Lyon

[BarryGrogan]

Caroline Wilson reckons some directors at the Saints are serious about getting Ross Lyon back.

Seemed to think it is actually a possibility.

[SydneySainter]

Lyon wants to be a premiership coach and would therefore have zero interest in overseeing our mini-rebuild.

[SaintPav]

OMG

We need to out these incompetent flogs.

[supersaints2]

OMG

We need to out these incompetent flogs.

I think it's just media talk.. while the club has the responsibility to look at every possibility, it would be at best a quick glance and a no thanks.
It partnership terms it's like the person who ran off with someone, then asking them back.

[SaintPav]

OMG

We need to out these incompetent flogs.

I think it's just media talk.. while the club has the responsibility to look at every possibility, it would be at best a quick glance and a no thanks.
It partnership terms it's like the person who ran off with someone, then asking them back.

Hope so.

[takeaway]

Lyon wants to be a premiership coach and would therefore have zero interest in overseeing our mini-rebuild.

What coach doesn't? Are we undertaking a mini rebuild? First I've heard it and not sure what it is anyway.

[Jacks Back]

No. I've had enough of the dour defense crap.

[HighettMan]

In a heart beat. The development phase is almost done and now we need a next level coach.

Roo is beind this.

[skeptic]

I don’t know... it’s taken us what 8 years to climb out of the mess he left us with last time.
Not to mention the very shady circumstances in which he left... hasn’t exactly done wonders with Freo either

Def a pass from me

IMO GT had the right idea (not saying he should come back) but you should always aim to continue developing for the future even whilst pushing finals/aiming for the big one.
Lyon has too much of a sacrifice tomorrow for today mentality

[bigcarl]

it’s taken us what 8 years to climb out of the mess he left us with last time.
Not to mention the very shady circumstances in which he left

This.

I can’t believe we’d take him back.

No, no, no. Did I mention No?

[bigcarl]

In a heart beat. The development phase is almost done and now we need a next level coach.

Roo is beind this.

Rooey would say that. Played his best football under Lyin’ and had his most success under Lyin’.

I’ve the utmost respect for Rooey, but he isn’t running the club anymore. Is he?

[CarlD]

Been there, done that. Let's move on.

[Legendary]

The guy lost all his money and all his superannuation in 2010 from a failed business deal. At the time, the Saints would not offer him a long term contract and Fremantle would. Nettlefold told him that his position was not guaranteed beyond 2012. He needed to rebuild his life financially and had young kids. What would you do in the same circumstances? Would you pick your employer or your family's financial security?

[spert]

There's a lot better coaches around than Lyon, he couldn't get a very capable and disciplined team to win a premiership, so not really much chop in the end. Ratten should be signed up right now.

[suss]

The guy lost all his money and all his superannuation in 2010 from a failed business deal. At the time, the Saints would not offer him a long term contract and Fremantle would. Nettlefold told him that his position was not guaranteed beyond 2012. He needed to rebuild his life financially and had young kids. What would you do in the same circumstances? Would you pick your employer or your family's financial security?

Yes but he still went about it the wrong way. He didn’t even let his manager know. It was a disgraceful exit.

I still think he’s a great coach but not for us. He’d be a good fit at Carlton. They need someone to whip them into shape.

[bigcarl]

There's a lot better coaches around than Lyon, he couldn't get a very capable and disciplined team to win a premiership, so not really much chop in the end. Ratten should be signed up right now.

It was arguably the best list in the club’s history. Assembled and developed by someone else, I might add.

[Legendary]

I agree - not the right guy for us now. Our list is not in the right place.

But those who think Lyon is Satan because of the way he left should have some empathy. Most people who lost all their money and had 5 years of job security vs. 1 year with a young family to support would take the 5 years in a heartbeat. If Nettlefold had put a halfway decent offer to Lyon, he would have stayed at the Saints. It was incredibly difficult for him - he cried when he told Nick.

[saynta]

I agree - not the right guy for us now. Our list is not in the right place.

But those who think Lyon is Satan because of the way he left should have some empathy. Most people who lost all their money and had 5 years of job security vs. 1 year with a young family to support would take the 5 years in a heartbeat. If Nettlefold had put a halfway decent offer to Lyon, he would have stayed at the Saints. It was incredibly difficult for him - he cried when he told Nick.

He cost us two flags and a former captain. He's a flog.

[Joffa Burns]

There's a lot better coaches around than Lyon, he couldn't get a very capable and disciplined team to win a premiership, so not really much chop in the end. Ratten should be signed up right now.

It was arguably the best list in the club’s history. Assembled and developed by someone else, I might add.

Disagree totally on the list comment, GT had the best list assembled in my time watching the Saints by a country mile.

Somehow, posters on this site seems to think or perpetuate GT made it to 2 x Prelims with a bunch of 18 & 19 YO kids (not suggesting you are one of them), when this was not the case at all. GT had a far superior list than Lyon inherited.

By the time Lyon took over most media and many, many fans including lots on this site thought it was rebuild time not an opportunity to have a tilt at a flag.

[HighettMan]

In a heart beat. The development phase is almost done and now we need a next level coach.

Roo is beind this.

Rooey would say that. Played his best football under Lyin’ and had his most success under Lyin’.

I’ve the utmost respect for Rooey, but he isn’t running the club anymore. Is he?

Basset calls Roo a minimum of 2 times a day. As Basset will happily tell you, "I'm good with websites and the internet, that's it"

[bigcarl]

There's a lot better coaches around than Lyon, he couldn't get a very capable and disciplined team to win a premiership, so not really much chop in the end. Ratten should be signed up right now.

It was arguably the best list in the club’s history. Assembled and developed by someone else, I might add.

Disagree totally on the list comment, GT had the best list assembled in my time watching the Saints by a country mile.

Somehow, posters on this site seems to think or perpetuate GT made it to 2 x Prelims with a bunch of 18 & 19 YO kids (not suggesting you are one of them), when this was not the case at all. GT had a far superior list than Lyon inherited.

By the time Lyon took over most media and many, many fans including lots on this site thought it was rebuild time not an opportunity to have a tilt at a flag.

We can agree to disagree on that Joffa.

the fact is the core of that team - Riewoldt, Hayes, Dal, BJ, Kosi, Milne, Blake and others - was in its prime under Lyin’

[saynta]

There's a lot better coaches around than Lyon, he couldn't get a very capable and disciplined team to win a premiership, so not really much chop in the end. Ratten should be signed up right now.

It was arguably the best list in the club’s history. Assembled and developed by someone else, I might add.

Disagree totally on the list comment, GT had the best list assembled in my time watching the Saints by a country mile.

Somehow, posters on this site seems to think or perpetuate GT made it to 2 x Prelims with a bunch of 18 & 19 YO kids (not suggesting you are one of them), when this was not the case at all. GT had a far superior list than Lyon inherited.

By the time Lyon took over most media and many, many fans including lots on this site thought it was rebuild time not an opportunity to have a tilt at a flag.

Injuries and a disinterested thug by the name of Guerra cost us the prelim against the swans. Guerra cost us the other one too, by missing a simple kick of the ground for an easy goal. Crowd invasion was also a factor.

[Joffa Burns]

Best list I have seen at Saints in player range, age profile and ability.
The only thing lacking was a gun ruckman and that was supposed to be Brooks.
Reiwoldt & Ball were AA already, the only gun not at a high level at that point in his career was Goddard.

Great mix of experience, talent, youth, skill, toughness, no weakness in any part of the ground (except ruck).

What a missed opportunity 2004 & 2005 was for our club, could have been a dynasty.

Saints 2005

Player Age
Peckitt # 32
Hamill # 27
Clarke X # 21
Thompson # 32
Jones # 28
Fisher L # 21
Hayes # 25
Hudgton # 28
Gehrig # 29
Baker # 24
Montagna # 21
Riewoldt # 22 AA
Voss # 27
Ball # 21
Gram # 20
Clarke R # 19
Powell # 28
Goddard # 19
Penny # 24
Murray # 22
Ferguson # 20
Fiora # 24
Koschitzke # 22
Brooks # 21
Fisher S # 22
Dal Santo # 21
Blake # 24
Ackland # 23
Stone # 23
McGough # 20
Maguire # 21
McQualter # 18
Gwilt # 19
Guerra # 22
Harvey # 33
Pfitnzer # 20
Mullins # 20
Schwarze # 23
Milne # 25

[Joffa Burns]

There's a lot better coaches around than Lyon, he couldn't get a very capable and disciplined team to win a premiership, so not really much chop in the end. Ratten should be signed up right now.

It was arguably the best list in the club’s history. Assembled and developed by someone else, I might add.

Disagree totally on the list comment, GT had the best list assembled in my time watching the Saints by a country mile.

Somehow, posters on this site seems to think or perpetuate GT made it to 2 x Prelims with a bunch of 18 & 19 YO kids (not suggesting you are one of them), when this was not the case at all. GT had a far superior list than Lyon inherited.

By the time Lyon took over most media and many, many fans including lots on this site thought it was rebuild time not an opportunity to have a tilt at a flag.

Injuries and a disinterested thug by the name of Guerra cost us the prelim against the swans. Guerra cost us the other one too, by missing a simple kick of the ground for an easy goal. Crowd invasion was also a factor.

Agree the invasion certainly cost us momentum at a critical time and may well have been the difference.
We were all over them and another couple of unanswered goals and anything could have happened.

I can't agree that isolated incidents like Guerra, cost us the match.

[bigcarl]

Best list I have seen at Saints in player range, age profile and ability.
The only thing lacking was a gun ruckman and that was supposed to be Brooks.
Reiwoldt & Ball were AA already, the only gun not at a high level at that point in his career was Goddard.

Great mix of experience, talent, youth, skill, toughness, no weakness in any part of the ground (except ruck).

What a missed opportunity 2004 & 2005 was for our club, could have been a dynasty.

Saints 2005

Player Age
Peckitt # 32
Hamill # 27
Clarke X # 21
Thompson # 32
Jones # 28
Fisher L # 21
Hayes # 25
Hudgton # 28
Gehrig # 29
Baker # 24
Montagna # 21
Riewoldt # 22 AA
Voss # 27
Ball # 21
Gram # 20
Clarke R # 19
Powell # 28
Goddard # 19
Penny # 24
Murray # 22
Ferguson # 20
Fiora # 24
Koschitzke # 22
Brooks # 21
Fisher S # 22
Dal Santo # 21
Blake # 24
Ackland # 23
Stone # 23
McGough # 20
Maguire # 21
McQualter # 18
Gwilt # 19
Guerra # 22
Harvey # 33
Pfitnzer # 20
Mullins # 20
Schwarze # 23
Milne # 25

We were unlucky with injuries, that’s for sure.

Part of the reason for that I think was a lot of those future guns hadn’t matured physically yet.

They were several years from their best football.

We should have stayed the course with GT, but I’ve always said that.