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Collateral Damage

Post: # 1807068Post ss1986 »

I have a feeling that Finnis isn't going to come out of this that well - with a bit of luck anyway.

As I have said, I do feel sorry for Alan - he was not good enough, but has been cruelly mismanaged by an incompetent administration.

#FinnisOUT


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ss1986 wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 12:37pm I have a feeling that Finnis isn't going to come out of this that well - with a bit of luck anyway.

As I have said, I do feel sorry for Alan - he was not good enough, but has been cruelly mismanaged by an incompetent administration.

#FinnisOUT
Why? Did the admin give Patty concussion? Give Robbo heart problems? Hurt Carlisles back? Give Steven mental health issues? Break Geray's leg?

Did the admin finger us with the free kick count basically every week?


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Post: # 1807079Post Enrico_Misso »

I'm hoping the collateral damage is to Lethlean.
Will put an end to the Xavier conspiracy.

And take Scott out of the equation!


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Post: # 1807083Post Scollop »

The admin ruled over this footy club during Richo's tenure. There were opportunities to transition to the next generation of football leaders when Richo was appointed, but the footy club in it's wisdom decided to stick with the status quo with the same on field captain.

The environment did not change from when we were contending to when we were rebuilding. Great planning St Kilda.

The coach lamented the lack of leadership in 2018 when we were 1 win from about 10 matches. Richo was passing the buck and so were all the people backing him at the time, especially the CEO. This footy club needs the right people on the board and in the administration if we are ever going to be successful on field


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Lethlean needs to pack his desk and leave for one reason and one reason only: overriding Liberatore on draft selection.

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Post: # 1807126Post ss1986 »

Finnis should have his papers stamped for that presser.

If Richo asked him not to mention his family, and he did anyway, then that is a measure of the bloke - what a disgrace.


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Sexton needs to pack his cubicle as well.


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ss1986 wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 1:51pm Finnis should have his papers stamped for that presser.

If Richo asked him not to mention his family, and he did anyway, then that is a measure of the bloke - what a disgrace.
Think you are reading a bit too much into that, I think Richo clarified that he gets emotional when talking about his family and thinking about the sacrifices they made, so he was emotional when Finnis finished talking and wasn't able to make any statement then and wanted to get into questions so he could compose himself. Seemed from the rest of the presser that they were on relatively good terms.


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Post: # 1807133Post ss1986 »

When Finnis threw to him, the first words from Richo's mouth was "I will throw straight to questions, because I asked Matt not to talk about my family".

That is ordinary form any which way you cut it.


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ss1986 wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:04pm When Finnis threw to him, the first words from Richo's mouth was "I will throw straight to questions, because I asked Matt not to talk about my family".

That is ordinary form any which way you cut it.
Well aware of what he said as I was watching it too and thought it was a bit strange. I think his answer later on clarified it more, but clearly your opinion of Finnis is set so this will suit your narrative.


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amusingname wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:07pm
ss1986 wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:04pm When Finnis threw to him, the first words from Richo's mouth was "I will throw straight to questions, because I asked Matt not to talk about my family".

That is ordinary form any which way you cut it.
Well aware of what he said as I was watching it too and thought it was a bit strange. I think his answer later on clarified it more, but clearly your opinion of Finnis is set so this will suit your narrative.
Just keeps finding a way to stuff things up - THAT is why I have a problem with him.


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ss1986 wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 1:51pm Finnis should have his papers stamped for that presser.

If Richo asked him not to mention his family, and he did anyway, then that is a measure of the bloke - what a disgrace.
Highly agree,very unprofessional ,really shook my head when I heard this,how damn disrespectful,says a lot about the people in the hierarchy at our club.


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Post: # 1807144Post tedtheodorelogan2018 »

You can apply for his position if he resigns. 🙄


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tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:17pm You can apply for his position if he resigns. 🙄
I might


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Good luck.


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Post: # 1807156Post takeaway »

Richo has exited the club in an admirable way. Well handled by the club. The injuries this year cruelled his chances, but 6 years is enough. There may be some changes with Assistants depending on the new coach, but I see no reason to change the administration, can't see any issue with Finnis ,Lethlean , Basset, imo we are heading the right direction.


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takeaway wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:26pm Richo has exited the club in an admirable way. Well handled by the club. The injuries this year cruelled his chances, but 6 years is enough. There may be some changes with Assistants depending on the new coach, but I see no reason to change the administration, can't see any issue with Finnis ,Lethlean , Basset, imo we are heading the right direction.
Perfectly said Takers. Spot on.

Oh, but SS1986 is apparently applying for Finnis' role.


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SaintPav wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 1:00pm Lethlean needs to pack his desk and leave for one reason and one reason only: overriding Liberatore on draft selection.

Connor Rozee
Connor Rozee comes nowhere near Max King, not even close.


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Scollop wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 12:51pm The admin ruled over this footy club during Richo's tenure. There were opportunities to transition to the next generation of football leaders when Richo was appointed, but the footy club in it's wisdom decided to stick with the status quo with the same on field captain.

The environment did not change from when we were contending to when we were rebuilding. Great planning St Kilda.

The coach lamented the lack of leadership in 2018 when we were 1 win from about 10 matches. Richo was passing the buck and so were all the people backing him at the time, especially the CEO. This footy club needs the right people on the board and in the administration if we are ever going to be successful on field
The interesting thing is that whilst I'm sure our Admin has been successful in other walks of professional life ... none of them have been successful in their present roles at other football clubs because by definition - they haven't done the job before. Let alone at a successful club.

That directly flows to leadership and development of it. That Geary was our next best option after Roo let the Captaincy go says everything about how inept we are as a club and a football program. Right now - I feel like J Roughead could come from the Dawks right now and be a more effective on-field leader of our club.


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Post: # 1807182Post SaintPav »

Linton Lodger wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:30pm
SaintPav wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 1:00pm Lethlean needs to pack his desk and leave for one reason and one reason only: overriding Liberatore on draft selection.

Connor Rozee
Connor Rozee comes nowhere near Max King, not even close.
Do you reckon King will be better than Rozee?


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Post: # 1807189Post Myron Gaines »

SaintPav wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:56pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:30pm
SaintPav wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 1:00pm Lethlean needs to pack his desk and leave for one reason and one reason only: overriding Liberatore on draft selection.

Connor Rozee
Connor Rozee comes nowhere near Max King, not even close.
Do you reckon King will be better than Rozee?
I know you didn’t ask me but just my thoughts on the question.

King played his earlier junior footy as a midfielder & has a tremendous amount of agility. He marks at the highest point & is near on impossible to beat when he’s got a run at it. His preparation & professionalism is Nick Riewoldt level. If he gets a clean run at it he will be a generational player.

Lethlean overruling the recruiter is the best thing he’s ever done. Big picture is we will also get a future AA CHB in his twin brother. It’s a two for one deal.


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Myron Gaines wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 3:16pm
SaintPav wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:56pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:30pm
SaintPav wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 1:00pm Lethlean needs to pack his desk and leave for one reason and one reason only: overriding Liberatore on draft selection.

Connor Rozee
Connor Rozee comes nowhere near Max King, not even close.
Do you reckon King will be better than Rozee?
I know you didn’t ask me but just my thoughts on the question.

King played his earlier junior footy as a midfielder & has a tremendous amount of agility. He marks at the highest point & is near on impossible to beat when he’s got a run at it. His preparation & professionalism is Nick Riewoldt level. If he gets a clean run at it he will be a generational player.

Lethlean overruling the recruiter is the best thing he’s ever done. Big picture is we will also get a future AA CHB in his twin brother. It’s a two for one deal.
Spot on there, I know for a fact Port were praying we would pass on Max King as they had the next pick.
How you described him is exactly how he plays, he will be unplayable at times.
202 com that runs like the wind, hard & fast & for long periods & marks at the highest point & is a saints tragic, he is one of us!!
Lethelan has balls he put it on the line I back him on that one.


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Post: # 1807197Post Darth Vader »

Richo/Finnis relationship looked fine to me. Finnis’s biggest mistake was extending Richo at the end of 2017.


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SaintPav wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:56pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:30pm
SaintPav wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 1:00pm Lethlean needs to pack his desk and leave for one reason and one reason only: overriding Liberatore on draft selection.

Connor Rozee
Connor Rozee comes nowhere near Max King, not even close.
Do you reckon King will be better than Rozee?
Easy, by some margin. His brother (Ben) is also better than Rozee.


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Post: # 1807202Post Myron Gaines »

Vazelos wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 3:28pm
Myron Gaines wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 3:16pm
SaintPav wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:56pm
Linton Lodger wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 2:30pm
SaintPav wrote: Tue 16 Jul 2019 1:00pm Lethlean needs to pack his desk and leave for one reason and one reason only: overriding Liberatore on draft selection.

Connor Rozee
Connor Rozee comes nowhere near Max King, not even close.
Do you reckon King will be better than Rozee?
I know you didn’t ask me but just my thoughts on the question.

King played his earlier junior footy as a midfielder & has a tremendous amount of agility. He marks at the highest point & is near on impossible to beat when he’s got a run at it. His preparation & professionalism is Nick Riewoldt level. If he gets a clean run at it he will be a generational player.

Lethlean overruling the recruiter is the best thing he’s ever done. Big picture is we will also get a future AA CHB in his twin brother. It’s a two for one deal.
Spot on there, I know for a fact Port were praying we would pass on Max King as they had the next pick.
How you described him is exactly how he plays, he will be unplayable at times.
202 com that runs like the wind, hard & fast & for long periods & marks at the highest point & is a saints tragic, he is one of us!!
Lethelan has balls he put it on the line I back him on that one.
Yup, he wasn’t given Riewoldt’s number 12 for no reason.


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