ROBERT HARVEY

[CQ SAINT]

Banger for assistant coach

last place he would want to be an assistant at..............this point in time......

Of course, but thinks he could be head coach? Is that ego, hard feelings, or lack of faith. Offer him the job anyway. Let's test his humility, loyalty and versatility. Might even keep him in the game longer.

[Scollop]

one coach in afl history has won a flag after being sacked without delivering a flag at his first club. two other coaches have won a flag at their second club, one already had a flag under his belt, the other left his first club after leading them to a number of grand finals. malthouse, matthews and blight are the names. big names. two of them also absolute champion players like harvey. all of them had to move interstate to do so - a complete change of environment. none of them served caretaker roles under the prior coach. ratts has twice had this role.
every other premiership coach since the competition turned national has won at his first gig after being assistant elsewhere.
ratten has the odds firmly stacked against him. our club has gone the easy path. but the path to the grail is not easy. it is a path of rebirth, not more of the same.

Ratten's style might be the best suit for the current times. He has to deal with millenials and the gen Y age group

History is fluid and we live in a changing world as far as coaches are concerned. Have a look at what has happened to Ross Lyon because he lacks connection with some of his players.

[damienc]

Hes the Ratten Man

It would be good to get him back at the club in some capacity.

[Toy Saint]

My apologies to Robert Harvey. You are a champion of St Kilda and you have earned the opportunity to coach our club. Instead the club has appointed an inferior player with a mediocre coaching record because they lacked the courage to make a brave decision.

This was the right time, and we have missed the opportunity. This is a great loss for Robert Harvey personally and for the future and culture of our club.

[chook23]

My apologies to Robert Harvey. You are a champion of St Kilda and you have earned the opportunity to coach our club. Instead the club has appointed an inferior player with a mediocre coaching record because they lacked the courage to make a brave decision.

This was the right time, and we have missed the opportunity. This is a great loss for Robert Harvey personally and for the future and culture of our club.

Spot on

[st.byron]

My apologies to Robert Harvey. You are a champion of St Kilda and you have earned the opportunity to coach our club. Instead the club has appointed an inferior player with a mediocre coaching record because they lacked the courage to make a brave decision.

This was the right time, and we have missed the opportunity. This is a great loss for Robert Harvey personally and for the future and culture of our club.

All due respect to Harves, being a great club man and club champion and legend means snap when it comes to choosing a senior coach. It’s sentimental to think that might be a basis for decision making.
No one can possibly know what was presented in the interviews or anywhere in the selection process. To say it’s a great loss for the club has no basis other than we all love Harves and want him to do well. Being a Saints legend doesn’t add any weight whatsoever to the decision to recruit him as coach or not.

[satchmo]

My apologies to Robert Harvey. You are a champion of St Kilda and you have earned the opportunity to coach our club. Instead the club has appointed an inferior player with a mediocre coaching record because they lacked the courage to make a brave decision.

This was the right time, and we have missed the opportunity. This is a great loss for Robert Harvey personally and for the future and culture of our club.

All due respect to Harves, being a great club man and club champion and legend means snap when it comes to choosing a senior coach. It’s sentimental to think that might be a basis for decision making.
No one can possibly know what was presented in the interviews or anywhere in the selection process. To say it’s a great loss for the club has no basis other than we all love Harves and want him to do well. Being a Saints legend doesn’t add any weight whatsoever to the decision to recruit him as coach or not.

Bingo.

[barks4eva]

My apologies to Robert Harvey. You are a champion of St Kilda and you have earned the opportunity to coach our club. Instead the club has appointed an inferior player with a mediocre coaching record because they lacked the courage to make a brave decision.

This was the right time, and we have missed the opportunity. This is a great loss for Robert Harvey personally and for the future and culture of our club.

PRECISELY

AGREE 100%

[barks4eva]

My apologies to Robert Harvey. You are a champion of St Kilda and you have earned the opportunity to coach our club. Instead the club has appointed an inferior player with a mediocre coaching record because they lacked the courage to make a brave decision.

This was the right time, and we have missed the opportunity. This is a great loss for Robert Harvey personally and for the future and culture of our club.

All due respect to Harves, being a great club man and club champion and legend means snap when it comes to choosing a senior coach. It’s sentimental to think that might be a basis for decision making.
No one can possibly know what was presented in the interviews or anywhere in the selection process. To say it’s a great loss for the club has no basis other than we all love Harves and want him to do well. Being a Saints legend doesn’t add any weight whatsoever to the decision to recruit him as coach or not.

Bingo.

Satchmo, even you have to admit your track record isn't too flash.

You were calling out bingo on Archie Fraser's Footy First's Frankston fiasco that ended up at Seaford.

Dom Sheed misses that goal from the boundary line in last years Grand Final and Collingwood hang on, Robert Harvey would have been the midfield coach in last year's premiership team.
AND then no doubt he would have received more kudos.
Small margins and Robert Harvey's role should not be diminished as such.

Geelong were dismantled tactically last night and I have no doubt Robert Harvey played a significant role in that.

This perception that he does not have what it takes to be a senior coach is absolute bollocks.

Why then has he only ever been interviewed by St.kilda and been rejected twice, you ask?

Because most people are muppets and follow the herd.

[Joffa Burns]

Hero worshipping at its finest and most cringeworthy.

Harvey was a universally admired champion of not only the Saints but the AFL.

I could write accolades describing him as a player for the next half hour that would not do him justice.

One of our 5 best all time players and a true great of the game.

But fact is none of us on this forum have any clue at all as to whether Harves would be the next Alister Clarkson or the next Mark Neeld.

Because he was a champion player does not mean he’ll be a champion coach.

This is just fantasy and romance that a favorite son will return and lead us to a place no coach has been able to do in the last 53 years.

Harves has not been involved in a premiership as a player or assistant coach and is not touted as a senior coach in the making in AFL circles or media. He has not coached his own team and is a total unknown quantity.

Being a champion with a freakish training and work rate does not make you a great senior coach.

[barks4eva]

Hero worshipping at its finest and most cringeworthy.

What absolute garbage and small mindedness.

Very sheep like perception by some in their disregard of those who wanted Robert Harvey and echoed by many on here.

This thought pattern and assessment is sadly lacking in perspicacity and perspicuity.

[st.byron]

Barks, calling people sheep because they disagree with you doesn’t make your argument any stronger. Neither does a nice bit of alliterative wordsmithing. Seems to me like your argument is pretty much based around the emotion of the return of a favourite son. Harves is no more or less qualified than many other assistants who have been in the system for a while.
Will Ratten turn out to be a winner for us? No-one knows. Would Harves? No-one knows.

Harves has served an apprenticeship and may get a senior gig at some point. Until then and he’s tested as a senior coach, your hypothesis that “he’s the man” is just hypothesis. Did the committee make the right choice? Time will tell. But emotive hyperbole based around Harves’ history with our club is meaningless when it comes to choosing a coach - as it should be.

[barks4eva]

Barks, calling people sheep because they disagree with you doesn’t make your argument any stronger. Neither does a nice bit of alliterative wordsmithing. Seems to me like your argument is pretty much based around the emotion of the return of a favourite son. Harves is no more or less qualified than many other assistants who have been in the system for a while.
Will Ratten turn out to be a winner for us? No-one knows. Would Harves? No-one knows.

Harves has served an apprenticeship and may get a senior gig at some point. Until then and he’s tested as a senior coach, your hypothesis that “he’s the man” is just hypothesis. Did the committee make the right choice? Time will tell. But emotive hyperbole based around Harves’ history with our club is meaningless when it comes to choosing a coach - as it should be.

I wrote "Very sheep like perception" so your first line is inaccurate for starters.

My "argument" is based around many things.

The emotion of a returning favourite son is one factor of MANY.

Most on here seem to think it's all wholly and solely based around hero worshipping and some messiah complex.

I find this dismissiveness to be very cringeworthy!

[SAINT-LEE]

I am not against Harvs, he is a legend. He has as huge heart, passion and vision.

But if he was a senior coach why has he not been selected by the many clubs needing a senior coach every year? 10 yrs an assitant, no offers. Comments seem to reflect our board are the only idiots nor seeing his potential.

Why no offers? Bad luck maybe? Timing? Maybe he hasn't shown interest in clubs he believed were not a good fit? I sure hope he gets a gig somewhere somehow.

I do think Ratts as Director and Harvs as coach could have worked.

[The Fireman]

Hero worshipping at its finest and most cringeworthy.

What absolute garbage and small mindedness.

Very sheep like perception by some in their disregard of those who wanted Robert Harvey and echoed by many on here.

This thought pattern and assessment is sadly lacking in perspicacity and perspicuity.

must look that up some time
oh..and.....baaaah baaaah

[satchmo]

My apologies to Robert Harvey. You are a champion of St Kilda and you have earned the opportunity to coach our club. Instead the club has appointed an inferior player with a mediocre coaching record because they lacked the courage to make a brave decision.

This was the right time, and we have missed the opportunity. This is a great loss for Robert Harvey personally and for the future and culture of our club.

All due respect to Harves, being a great club man and club champion and legend means snap when it comes to choosing a senior coach. It’s sentimental to think that might be a basis for decision making.
No one can possibly know what was presented in the interviews or anywhere in the selection process. To say it’s a great loss for the club has no basis other than we all love Harves and want him to do well. Being a Saints legend doesn’t add any weight whatsoever to the decision to recruit him as coach or not.

Bingo.

Satchmo, even you have to admit your track record isn't too flash.

You were calling out bingo on Archie Fraser's Footy First's Frankston fiasco that ended up at Seaford.

Dom Sheed misses that goal from the boundary line in last years Grand Final and Collingwood hang on, Robert Harvey would have been the midfield coach in last year's premiership team.
AND then no doubt he would have received more kudos.
Small margins and Robert Harvey's role should not be diminished as such.

Geelong were dismantled tactically last night and I have no doubt Robert Harvey played a significant role in that.

This perception that he does not have what it takes to be a senior coach is absolute bollocks.

Why then has he only ever been interviewed by St.kilda and been rejected twice, you ask?

Because most people are muppets and follow the herd.

My track record is fine. I believe that Frankston could have been a great move, and said so at the time. Seaford was obviously a disaster. We will never know about Frankston.

Dom Sheed didn't miss that goal.
Robert Harvey is midfield coach of a club who's senior coach is rated by that club as a far better midfielder. Do you think that Nathan Buckley has no input into colonwoods midfield?
Robert Harvey is not a senior coach. Fact.

[satchmo]

Hero worshipping at its finest and most cringeworthy.

Harvey was a universally admired champion of not only the Saints but the AFL.

I could write accolades describing him as a player for the next half hour that would not do him justice.

One of our 5 best all time players and a true great of the game.

But fact is none of us on this forum have any clue at all as to whether Harves would be the next Alister Clarkson or the next Mark Neeld.

Because he was a champion player does not mean he’ll be a champion coach.

This is just fantasy and romance that a favorite son will return and lead us to a place no coach has been able to do in the last 53 years.

Harves has not been involved in a premiership as a player or assistant coach and is not touted as a senior coach in the making in AFL circles or media. He has not coached his own team and is a total unknown quantity.

Being a champion with a freakish training and work rate does not make you a great senior coach.

Bingo!

[freely]

This is a ridiculous conversation - compare the performance of Collingwood's midfield with the performance of our forwards over the first 2/3 of the season. Which coach would you rather?

[satchmo]

This is a ridiculous conversation - compare the performance of Collingwood's midfield with the performance of our forwards over the first 2/3 of the season. Which coach would you rather?

Easy, Brett Ratten.
Unless Robert Harvey is responsible for colonwoods recruiting?

[freely]

This is a ridiculous conversation - compare the performance of Collingwood's midfield with the performance of our forwards over the first 2/3 of the season. Which coach would you rather?

Easy, Brett Ratten.
Unless Robert Harvey is responsible for colonwoods recruiting?

OK - so now we're back to this pretence that coaching doesn't matter, it all depends on the cattle. Shall we ask Ross Lyon about that? Or Leon Cameron?

[satchmo]

This is a ridiculous conversation - compare the performance of Collingwood's midfield with the performance of our forwards over the first 2/3 of the season. Which coach would you rather?

Easy, Brett Ratten.
Unless Robert Harvey is responsible for colonwoods recruiting?

OK - so now we're back to this pretence that coaching doesn't matter, it all depends on the cattle. Shall we ask Ross Lyon about that? Or Leon Cameron?

Well if you really want to know, ask Ron Barrassi.

[oldie60]

Did Kevin Bartlett, Tim Watson, Michael Voss, Carl Ditterich, Ross Smith, Darryl Baldock, Peter Knights, Wayne Schimmelbusch, Francis Bourke club legends in their own right not to mention many others, make good coaches. This has become a Robert Harvey Bro-mance. Its like any job some people are great at getting things done in a certain way and others may not be as great. So we need to employ Robert Harvey because he was a club legend ? Doesn't matter who the club appoints every supporter on this site will find reason to bag the next victim when he picks a certain player or loses. The wheel keeps turning.

[The Fireman]

that's a lot of Bingos satch.. how many meat trays have you won ?

[satchmo]

that's a lot of Bingos satch.. how many meat trays have you won ?

Not sure that 'two' constitutes "a lot", but if I win any meat trays I will donate them to the Robert Harvey Fan Club (of which we are all members) and hopefully they will be passed on to those in need.

[freely]

Did Kevin Bartlett, Tim Watson, Michael Voss, Carl Ditterich, Ross Smith, Darryl Baldock, Peter Knights, Wayne Schimmelbusch, Francis Bourke club legends in their own right not to mention many others, make good coaches. This has become a Robert Harvey Bro-mance. Its like any job some people are great at getting things done in a certain way and others may not be as great. So we need to employ Robert Harvey because he was a club legend ? Doesn't matter who the club appoints every supporter on this site will find reason to bag the next victim when he picks a certain player or loses. The wheel keeps turning.

You're failing to take into account the fact that we already know that Rob Harvey is a good assistant coach. That's my point. We already know that Brett Ratten is not a very good assistant coach and an average senior coach. This has nothing to do with big love for Harvey. I was just comparing the pair.