the most important player to a particular team. It has certainly thrown up anomalies over its history.Saint 58 wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 12:32pm The Brownlow needs a complete overhaul, it's a midfielders medal - who gets most possessions with no accountability
Dangerfield gets 40 & 3 goals - 3 votes, his "opponent" gets 35 & 2 goals - 2 votes
What a load of crap
A defender can shutdown a key forward, be recognised by the media for doing an outstanding job, be credited with being a major factor in his team winning the game - the end
Even forwards can kick a bag of goals & get some votes
Grundy polled well but mainly because of his possessions
The last ruck to win - Scott Wynd 1992
The last forward to win - Tony Lockett 1987
The last defender to win - Ross Glendinning 1983
The next non-midfielder to win a Brownlow - highly unlikely
The next defender to win a Brownlow - never again
Take the job off the umpires, they have enough to do
Give it to someone else & make them consider ALL aspects of the game
Very happy they recognised Plugger & Glendinning though.
Well done to Fyfe & Cripps, both are beasts and incredible footballers.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 61
- Joined: Sun 22 Sep 2019 8:19pm
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 4 times
Re: Brownlow
Shows how out of date Blight and you are, so the players don't spend half their week watching vids of players plus other intel docs. Sounds like you are suggesting they read the back page of the HS to find out how to beat their opponent.Spinner wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 2:23pmPremiership medals have always been valued, not just these days.Pundit wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:39amThe brownlow is as meaningful award as getting a gold star from your primary school teacher. The players award and premiership medallions are the two valued awards these days.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:18am Check our Freo Dokers on Facebook.
The love between Natalie & Ros is something to behold.
Ro$$ would love to coach a team where all players are 27+ and A grade or close.
Anyway, Fyfe is a legend and I’m confident he will be like Bobby and a triple Brownlow medallist
And the players award is the biggest load of s*** in the industry. Not a game by game quantitive/count based system and as M Blight stated the players don’t watch enough football to know who’s had the best season.