ROBERT HARVEY

[chook23]

I truly hope and pray Robert Harvey is announced as St.kilda's new senior coach.

I see him as being St.kilda's Jock McHale for want of a better analogy.
Robert Harvey is more thorough in preparation than anyone in the known universe bar none.
With the right assistants around him and Lenny Hayes for starters, I have zero doubt this would be the best step forward at this point in time for this football club.

Robert Harvey has been an assistant for ten years plus and has already been rejected once when then viewed as too inexperienced I imagine.
To knock him back again does not sit right with me.
After all the sacrifices and energy he has given to this football club during his playing career, he deserves the opportunity and the trust to be given the opportunity to lead this club from the front.

I don't buy this absolute crap that he is somehow incapable of being a good senior coach because of ill conceived nonsense about him not being some slick media performer or a snake oil salesmen like the Scott brothers for example.

I will be VERY disappointed if Robert Harvey gets knocked back a second time after having done a ten year apprenticeship.

In fact I'll be extremely pissed off.

I fully expect Brett Ratten to be appointed senior coach because this football club is second to none when it comes to goofball stupidity.

Hoping and praying for Robert Harvey to be announced as the new senior coach.

I hope Banger is appointed as well. I really do but I get the feeling it's Ratts.

Banger came very close. Had three interviews

Pissed off with decision

family and friends (saints supporters all pissed off)

[B.M]

Every premiership coach except Malthouse on the last 15 years learnt on the job

[barks4eva]

I truly hope and pray Robert Harvey is announced as St.kilda's new senior coach.

I see him as being St.kilda's Jock McHale for want of a better analogy.
Robert Harvey is more thorough in preparation than anyone in the known universe bar none.
With the right assistants around him and Lenny Hayes for starters, I have zero doubt this would be the best step forward at this point in time for this football club.

Robert Harvey has been an assistant for ten years plus and has already been rejected once when then viewed as too inexperienced I imagine.
To knock him back again does not sit right with me.
After all the sacrifices and energy he has given to this football club during his playing career, he deserves the opportunity and the trust to be given the opportunity to lead this club from the front.

I don't buy this absolute crap that he is somehow incapable of being a good senior coach because of ill conceived nonsense about him not being some slick media performer or a snake oil salesmen like the Scott brothers for example.

I will be VERY disappointed if Robert Harvey gets knocked back a second time after having done a ten year apprenticeship.

In fact I'll be extremely pissed off.

I fully expect Brett Ratten to be appointed senior coach because this football club is second to none when it comes to goofball stupidity.

Hoping and praying for Robert Harvey to be announced as the new senior coach.

I hope Banger is appointed as well. I really do but I get the feeling it's Ratts.

Banger came very close. Had three interviews

Pissed off with decision

family and friends (saints supporters all pissed off)

Extremely pissed off.

Small minded clowns.

No vision, no clue.

Why the F were Matt Finnis and Simon Lethlean on the selection committee to begin with ?

In what universe are either of them qualified to select an AFL coach ?

How did Simon Lethlean come to land at St.kilda in the first place ?

FAIR DINKUM

MUPPETS

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St Kilda and the Messiah syndrome

Hence one (1) Premiership, that way back in 1966

The person who will be elevated to Messiah status will be the Coach who delivers a second premiership to St Kilda

[B.M]

We have 1 premiership due to poor decision making.

[chook23]

St Kilda and the Messiah syndrome

Hence one (1) Premiership, that way back in 1966

The person who will be elevated to Messiah status will be the Coach who delivers a second premiership to St Kilda

my disappointment nothing to do with messiah syndrome crap...

[barks4eva]

Every premiership coach except Malthouse on the last 15 years learnt on the job

Every premiership coach including Malthouse in the last 15 years has learnt on the job.

Always learning regardless to tenure and even in the example of Malthouse he learnt how to implement Ross Lyon's game plan while learning on the job even though he narcissistically tried to claim it as his own which is total BS.

You do make a very good point though

[barks4eva]

St Kilda and the Messiah syndrome

Hence one (1) Premiership, that way back in 1966

The person who will be elevated to Messiah status will be the Coach who delivers a second premiership to St Kilda

Small minded garbage.

Absolutely nothing to do with Messiah status.

Why the club has been shyte for almost it's entire history is because it has been administered by absolute small minded goofballs with no vision.

And so it continues, same old same old.

[evertonfc]

Absolutely adore Harvey as a player - an all-time favourite and a club legend - but if he's such a good coach, why is he never linked to other jobs?

[SaintPav]

I truly hope and pray Robert Harvey is announced as St.kilda's new senior coach.

I see him as being St.kilda's Jock McHale for want of a better analogy.
Robert Harvey is more thorough in preparation than anyone in the known universe bar none.
With the right assistants around him and Lenny Hayes for starters, I have zero doubt this would be the best step forward at this point in time for this football club.

Robert Harvey has been an assistant for ten years plus and has already been rejected once when then viewed as too inexperienced I imagine.
To knock him back again does not sit right with me.
After all the sacrifices and energy he has given to this football club during his playing career, he deserves the opportunity and the trust to be given the opportunity to lead this club from the front.

I don't buy this absolute crap that he is somehow incapable of being a good senior coach because of ill conceived nonsense about him not being some slick media performer or a snake oil salesmen like the Scott brothers for example.

I will be VERY disappointed if Robert Harvey gets knocked back a second time after having done a ten year apprenticeship.

In fact I'll be extremely pissed off.

I fully expect Brett Ratten to be appointed senior coach because this football club is second to none when it comes to goofball stupidity.

Hoping and praying for Robert Harvey to be announced as the new senior coach.

I hope Banger is appointed as well. I really do but I get the feeling it's Ratts.

Banger came very close. Had three interviews

The a/g incumbent usually has a big advantage, particularly a highly experienced one.

Who else was interviewed?

[kosifantutti]

I can’t see anyone putting forward a reason for choosing Harvey over Ratten beyond good bloke and champion of the club.

Both true but not the main criteria I’d be looking at for choosing a coach.

[The Barometer]

We have 1 premiership due to poor decision making.

Wow, you'd think with all our poor decisions we'd have won a lot more!

[SaintPav]

It’s always the first interview question though.

“Are you a good bloke and why?”

[The Barometer]

I can’t see anyone putting forward a reason for choosing Harvey over Ratten beyond good bloke and champion of the club.

Both true but not the main criteria I’d be looking at for choosing a coach.

Not sure what place this sensible post has in a hysterical thread like this.

[Sanctorum]

As much as I admire Robert Harvey and Lenny Hayes as St Kilda "greats", I am not sure that it will naturally follow that they will prove to be successful senior AFL coaches - very few former club champions have managed to go on to coach and win premierships for teams they played with.

It is also significant to note that Robert Harvey has very rarely, if ever, been mentioned to be seriously considered for other senior coaching vacancies in the AFL in the past 3 or 4 years, despite spending a long time as senior assistant at Collingwood.

As for denigrating the club CEO and Football Manager for past failures, I feel that is quite unfair because we as members and supporters are hardly in a position to know what goes on behind the scenes.

I have full confidence in the club President and his Board of Directors to pass judgement on the performance of all the senior club officials, and therefore will happily support whoever they eventually decide to select as the next senior coach, be it Brett Ratten, Robert Harvey or my preference, Sam Mitchell....

[degruch]

Quite comfy with him not getting the job to be honest...in a period of record senior coach turnover in the AFL, Harvs has remained solidly as an assistant in (up until the last few seasons) a middle rung team. Who else has he ever been tied to? Personally, I reckon the very definition of small-mindedness would be thinking someone's owed a position because they were an ex-star player.

[Saintly66]

I can’t see anyone putting forward a reason for choosing Harvey over Ratten beyond good bloke and champion of the club.

Both true but not the main criteria I’d be looking at for choosing a coach.

Don’t you dare speak such sense, people are wetting their knickers for absolutely no reason what so ever. I’d trust Ratten over Harvey any day of the week.

[barks4eva]

I can’t see anyone putting forward a reason for choosing Harvey over Rattan beyond good bloke and champion of the club.

Both true but not the main criteria I’d be looking at for choosing a coach.

Perhaps you missed the OP

Robert Harvey is more thorough in his preparation than anyone in the known universe bar none.

Rob is one of those guys who don’t have say a lot, but when he does, people listen.

A good communicator doesn’t necessarily mean a person who waffles on all the time, or speaks the loudest.

It’s what they have to say, and when they say it... and there’s also the listening component.

Many coaches don’t listen, because they think they know best, they should do all the talking.

Leadership is as much about empowering as it is directing

Ten year apprenticeship and is ready NOW.

Everything is energy and positive energy can work miracles.

Robert Harvey being appointed as St.klda's coach would have been a massively positive story and I firmly believe he would have become a modern day Jock McHale or Norm Smith in terms of a successful outcome.

Please explain the virtues of Brett Ratten.

His first game and win as caretaker coach against the Bulldogs was solely based on an energy thing with the shackles of six years of monotone dribble having been exorcised.

Defeated second bottom Melbourne by 19 points.
Almost everyone defeated Melbourne this year.

Lost against an absolutely shyte Adelaide by 22 points who were beating no-one else at the time.
Even if in Adelaide it was still a loss to a shyte and dysfunctional team.

Defeated Fremantle by 3 points after kicking two late goals when Fremantle really should have won this game.

Lost to third bottom Carlton by 10 points.

Lost or is that smashed by 45 points to fourth bottom Sydney in a spiritless and abysmal performance.
One of the worst performances of the year possibly only topped by the loss to Port in China.

Quite a few reasons right there to choose Harvey ahead of Ratten.

[desertsaint]

we'll i'll have a go.
ratten - as coach at carlton seemed to do well in getting his team hovering around the tail end of the eight. no real improvement ever shown on that. he got them playing decent competitive footy. at the hawks he joined the best coach in the league with quality leaders like fagan, mitchell and hodge all around him. couldn't fault him there. at st kilda took over as forward coach - it was the worst performing part of our structure. took over as head coach and saw no real inclination to change richo's master plan, and stated as much. an initial dead cat bounce, then a terrible loss to carlton where they ran over us, and an even worse loss to the swans where the players just didn't seem to care. we looked exactly as we had through the majority of the season. it looks as ratten will continue fine tuning richo's team and plan.

harvey - a man we know absolutely committed to pursue excellence. highly respected and loved by the supporters and an icon of the club. at collingwood joined a very green and struggling buckley at a team in the same position as st kilda. needing to rebuild into a contender. won assistant of the year, promoted to senior assistant, and helped lead the team into the grand final, whilst st kilda came 16th. this year they're top four again and a true contender. we aren't near it.

the safe bet is to take ratts if you believe we are on the right path. more risks with harvs only in that we haven't seen him as a senior coach, but what we have seen of ratts is simply that he is a competent coach - no more than that.

[degruch]

Quite a few reasons right there to choose Harvey ahead of Ratten.

Tough crowd when you're rated on your performance in half a dozen games as a fill in coach of someone elses team.

Then, of course, there's his reasonably successful coaching record...

[samuraisaint]

As much as I admire Robert Harvey and Lenny Hayes as St Kilda "greats", I am not sure that it will naturally follow that they will prove to be successful senior AFL coaches - very few former club champions have managed to go on to coach and win premierships for teams they played with.

It is also significant to note that Robert Harvey has very rarely, if ever, been mentioned to be seriously considered for other senior coaching vacancies in the AFL in the past 3 or 4 years, despite spending a long time as senior assistant at Collingwood.

As for denigrating the club CEO and Football Manager for past failures, I feel that is quite unfair because we as members and supporters are hardly in a position to know what goes on behind the scenes.

I have full confidence in the club President and his Board of Directors to pass judgement on the performance of all the senior club officials, and therefore will happily support whoever they eventually decide to select as the next senior coach, be it Brett Ratten, Robert Harvey or my preference, Sam Mitchell....

I think Lenny will make a very successful coach actually.

[kosifantutti]

I can’t see anyone putting forward a reason for choosing Harvey over Rattan beyond good bloke and champion of the club.

Both true but not the main criteria I’d be looking at for choosing a coach.

Perhaps you missed the OP

Robert Harvey is more thorough in his preparation than anyone in the known universe bar none.

Are you basing this on what he did as a player over a decade ago or are you currently working with him at Collingwood?

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Quoting BM does not exactly lend credibility

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[spert]

If Harvs got the gig, who knows, we might have ended up on the bottom of the ladder, or gone to the top. Ratts may be the same- rock bottom or top. Unless you have a reliable crystal ball to see the future, then nothing is certain. There's a lot of good assistant coaches out there, and a number of them could turn out to be good coaches in the future.

[Enrico_Misso]

I think Ratten is the best qualified for the job.
Other clubs showed interest in Ratts.

No other club had Harves on their shortlist.
Perhaps those who claim Harvey is the next big thing in coaching could explain why he is not on anyone else's radar?