David Rath
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1347
- Joined: Sat 06 Apr 2019 10:34am
- Has thanked: 278 times
- Been thanked: 321 times
David Rath
Apparently a big deal....
"In his new role, Rath will oversee St Kilda's assistant coaches, development coaches and football analysts. He will also be in charge of game plan, coach education and development, training, player skill acquisition, training analytics, game analysis and IT, leadership and player development.
Danny Sexton moves into the newly created role of head of football operations after 13 seasons in various coaching roles at the club. He will be in charge of football operations for the AFL, AFLW, VFL and VFLW operations.
The Saints have also hired Ben Robbins from North Melbourne to be the club's head of mental health and wellbeing, while former defender Sean Dempster joins the club as a part-time strength and conditioning coach.
Brendon Lade will replace new Saints senior coach Ratten as forward line and team offence coach, Adam Skrobalak will be midfield coach and Aaron Hamill will oversee the club's backline and team defence. Ben McGlynn will coach Sandringham in the VFL and Robbie Chancellor has been promoted to assistant and development coach looking after stoppages."
"In his new role, Rath will oversee St Kilda's assistant coaches, development coaches and football analysts. He will also be in charge of game plan, coach education and development, training, player skill acquisition, training analytics, game analysis and IT, leadership and player development.
Danny Sexton moves into the newly created role of head of football operations after 13 seasons in various coaching roles at the club. He will be in charge of football operations for the AFL, AFLW, VFL and VFLW operations.
The Saints have also hired Ben Robbins from North Melbourne to be the club's head of mental health and wellbeing, while former defender Sean Dempster joins the club as a part-time strength and conditioning coach.
Brendon Lade will replace new Saints senior coach Ratten as forward line and team offence coach, Adam Skrobalak will be midfield coach and Aaron Hamill will oversee the club's backline and team defence. Ben McGlynn will coach Sandringham in the VFL and Robbie Chancellor has been promoted to assistant and development coach looking after stoppages."
- saintsRrising
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 30098
- Joined: Mon 15 Mar 2004 11:07am
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 711 times
- Been thanked: 1235 times
Re: David Rath
Looks to be an excellent non "L-Plater" pick up. Ratten would know his capabilities very well.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/sai ... 52t1k.html
St Kilda have poached the AFL's top football guru David Rath to spearhead their football program, opening the door for former North Melbourne coach Brad Scott to join the league's football operations team.
Rath will become "head of football program" at the Saints and in doing so leave his role as the AFL's coaching innovation and education manager.
Prior to his time at the AFL he was Hawthorn's head of coaching services, where he implemented a ground-breaking kicking program among other lauded innovations, that made him a key influence in the club's recent premiership era.
"David is a really important appointment for the football club," Saints general manager of football Simon Lethlean said.
"We believe his knowledge, innovative thinking and strategic ability will give our football program a genuine edge moving forward.
"There are very few people in the industry with his level of experience and skill set.
"He will play a key role in shaping our football program alongside Brett Ratten and identifying areas for improvement across our coaching and football analysis team."
The exit of Rath makes it easier for the AFL to go ahead and hire former North Melbourne coach Brad Scott.
In his new role, Rath will oversee St Kilda's assistant coaches, development coaches and football analysts. He will also be in charge of game plan, coach education and development, training, player skill acquisition, training analytics, game analysis and IT, leadership and player development.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/sai ... 52t1k.html
St Kilda have poached the AFL's top football guru David Rath to spearhead their football program, opening the door for former North Melbourne coach Brad Scott to join the league's football operations team.
Rath will become "head of football program" at the Saints and in doing so leave his role as the AFL's coaching innovation and education manager.
Prior to his time at the AFL he was Hawthorn's head of coaching services, where he implemented a ground-breaking kicking program among other lauded innovations, that made him a key influence in the club's recent premiership era.
"David is a really important appointment for the football club," Saints general manager of football Simon Lethlean said.
"We believe his knowledge, innovative thinking and strategic ability will give our football program a genuine edge moving forward.
"There are very few people in the industry with his level of experience and skill set.
"He will play a key role in shaping our football program alongside Brett Ratten and identifying areas for improvement across our coaching and football analysis team."
The exit of Rath makes it easier for the AFL to go ahead and hire former North Melbourne coach Brad Scott.
In his new role, Rath will oversee St Kilda's assistant coaches, development coaches and football analysts. He will also be in charge of game plan, coach education and development, training, player skill acquisition, training analytics, game analysis and IT, leadership and player development.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
- saintkid
- Club Player
- Posts: 1804
- Joined: Tue 16 Sep 2008 12:30am
- Has thanked: 143 times
- Been thanked: 312 times
Re: David Rath
Sure was part of the afl bullsh.t jobs for the boys which started off with the appointment of McLachlan.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12099
- Joined: Sun 11 Sep 2011 2:26pm
- Has thanked: 3705 times
- Been thanked: 2579 times
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6610
- Joined: Sat 11 Jun 2011 4:52pm
- Location: Here
- Has thanked: 1338 times
- Been thanked: 467 times
Re: David Rath
Is that all? Easy Peasy!BarryGrogan wrote: ↑Thu 19 Sep 2019 6:48pm "In his new role, Rath will oversee St Kilda's assistant coaches, development coaches and football analysts. He will also be in charge of game plan, coach education and development, training, player skill acquisition, training analytics, game analysis and IT, leadership and player development.
As ex-president Peter Summers said:
“If we are going to be a contender, we may as well plan to win the bloody thing.”
St Kilda - At least we have a Crest!
“If we are going to be a contender, we may as well plan to win the bloody thing.”
St Kilda - At least we have a Crest!
- Wayne42
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4911
- Joined: Mon 24 Jun 2013 10:27pm
- Has thanked: 619 times
- Been thanked: 558 times
Re: David Rath
If Rath implements a kicking program at the Saints, can we flick Dixon.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Thu 19 Sep 2019 7:31pm
Prior to his time at the AFL he was Hawthorn's head of coaching services, where he implemented a ground-breaking kicking program among other lauded innovations, that made him a key influence in the club's recent premiership era.
The Saints are under review, will it make any difference to the underachievers ?
- BackFromUSA
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4642
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 12:38am
- Has thanked: 51 times
- Been thanked: 508 times
Re: David Rath
Seek ... and ye shall find. A fantastic appointment. Off field recruiting is top notch under the new Pres.
AwayInUSA no longer ... have based myself back in Melbourne for a decade of Saintsational Success (with regular trips back to the USA)
"Saintsational Player Sponsor 2007 - 2018"
"Saintsational Player Sponsor 2007 - 2018"
- BackFromUSA
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4642
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 12:38am
- Has thanked: 51 times
- Been thanked: 508 times
Re: David Rath
Field kicking is different to goal kicking (just FYI)Wayne42 wrote: ↑Thu 19 Sep 2019 11:46pmIf Rath implements a kicking program at the Saints, can we flick Dixon.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Thu 19 Sep 2019 7:31pm
Prior to his time at the AFL he was Hawthorn's head of coaching services, where he implemented a ground-breaking kicking program among other lauded innovations, that made him a key influence in the club's recent premiership era.
AwayInUSA no longer ... have based myself back in Melbourne for a decade of Saintsational Success (with regular trips back to the USA)
"Saintsational Player Sponsor 2007 - 2018"
"Saintsational Player Sponsor 2007 - 2018"
- Wayne42
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4911
- Joined: Mon 24 Jun 2013 10:27pm
- Has thanked: 619 times
- Been thanked: 558 times
Re: David Rath
Doesn't mean the Rath method won't work for set shots, the Dixon method has a poor yield so it wouldn't take much to beat it.BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Thu 19 Sep 2019 11:50pmField kicking is different to goal kicking (just FYI)Wayne42 wrote: ↑Thu 19 Sep 2019 11:46pmIf Rath implements a kicking program at the Saints, can we flick Dixon.saintsRrising wrote: ↑Thu 19 Sep 2019 7:31pm
Prior to his time at the AFL he was Hawthorn's head of coaching services, where he implemented a ground-breaking kicking program among other lauded innovations, that made him a key influence in the club's recent premiership era.
The Saints are under review, will it make any difference to the underachievers ?
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 610
- Joined: Mon 11 Sep 2017 5:32pm
- Has thanked: 267 times
- Been thanked: 177 times
Re: David Rath
Healthy dose of scepticism whenever I see Lethlean quoted on something being good for the club.... but then dig deeper...... and one of his mates magically benefits from it - oooold B.Scott.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 471
- Joined: Sun 10 Aug 2008 7:42pm
- Has thanked: 76 times
- Been thanked: 108 times
Re: David Rath
This is a great read from the Hun in 2012...
Hawthorn's secret weapon - a mad scientist in shorts - pushes the boundaries
Jay Clark, HeraldSun
September 20, 2012 10:00pm
Subscriber only
Ads by Kiosked
HE will walk around the MCG boundary line tomorrow night, almost unrecognisable to even the most ardent Hawthorn fan.
But in the context of the Hawks' phenomenal field kicking, there may be no more important figure than David Rath.
The man this week affectionately dubbed "a mad scientist in running shorts" has had the club under his biomechanical spell since his appointment to Alastair Clarkson's original coaching panel in 2005.
Almost in secret, the Hawks' high-performance coach has analysed, and largely perfected the players' techniques, sometimes at the painstaking rate of 200 frames a second.
Using a specially designed football simulator in the bowels of Waverley, players would kick into a soft screen, showing recordings of real-game situations.
"It was like one of those indoor golf simulators where you look up and the screen is showing the first fairway at Augusta," a source said.
"Instead, they would be kicking out from full-back and you'd see 30 blokes from both teams running all over the place. The player would kick into the field and be asked why they picked that target and what they saw."
Captured on film, each movement could later be pored over, helping mould the Hawks' legion of left footers, such as Matthew Suckling, Grant Birchall and Luke Hodge into what one analyst described this week as "probably the most lethal kicking side the game has ever seen".
Midfielder Brad Sewell and key forward Jarryd Roughead were other project players.
"For all his strengths," an insider said. "Brad was a poor kick when he came into the AFL.
"But Rathy helped him become an acceptable kick at AFL level."
As uncompromising as his sides have been around the hard ball, Clarkson identified immediately when he took over Hawthorn that kicking efficiency was vital to premiership success.
In the past 13 years, nine of the flag-winners had a kicking efficiency ranked in the top four. In 2004, Hawthorn's was ranked last.
But in four years under Rath and Co, was top of the AFL.
Remarkably, Hawthorn has maintained the No.1 position in three of the past five campaigns.
"Early on we were good at getting the ball. We just kept giving it back," Hawthorn legend Shane Crawford recalled.
"But when Clarko came in we looked at a lot of video analysing how to fix things.
"Whether it was through your core, or ball drop or over-balancing, those little things obviously work.
"Hawthorn has gone from a side which turned the footy over a lot to a side quite amazing the way it uses the footy and dissects the opposition."
The Hawks declined the Herald Sun's requests to speak to Rath this week.
After eight years at the Australian Institute of Sport, Rath joined the Hawks as one of four assistant coaches.
Gradually, his role began to span into game analysis. With Clarkson, the biomechanics guru is understood to have played a key role developing Clarko's Cluster - the rolling defensive grid that was a cornerstone in the 2008 premiership.
"He is a very lateral thinker," former skipper Richie Vandenberg said.
"He would go over with Clarko to the UK to the Bolton soccer club and that's where the whole press came from.
"It was extraordinary you could pull that from another sport, implement into our game and see where it is now."
Crawford said: "He's Clarko's right-hand man. The way they look at the game and attack certain things, because he was heavily involved in the way Hawthorn zoned in 2008."
Luke Hodge's sweeping defensive role that year was partly inspired by Rath's study of 1960 and '70s German soccer legend Franz Beckenbauer.
"He looked at other sports so closely," someone close to Rath said.
The short, accurate passing in lacrosse and the repeat contests in rugby union were also examined.
"He was talking about rolling mauls, like what you see in rugby union, two years before anyone else was in the AFL," a colleague said.
His bond with Clarkson is said to be incredibly close.
"He has a good ability to challenge Clarko and to be able to challenge him constantly and still maintain a good relationship," Vandenberg said.
More recently, the low-profile specialist has invested heavily in computer game-tracking and analytics, resulting in some "outstanding" work around the game's future direction.
But, as familiar as the Hawks' masked man is with the kicking analysis technology, the beauty of Rath's teaching to the players was its simplicity, an observer said.
"He was just very meticulous in the degrees of improvement in his kicking analysis with the guys," he said.
"He wasn't trying to re-invent the wheel. It might just be a 1cm or 2cm change in your elbow position or something like that.
"A lot of the time he was just stating the obvious and repeated behaviours became habitual."
Hawthorn's secret weapon - a mad scientist in shorts - pushes the boundaries
Jay Clark, HeraldSun
September 20, 2012 10:00pm
Subscriber only
Ads by Kiosked
HE will walk around the MCG boundary line tomorrow night, almost unrecognisable to even the most ardent Hawthorn fan.
But in the context of the Hawks' phenomenal field kicking, there may be no more important figure than David Rath.
The man this week affectionately dubbed "a mad scientist in running shorts" has had the club under his biomechanical spell since his appointment to Alastair Clarkson's original coaching panel in 2005.
Almost in secret, the Hawks' high-performance coach has analysed, and largely perfected the players' techniques, sometimes at the painstaking rate of 200 frames a second.
Using a specially designed football simulator in the bowels of Waverley, players would kick into a soft screen, showing recordings of real-game situations.
"It was like one of those indoor golf simulators where you look up and the screen is showing the first fairway at Augusta," a source said.
"Instead, they would be kicking out from full-back and you'd see 30 blokes from both teams running all over the place. The player would kick into the field and be asked why they picked that target and what they saw."
Captured on film, each movement could later be pored over, helping mould the Hawks' legion of left footers, such as Matthew Suckling, Grant Birchall and Luke Hodge into what one analyst described this week as "probably the most lethal kicking side the game has ever seen".
Midfielder Brad Sewell and key forward Jarryd Roughead were other project players.
"For all his strengths," an insider said. "Brad was a poor kick when he came into the AFL.
"But Rathy helped him become an acceptable kick at AFL level."
As uncompromising as his sides have been around the hard ball, Clarkson identified immediately when he took over Hawthorn that kicking efficiency was vital to premiership success.
In the past 13 years, nine of the flag-winners had a kicking efficiency ranked in the top four. In 2004, Hawthorn's was ranked last.
But in four years under Rath and Co, was top of the AFL.
Remarkably, Hawthorn has maintained the No.1 position in three of the past five campaigns.
"Early on we were good at getting the ball. We just kept giving it back," Hawthorn legend Shane Crawford recalled.
"But when Clarko came in we looked at a lot of video analysing how to fix things.
"Whether it was through your core, or ball drop or over-balancing, those little things obviously work.
"Hawthorn has gone from a side which turned the footy over a lot to a side quite amazing the way it uses the footy and dissects the opposition."
The Hawks declined the Herald Sun's requests to speak to Rath this week.
After eight years at the Australian Institute of Sport, Rath joined the Hawks as one of four assistant coaches.
Gradually, his role began to span into game analysis. With Clarkson, the biomechanics guru is understood to have played a key role developing Clarko's Cluster - the rolling defensive grid that was a cornerstone in the 2008 premiership.
"He is a very lateral thinker," former skipper Richie Vandenberg said.
"He would go over with Clarko to the UK to the Bolton soccer club and that's where the whole press came from.
"It was extraordinary you could pull that from another sport, implement into our game and see where it is now."
Crawford said: "He's Clarko's right-hand man. The way they look at the game and attack certain things, because he was heavily involved in the way Hawthorn zoned in 2008."
Luke Hodge's sweeping defensive role that year was partly inspired by Rath's study of 1960 and '70s German soccer legend Franz Beckenbauer.
"He looked at other sports so closely," someone close to Rath said.
The short, accurate passing in lacrosse and the repeat contests in rugby union were also examined.
"He was talking about rolling mauls, like what you see in rugby union, two years before anyone else was in the AFL," a colleague said.
His bond with Clarkson is said to be incredibly close.
"He has a good ability to challenge Clarko and to be able to challenge him constantly and still maintain a good relationship," Vandenberg said.
More recently, the low-profile specialist has invested heavily in computer game-tracking and analytics, resulting in some "outstanding" work around the game's future direction.
But, as familiar as the Hawks' masked man is with the kicking analysis technology, the beauty of Rath's teaching to the players was its simplicity, an observer said.
"He was just very meticulous in the degrees of improvement in his kicking analysis with the guys," he said.
"He wasn't trying to re-invent the wheel. It might just be a 1cm or 2cm change in your elbow position or something like that.
"A lot of the time he was just stating the obvious and repeated behaviours became habitual."
Look again it's the Flash!!
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1351
- Joined: Sat 06 Oct 2007 2:42pm
- Has thanked: 240 times
- Been thanked: 382 times
Re: David Rath
Great get. Ratts obviously knows he was a big part of Hawthorns success and has made it a priority to get him to the club. I remember reading an article about how he was instrumental in upskilling the Hawks kicking game. Desperately needed. Fantastic Saints. Keep the good news coming.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 471
- Joined: Sun 10 Aug 2008 7:42pm
- Has thanked: 76 times
- Been thanked: 108 times
- magnifisaint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8186
- Joined: Sun 02 May 2004 2:52am
- Has thanked: 231 times
- Been thanked: 629 times
Re: David Rath
Always a conspiracy theory!
In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in, they're eating the cats. They’re eating – they are eating the pets of the people that live there.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1347
- Joined: Sat 06 Apr 2019 10:34am
- Has thanked: 278 times
- Been thanked: 321 times
Re: David Rath
This could be the making of Jade Gresham.The Linton Street Flash wrote: ↑Fri 20 Sep 2019 10:47am
"He was just very meticulous in the degrees of improvement in his kicking analysis with the guys," he said.
"He wasn't trying to re-invent the wheel. It might just be a 1cm or 2cm change in your elbow position or something like that.
"A lot of the time he was just stating the obvious and repeated behaviours became habitual."
He has such obvious flaws with his kicking action, that for whatever reason have not been addressed.
Re: David Rath
So, Jamie Cox gone?
" I am a loyal person and at the end of my career it will be great to look back and know I am a St Kilda person for life. That was something that has heavily influenced my decision.â€
- barneyboyz
- Club Player
- Posts: 1133
- Joined: Thu 08 Mar 2007 10:13pm
- Has thanked: 177 times
- Been thanked: 123 times
Re: David Rath
I'll tell you one reason why. When kids are at junior clubs, the coaches might have many many kids to babysit. They don't necessarily get much time to help improve any kid with deficiencies, even if they knew how? (there's many thoughts on this alone).BarryGrogan wrote: ↑Fri 20 Sep 2019 1:20pmThis could be the making of Jade Gresham.The Linton Street Flash wrote: ↑Fri 20 Sep 2019 10:47am
"He was just very meticulous in the degrees of improvement in his kicking analysis with the guys," he said.
"He wasn't trying to re-invent the wheel. It might just be a 1cm or 2cm change in your elbow position or something like that.
"A lot of the time he was just stating the obvious and repeated behaviours became habitual."
He has such obvious flaws with his kicking action, that for whatever reason have not been addressed.
You'll find that at say, any average U/12 - 15 side, there will be kids that have it on a string i.e. just natural, and you'll have kids that are uncoordinated.
All of a sudden you get a kid that was uncoordinated at 15 can now run rings around his mates at 17, but, due to the fact his coaches haven't been able to teach him or have the time for him, he cannot kick well. He might be reasonably effective aka Seb Ross, but not elite like Brad Hill
Also, with Gresh at least, I reckon he was such a great goal sneak in juniors, he was never far from goals OR he played midfield, just not under anywhere near the pressure he finds himself in AFL.
St. Kilda Football Club. Going strong, since 1960
- Linton Lodger
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2467
- Joined: Mon 18 Aug 2014 2:07pm
- Has thanked: 86 times
- Been thanked: 256 times
Re: David Rath
A friend of mine (Geelong supporter) who is connected to AFL people, including Rath, contacted me today saying we've pulled off a major coup.
Claims that Rath was the gameplan genius behind Clarkson.
Claims that Rath was the gameplan genius behind Clarkson.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10598
- Joined: Tue 14 Jun 2005 7:04pm
- Location: North
- Has thanked: 1011 times
- Been thanked: 1055 times
Re: David Rath
I wonder if appointing Ratts is in any way connected to Rath coming on board. Ratten is appointed, then a couple of weeks later Rath. And Roughy just before Ratts. A core of Hawthorn people from when they were top dog. I like it.Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Fri 20 Sep 2019 4:49pm A friend of mine (Geelong supporter) who is connected to AFL people, including Rath, contacted me today saying we've pulled off a major coup.
Claims that Rath was the gameplan genius behind Clarkson.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7394
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 9:31am
- Has thanked: 12 times
- Been thanked: 156 times
Re: David Rath
that one has been used though.............Linton Lodger wrote: ↑Fri 20 Sep 2019 4:49pm A friend of mine (Geelong supporter) who is connected to AFL people, including Rath, contacted me today saying we've pulled off a major coup.
Claims that Rath was the gameplan genius behind Clarkson.
we need to appoint the genius with the next one
does he have another
saint4life