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CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Mon 23 Sep 2019 9:38am
This thread is gonna make for an interesting discussion in 11 months time if we do trade him.
Well we are also awaiting what the actual price for him is. If he a cheap in terms of trade cost back up ruck, as seems likely then I am ok with it. We had to get someone that can ruck
However the logic behind Bruce going is yet to be reveal. What we gain back, and how it is used. The trade value gained for Bruce should far exceed Ryder.
Our strategy for key forwards in 2020 if Bruce goes will be interesting. Though perhaps the trade will set us up better to gain B King. Who knows.
Once all the trading is done we will be in a position to better assess. Until them we are all guessing.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
Thanks for the post sRr, I think it is a no brainer as will cost us very little. I doubt the recruitment of Ryder and Bruce possibly leaving are linked. Both separate machinations in my view.
One AFL ready ruck on our list, thank god an exceptional one but that's it. We still need another couple in my opinion.
The Bruce thing is intriguing. When / How did it come about? When was Bruce's manager approached? I sense it was well before season's end. Whenever it gained traction, it appears that StK has been offered something so as not to emphatically discount it.
Our ruck situation was already in motion, one did not dictate the other.
A 2nd ruck becomes critical if Marshall gets injured.
To suggest we don’t need a back up ruckman on our list is ridiculous.
We will need another ruck option on our list in addition to Marshall and Ryder.
B.M wrote: ↑Mon 23 Sep 2019 7:18pm
2nd ruck? Who cares... Marshall rucks about 80% of the time... rather a good Forward, than a good ‘second ruck’
Who is GWS second ruck?
Who was Collingwoods second ruck?
Richmond played two rucks, Nankervis was rubbish.
Though in the Richmond example Nankervis is the first ruck, but on the day the second ruck Soldo was better.
Tigers are also the aberration as they are basically playing two less mobile first rucks, plus they had two true big specialist forwards in Lynch and Riewoldt.
Pies but for injury would have had Cox who is an ok rather than good key forward.
GWS...well I think this year ruckwise they were just making do. But with mids like their you can do that.
All in all, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:46am
It was an example spinner, not an experiment.
The jury has been out forever about the value of hit outs and the correlation they have with clearances.
Marshall is a capable ruckman.
and even more capable midfielder which is where the logic evolution of the game is heading, ruck contests are one of the most boring aspects of the game and it's no wonder the two ruck (aka dinosaur) system is quickly phasing out.
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:46am
It was an example spinner, not an experiment.
The jury has been out forever about the value of hit outs and the correlation they have with clearances.
Marshall is a capable ruckman.
and even more capable midfielder which is where the logic evolution of the game is heading, ruck contests are one of the most boring aspects of the game and it's no wonder the two ruck (aka dinosaur) system is quickly phasing out.
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:46am
It was an example spinner, not an experiment.
The jury has been out forever about the value of hit outs and the correlation they have with clearances.
Marshall is a capable ruckman.
and even more capable midfielder which is where the logic evolution of the game is heading, ruck contests are one of the most boring aspects of the game and it's no wonder the two ruck (aka dinosaur) system is quickly phasing out.
Richmond? West coast? Both play two rucks...
yep, we used to have ruck rovers too and the drop kick and no 50m arcs, and no two way running, and sports science and data tracking...whats your point.
Saturday's game will test out the ruck theories/argument vigorously.
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:46am
It was an example spinner, not an experiment.
The jury has been out forever about the value of hit outs and the correlation they have with clearances.
Marshall is a capable ruckman.
and even more capable midfielder which is where the logic evolution of the game is heading, ruck contests are one of the most boring aspects of the game and it's no wonder the two ruck (aka dinosaur) system is quickly phasing out.
Richmond? West coast? Both play two rucks...
yep, we used to have ruck rovers too and the drop kick and no 50m arcs, and no two way running, and sports science and data tracking...whats your point.
Saturday's game will test out the ruck theories/argument vigorously.
point is they won the last two flags. Let me know the result of your vigorous test.
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:46am
It was an example spinner, not an experiment.
The jury has been out forever about the value of hit outs and the correlation they have with clearances.
Marshall is a capable ruckman.
and even more capable midfielder which is where the logic evolution of the game is heading, ruck contests are one of the most boring aspects of the game and it's no wonder the two ruck (aka dinosaur) system is quickly phasing out.
Richmond? West coast? Both play two rucks...
yep, we used to have ruck rovers too and the drop kick and no 50m arcs, and no two way running, and sports science and data tracking...whats your point.
Saturday's game will test out the ruck theories/argument vigorously.
point is they won the last two flags. Let me know the result of your vigorous test.
B.M wrote: ↑Tue 24 Sep 2019 9:46am
It was an example spinner, not an experiment.
The jury has been out forever about the value of hit outs and the correlation they have with clearances.
Marshall is a capable ruckman.
and even more capable midfielder which is where the logic evolution of the game is heading, ruck contests are one of the most boring aspects of the game and it's no wonder the two ruck (aka dinosaur) system is quickly phasing out.
Richmond? West coast? Both play two rucks...
yep, we used to have ruck rovers too and the drop kick and no 50m arcs, and no two way running, and sports science and data tracking...whats your point.
Saturday's game will test out the ruck theories/argument vigorously.
point is they won the last two flags. Let me know the result of your vigorous test.
Did Richmond use 2 rucks in the 2017 flag?
No they used Grigg in 2017. But using two this year and playing off in GF. These teams at the top use two. Clarkson uses two. Point there are different strategies but is it isn’t fading out.
Grigg was as much a ruckman as Josh Bruce is so there is no way anyone can argue they went in with two geniune rucks. Not even close. Be like saying Marshal and Acres are two geniune rucks.
Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Sat 21 Sep 2019 10:49pm
Maybe we could lure WOW Jones out if retirement or Lazar to be Marshall’s back up?
How about it Stonecold, you come out of retirement, a five year contract, $1 million a year, what do you say !!!!!
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