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Re: AFL must explain Eleni

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saynta wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 7:56pm From afl.com.au

"Five goals were scored in the third term – three to Freo and two to St Kilda – and the lead changed each time. The last of these goals, to Dockers youngster Lachie Schultz, raised the ire of Saints fans after Freo veteran David Mundy was tackled by the shorts for a seeming eternity."


720 f****** degree turn.
She particularly cannot grasp the holding the ball Rule, including the concept of prior opportunity.


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BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:16pm
Annoyedsaint wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:15pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:04pm
Annoyedsaint wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:01pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:31pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:11pm

We have had a competence issue with Umpires for some time and yet the AFL wants to dilute any talent even further, by playing absurd new wave feminist politics.

Disagree entirely.

By giving a woman an opportunity, they're potentially increasing the talent pool by 50%.

She's not the worst in the caper, and even if she was - it'd probably be about a 2% decrease in performance across the umpiring department at worst.

So a tiny short term hit to performance, with the potential for enormous gain in the future.
You’ve gotta be joking, put her in the VFL for a
few years then, once she is proven to be ready then fair enough. This isn’t a playground to train people.

She has been abhorrent every game she has been involved in. Ask Carlton supporters, she is hopeless and not even close to being qualified as an afl umpire.
She did umpire the VFL.
And clearly isn’t good enough.
Let’s give a promotion to someone that doesn’t deserve it on merit....
How about we just get the best there is!!!
I don’t care if it’s a donkey!
Forget this quota bulls***. ANYONE can be an umpire in the lower levels, if you are good then you reach AFL.
If that is 99% men or 50% men on merit then who cares.

She is there at the moment as a token for diversity and everyone is worse off for it, not just saints fans.
There has to be better umpires out there. Full stop.
Who is good enough?

Who are the better umpires that are out there?
If she’s the best then the umpiring fraternity is f***ed.
Be better off umpiring themselves like in lower grades of local cricket.

Clearly an agenda to artificially get females involved without it based on the best available.
She’s a s*** umpire and shouldn’t be there. If another female was better and replaced her then fair play.
But she can’t go on like this.


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Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:27pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:31pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:11pm

We have had a competence issue with Umpires for some time and yet the AFL wants to dilute any talent even further, by playing absurd new wave feminist politics.

Disagree entirely.

By giving a woman an opportunity, they're potentially increasing the talent pool by 50%.

She's not the worst in the caper, and even if she was - it'd probably be about a 2% decrease in performance across the umpiring department at worst.

So a tiny short term hit to performance, with the potential for enormous gain in the future.
Its nothing about increasing the talent pool. Far more women than men don't give a hoot about AFL, so forget anything like 50% This is about attracting women as consumers by sucking up to them with 3rd Wave Feminist doctrines. Such as gender quotas. Trouble is, a great many women don't give a hoot about the 3rd Wave of Feminism.
Possibly.

Considering the AFL is an entertainment business that measures its success on audiences and revenue - what are you complaining about?

She's clearly the "best person for the role".


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Re: AFL must explain Eleni

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Special wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 4:58pm She is a joke.

Must be SACKED IMMEDIATELY.

She should be banned for life from any association with professional sport.

Those that promoted her to being on the AFL list as an umpire need to be fired immediately also.

I feel like emailing that idiot Gil but he’s got his head so far up his arse he’ll never see the sun again.

She can go get f***ed.
You must a racist ........ or something like that ................. now I remember you are a sexist ...................... a misandrist, no that's not right you are a misoginist.

Just because she is the most incompetent umpire and not up to AFL standard and can't bounce the ball high enough is no reason why she should be sacked.
She is woman and women don't have to be any of the above.


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Annoyedsaint wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:32pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:16pm
Annoyedsaint wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:15pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:04pm
Annoyedsaint wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:01pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:31pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:11pm

We have had a competence issue with Umpires for some time and yet the AFL wants to dilute any talent even further, by playing absurd new wave feminist politics.

Disagree entirely.

By giving a woman an opportunity, they're potentially increasing the talent pool by 50%.

She's not the worst in the caper, and even if she was - it'd probably be about a 2% decrease in performance across the umpiring department at worst.

So a tiny short term hit to performance, with the potential for enormous gain in the future.
You’ve gotta be joking, put her in the VFL for a
few years then, once she is proven to be ready then fair enough. This isn’t a playground to train people.

She has been abhorrent every game she has been involved in. Ask Carlton supporters, she is hopeless and not even close to being qualified as an afl umpire.
She did umpire the VFL.
And clearly isn’t good enough.
Let’s give a promotion to someone that doesn’t deserve it on merit....
How about we just get the best there is!!!
I don’t care if it’s a donkey!
Forget this quota bulls***. ANYONE can be an umpire in the lower levels, if you are good then you reach AFL.
If that is 99% men or 50% men on merit then who cares.

She is there at the moment as a token for diversity and everyone is worse off for it, not just saints fans.
There has to be better umpires out there. Full stop.
Who is good enough?

Who are the better umpires that are out there?
If she’s the best then the umpiring fraternity is f***ed.
Be better off umpiring themselves like in lower grades of local cricket.

Clearly an agenda to artificially get females involved without it based on the best available.
She’s a s*** umpire and shouldn’t be there. If another female was better and replaced her then fair play.
But she can’t go on like this.
Who are the better umpires out there that she's keeping out of a job?

You stated it - so who are they?


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Re: AFL must explain Eleni

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Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:31pm
saynta wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 7:56pm From afl.com.au

"Five goals were scored in the third term – three to Freo and two to St Kilda – and the lead changed each time. The last of these goals, to Dockers youngster Lachie Schultz, raised the ire of Saints fans after Freo veteran David Mundy was tackled by the shorts for a seeming eternity."


720 f****** degree turn.
She particularly cannot grasp the holding the ball Rule, including the concept of prior opportunity.
She has been mislead by the male umpires into thinking the holding the ball rule applies when a player grabs an opponent by both balls.


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Re: AFL must explain Eleni

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BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:33pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:27pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:31pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:11pm

We have had a competence issue with Umpires for some time and yet the AFL wants to dilute any talent even further, by playing absurd new wave feminist politics.

Disagree entirely.

By giving a woman an opportunity, they're potentially increasing the talent pool by 50%.

She's not the worst in the caper, and even if she was - it'd probably be about a 2% decrease in performance across the umpiring department at worst.

So a tiny short term hit to performance, with the potential for enormous gain in the future.
Its nothing about increasing the talent pool. Far more women than men don't give a hoot about AFL, so forget anything like 50% This is about attracting women as consumers by sucking up to them with 3rd Wave Feminist doctrines. Such as gender quotas. Trouble is, a great many women don't give a hoot about the 3rd Wave of Feminism.
Possibly.

Considering the AFL is an entertainment business that measures its success on audiences and revenue - what are you complaining about?

She's clearly the "best person for the role".
Well, I doubt the strategy in which she plays a role is any use. In the meantime, we get games disrupted by a growing number of incompetent Umpires.


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I said there must be better umpires out there you goose.
Male, female or alien.

You’re sounding like one of those feminist fools who try to mince words of others to suit an agenda.

Give me the best.
I don’t believe she’s the best.
Proof is in the pudding this year.
Everyone (being all teams supporters) say she is terrible.
Doesn’t that tell you something?


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Re: AFL must explain Eleni

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Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:39pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:33pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:27pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:31pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:11pm

We have had a competence issue with Umpires for some time and yet the AFL wants to dilute any talent even further, by playing absurd new wave feminist politics.

Disagree entirely.

By giving a woman an opportunity, they're potentially increasing the talent pool by 50%.

She's not the worst in the caper, and even if she was - it'd probably be about a 2% decrease in performance across the umpiring department at worst.

So a tiny short term hit to performance, with the potential for enormous gain in the future.
Its nothing about increasing the talent pool. Far more women than men don't give a hoot about AFL, so forget anything like 50% This is about attracting women as consumers by sucking up to them with 3rd Wave Feminist doctrines. Such as gender quotas. Trouble is, a great many women don't give a hoot about the 3rd Wave of Feminism.
Possibly.

Considering the AFL is an entertainment business that measures its success on audiences and revenue - what are you complaining about?

She's clearly the "best person for the role".
Well, I doubt the strategy in which she plays a role is any use. In the meantime, we get games disrupted by a growing number of incompetent Umpires.
You can doubt the strategy as much as you like. The AFL isn't measured on how accurate decisions are or how many people like the umpires - they measure themselves on how many people watch.

That's their business. They sell a product for people to watch.

They want to expand their audience - and including Sudanese players, Irish guys, and women in officiating roles achieves that.


People screaming about the "best person for the role" are naive, and very short sighted.

She's the ideal person the role.


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Annoyedsaint wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:41pm I said there must be better umpires out there you goose.
Male, female or alien.

You’re sounding like one of those feminist fools who try to mince words of others to suit an agenda.

Give me the best.
I don’t believe she’s the best.
Proof is in the pudding this year.
Everyone (being all teams supporters) say she is terrible.
Doesn’t that tell you something?
So who are they?


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Re: AFL must explain Eleni

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BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:43pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:39pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:33pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:27pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:31pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:11pm

We have had a competence issue with Umpires for some time and yet the AFL wants to dilute any talent even further, by playing absurd new wave feminist politics.

Disagree entirely.

By giving a woman an opportunity, they're potentially increasing the talent pool by 50%.

She's not the worst in the caper, and even if she was - it'd probably be about a 2% decrease in performance across the umpiring department at worst.

So a tiny short term hit to performance, with the potential for enormous gain in the future.
Its nothing about increasing the talent pool. Far more women than men don't give a hoot about AFL, so forget anything like 50% This is about attracting women as consumers by sucking up to them with 3rd Wave Feminist doctrines. Such as gender quotas. Trouble is, a great many women don't give a hoot about the 3rd Wave of Feminism.
Possibly.

Considering the AFL is an entertainment business that measures its success on audiences and revenue - what are you complaining about?

She's clearly the "best person for the role".
Well, I doubt the strategy in which she plays a role is any use. In the meantime, we get games disrupted by a growing number of incompetent Umpires.
You can doubt the strategy as much as you like. The AFL isn't measured on how accurate decisions are or how many people like the umpires - they measure themselves on how many people watch.

That's their business. They sell a product for people to watch.

They want to expand their audience - and including Sudanese players, Irish guys, and women in officiating roles achieves that.


People screaming about the "best person for the role" are naive, and very short sighted.

She's the ideal person the role.
Do you work for the AFL?
So much corporate dribble.

How about looking after the people already watching, otherwise they might lose some of those.


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Re: AFL must explain Eleni

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Annoyedsaint wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:46pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:43pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:39pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:33pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:27pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:31pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:11pm

We have had a competence issue with Umpires for some time and yet the AFL wants to dilute any talent even further, by playing absurd new wave feminist politics.

Disagree entirely.

By giving a woman an opportunity, they're potentially increasing the talent pool by 50%.

She's not the worst in the caper, and even if she was - it'd probably be about a 2% decrease in performance across the umpiring department at worst.

So a tiny short term hit to performance, with the potential for enormous gain in the future.
Its nothing about increasing the talent pool. Far more women than men don't give a hoot about AFL, so forget anything like 50% This is about attracting women as consumers by sucking up to them with 3rd Wave Feminist doctrines. Such as gender quotas. Trouble is, a great many women don't give a hoot about the 3rd Wave of Feminism.
Possibly.

Considering the AFL is an entertainment business that measures its success on audiences and revenue - what are you complaining about?

She's clearly the "best person for the role".
Well, I doubt the strategy in which she plays a role is any use. In the meantime, we get games disrupted by a growing number of incompetent Umpires.
You can doubt the strategy as much as you like. The AFL isn't measured on how accurate decisions are or how many people like the umpires - they measure themselves on how many people watch.

That's their business. They sell a product for people to watch.

They want to expand their audience - and including Sudanese players, Irish guys, and women in officiating roles achieves that.


People screaming about the "best person for the role" are naive, and very short sighted.

She's the ideal person the role.
Do you work for the AFL?
So much corporate dribble.

How about looking after the people already watching, otherwise they might lose some of those.
You watched today, didn't you?


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This has nothing to do with umpiring competence.
It addresses the AFLs need for umpires in junior football.
She encourages women to take up umpiring and demonstrates that a woman can make it to top.
She becomes the role model for all women umpires.

She does not control games between premiership contenders.
Instead she gets to umpire also rans like St Kilda and Fremantle.


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BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:43pm
Annoyedsaint wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:41pm I said there must be better umpires out there you goose.
Male, female or alien.

You’re sounding like one of those feminist fools who try to mince words of others to suit an agenda.

Give me the best.
I don’t believe she’s the best.
Proof is in the pudding this year.
Everyone (being all teams supporters) say she is terrible.
Doesn’t that tell you something?
So who are they?
If you actually read, I said there has to be better out there. Umpires that have umpired local footy for 15
years. Be like going straight from uni to CEO. It’s just dumb.

Her body of work over the year says she isn’t AFL standard. There’s an issue there when everyone is saying it.


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saynta wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 7:56pm From afl.com.au

"Five goals were scored in the third term – three to Freo and two to St Kilda – and the lead changed each time. The last of these goals, to Dockers youngster Lachie Schultz, raised the ire of Saints fans after Freo veteran David Mundy was tackled by the shorts for a seeming eternity."


720 f****** degree turn.
360 degrees, just a very wide arc.


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BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:31pm
supersaints2 wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:24pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:31pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:11pm

We have had a competence issue with Umpires for some time and yet the AFL wants to dilute any talent even further, by playing absurd new wave feminist politics.

Disagree entirely.

By giving a woman an opportunity, they're potentially increasing the talent pool by 50%.

She's not the worst in the caper, and even if she was - it'd probably be about a 2% decrease in performance across the umpiring department at worst.

So a tiny short term hit to performance, with the potential for enormous gain in the future.
Wow.. are you David Rockefeller???
He's the Fella who came up with women's lib.. so the US government could increase taxation by 50% by getting women in the workforce... He also stated that then they could control the children while they women were at work to become " ultimate consumers" .. win win for government and multinationals... I worked for Exxon/ Mobil for three decades... one of the first to put female participation over talent
... sounds simple but best person for the role REGARDLESS of gender
From what I've seen she ain't up to it
"Best person the role" is so short sighted.
Are you serious? .. really .. your myopic


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BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:31pm
supersaints2 wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 8:24pm
BarryGrogan wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:31pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:11pm

We have had a competence issue with Umpires for some time and yet the AFL wants to dilute any talent even further, by playing absurd new wave feminist politics.

Disagree entirely.

By giving a woman an opportunity, they're potentially increasing the talent pool by 50%.

She's not the worst in the caper, and even if she was - it'd probably be about a 2% decrease in performance across the umpiring department at worst.

So a tiny short term hit to performance, with the potential for enormous gain in the future.
Wow.. are you David Rockefeller???
He's the Fella who came up with women's lib.. so the US government could increase taxation by 50% by getting women in the workforce... He also stated that then they could control the children while they women were at work to become " ultimate consumers" .. win win for government and multinationals... I worked for Exxon/ Mobil for three decades... one of the first to put female participation over talent
... sounds simple but best person for the role REGARDLESS of gender
From what I've seen she ain't up to it
"Best person the role" is so short sighted.
I ready my case your myopic


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That's rest my case .. you cannot be serious


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Look, I’m no sexist but if she did her ump’ing in a nice revealing frock or even a cut-off pair of jeans, would it be so bad if she made a few errors here and there?

Just saying...


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I'm no chauvanist but I like that idea

The shorts could be those ripped frayed denim numbers


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Scollop wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 10:21pm I'm no chauvanist but I like that idea

The shorts could be those ripped frayed denim numbers
...like those of the girl in the Dukes of Hazzard?


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bigcarl wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:22pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 6:11pm Its virtue signalling by the AFL, simple! She's not there on merit. Has f**k all feel for the game and doesn't appear to know the basic Rules or give a sh*t about them. She was a disgrace today and had a mate or two!

The concept of gender quotas is idiotic and not to mention a dangerous folly, promoted by idiotic new wave feminists.
Couldn’t agree more. Quotas of any type is garbage. It has to be on merit.
Geez mention merit where I work and you’re career is over as a misogynist, bigot, racist, uneducated Trump supporter.......even though all you’ve suggested is treat EVERYONE as a respected individual equally....go figure...


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The Linton Street Flash wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 10:28pm
Scollop wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 10:21pm I'm no chauvanist but I like that idea

The shorts could be those ripped frayed denim numbers
...like those of the girl in the Dukes of Hazzard?
But the pressing question remains ....... can she cook?


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Re: AFL must explain Eleni

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The Linton Street Flash wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 10:28pm
Scollop wrote: Sun 11 Aug 2019 10:21pm I'm no chauvanist but I like that idea

The shorts could be those ripped frayed denim numbers
...like those of the girl in the Dukes of Hazzard?
Daisy Duke! C'mon Flash...brush up on those pop culture references.


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