Umpire number 2 Nick Foot

[Enrico_Misso]

We need to get StPeter's stats confirmed.
If true then we should definitely raise it with the AFL.

But of course we won't.

[StPeter]

We need to get StPeter's stats confirmed.
If true then we should definitely raise it with the AFL.

But of course we won't.

Anyone can just observe a replay of any of his games involving us to see what I am talking about.
From memory there has only been one game which could be considered a balanced and fair display over the past six or seven years.

[Enrico_Misso]

Problem is at the ground I generally don't notice who the umpire is as they generally look the same (though I did notice that lady umpire that paid all the frees to the Eagle forwards).

And if you watch the replay the umpire paying the free is often out of shot.

[BackFromUSA]

Anybody remember 'Sirengate'?
Amazing all those 'mistakes'.
And I believe Tony Jones' account of what he overheard the umpire say afterwards.

TJ wouldn’t risk his reputation as a journalist reporting the news to make that up. Too much for him to lose. It happened. 100%.

Interesting to note, when journos say things we want to hear they are reputable and have integrity, but when they say things we don’t like (Barrett about Hannerbry for example) they are part of the scum AFL media who have no ethics and invent stories from nowhere.

Maybe something to think about.

You are welcome to have your opinions and thoughts. And you are welcome to continue to play your little game where you stir up passionate fans by saying they are delusional when they think umpires or media are unfair.

Here are the facts that lead me to my conclusion and opinion.

I dealt with journalists for 20 years on a professional level. I worked at a level that had me (and my staff) representing all the major sports, entertainment and lifestyle brands in Australia. That includes consulting to the AFL for 4 of those 20 years. It is a decade since I got out of that game.

I had dealings with TJ for 10 to 15 years.

TJ isn’t a journalist with a history of sensationalism.

The fact that he came out with that info was a huge risk for him and to his reputation. He would have known the backlash he was going to get (and got) from AFL HQ.

It was actually a bad move for him to come forward.

He came forward because it was the right thing to do.

And TJ is not a Saints fan and is certainly not delusional.

[The_Dud]

Anybody remember 'Sirengate'?
Amazing all those 'mistakes'.
And I believe Tony Jones' account of what he overheard the umpire say afterwards.

TJ wouldn’t risk his reputation as a journalist reporting the news to make that up. Too much for him to lose. It happened. 100%.

Interesting to note, when journos say things we want to hear they are reputable and have integrity, but when they say things we don’t like (Barrett about Hannerbry for example) they are part of the scum AFL media who have no ethics and invent stories from nowhere.

Maybe something to think about.

You are welcome to have your opinions and thoughts. And you are welcome to continue to play your little game where you stir up passionate fans by saying they are delusional when they think umpires or media are unfair.

Here are the facts that lead me to my conclusion and opinion.

I dealt with journalists for 20 years on a professional level. I worked at a level that had me (and my staff) representing all the major sports, entertainment and lifestyle brands in Australia. That includes consulting to the AFL for 4 of those 20 years. It is a decade since I got out of that game.

I had dealings with TJ for 10 to 15 years.

TJ isn’t a journalist with a history of sensationalism.

The fact that he came out with that info was a huge risk for him and to his reputation. He would have known the backlash he was going to get (and got) from AFL HQ.

It was actually a bad move for him to come forward.

He came forward because it was the right thing to do.

And TJ is not a Saints fan and is certainly not delusional.

Slow down, no need to get snippy, I didn’t say TJs story was true or not, just pointing out how posters like to flip-flop on who is credible depending on the news being delivered.

Also, posters on here seem to genuinely think there is an AFL backed conspiracy against St Kilda to intermittently umpire badly against us in games, for... I’m still not sure what exact reason. And I’m the one “playing games” and “stirring”?! Yeah ok then. I would say I’m more “holding up a mirror”.

In my job I have to deal with people daily who, despite having no actual knowledge about the subject or the inner workings going on, feel they have the right to publicly make ridiculously false claims and call in to question the integrity of numerous professional and hard working people purely because they didn’t like an outcome or decision made. And the best bit is they can’t be properly called out for the rubbish they spew because the people who they attack have professional standards they have to maintain.

Maybe posters should extend the same respect you have for TJ’s integrity in his profession to the umpires who are also professionals doing their job (an extremely difficult job NO ONE on here has any relevant experience doing) to the best of their ability.

[SaintPav]

Dudley, it's a proven and irrefutable fact that struggling teams get a bum wrap with the umpires. That's not a conspiracy but it is our current reality.

Folk on here are just venting because they're not allowed to vent anymore at the football because feelings might get hurt. It's just letting off a bit of steam and it's harmless. Not sure why you need to continually get your knickers in a knot about it.

[Joffa Burns]

Anybody remember 'Sirengate'?
Amazing all those 'mistakes'.
And I believe Tony Jones' account of what he overheard the umpire say afterwards.

TJ wouldn’t risk his reputation as a journalist reporting the news to make that up. Too much for him to lose. It happened. 100%.

Interesting to note, when journos say things we want to hear they are reputable and have integrity, but when they say things we don’t like (Barrett about Hannerbry for example) they are part of the scum AFL media who have no ethics and invent stories from nowhere.

Maybe something to think about.

You are welcome to have your opinions and thoughts. And you are welcome to continue to play your little game where you stir up passionate fans by saying they are delusional when they think umpires or media are unfair.

Here are the facts that lead me to my conclusion and opinion.

I dealt with journalists for 20 years on a professional level. I worked at a level that had me (and my staff) representing all the major sports, entertainment and lifestyle brands in Australia. That includes consulting to the AFL for 4 of those 20 years. It is a decade since I got out of that game.

I had dealings with TJ for 10 to 15 years.

TJ isn’t a journalist with a history of sensationalism.

The fact that he came out with that info was a huge risk for him and to his reputation. He would have known the backlash he was going to get (and got) from AFL HQ.

It was actually a bad move for him to come forward.

He came forward because it was the right thing to do.

And TJ is not a Saints fan and is certainly not delusional.

Slow down, no need to get snippy, I didn’t say TJs story was true or not, just pointing out how posters like to flip-flop on who is credible depending on the news being delivered.

Also, posters on here seem to genuinely think there is an AFL backed conspiracy against St Kilda to intermittently umpire badly against us in games, for... I’m still not sure what exact reason. And I’m the one “playing games” and “stirring”?! Yeah ok then. I would say I’m more “holding up a mirror”.

In my job I have to deal with people daily who, despite having no actual knowledge about the subject or the inner workings going on, feel they have the right to publicly make ridiculously false claims and call in to question the integrity of numerous professional and hard working people purely because they didn’t like an outcome or decision made. And the best bit is they can’t be properly called out for the rubbish they spew because the people who they attack have professional standards they have to maintain.

Maybe posters should extend the same respect you have for TJ’s integrity in his profession to the umpires who are also professionals doing their job (an extremely difficult job NO ONE on here has any relevant experience doing) to the best of their ability.

Interesting comments here, I agree with both the dud and BFUSA but their opinions are not mutually exclusive.

I agree TJ would have been correct and that dud was not suggesting TJ was not.

Dud is correct that journalists on this site are rated by how positively or negatively they write about the Saints.

A negative article even if justified is written by a hack with no credibility and a positive article is written by the one good objective journo out there.

Same with umpiring, as BFUSA rightfully points out the dud stirs up the umpire bashers but surely it is obvious that our chief umpire loather is taking the piss on a weekly basis.

[The_Dud]

Dudley, it's a proven and irrefutable fact that struggling teams get a bum wrap with the umpires. That's not a conspiracy but it is our current reality.

Folk on here are just venting because they're not allowed to vent anymore at the football because feelings might get hurt. It's just letting off a bit of steam and it's harmless. Not sure why you need to continually get your knickers in a knot about it.

Firstly, “proven and irrefutable fact”? Link please.

Secondly, if the above is true, saying less skilled teams generally make more mistakes therefore giving away more free kicks sounds perfectly reasonable to me, no sign of a conspiracy.

Thirdly, folks are allowed to vent at the football. And the poster who spams the match thread purely about umpiring every week is not at the game.

Fourthly, there’s a difference between “letting off a bit of steam” and having numerous threads dedicated to absurd conspiracies that attack the character of umpires and implies they are the reason we are losing games and not reasons under the St Kilda FC control. And I’m also allowed to point out how ridiculous they’re being.

And finally, I don’t think my knickers have ever been knotted?

[CURLY]

Plain and simple different teams get umpired differently. You watch a Collingwood game then watch ours and compare interpretations of the rules for there players and ours. Watch a EAGLES game and try and work out what we do wrong.

[SaintPav]

Dudley, it's a proven and irrefutable fact that struggling teams get a bum wrap with the umpires. That's not a conspiracy but it is our current reality.

Folk on here are just venting because they're not allowed to vent anymore at the football because feelings might get hurt. It's just letting off a bit of steam and it's harmless. Not sure why you need to continually get your knickers in a knot about it.

Firstly, “proven and irrefutable fact”? Link please.

Secondly, if the above is true, saying less skilled teams generally make more mistakes therefore giving away more free kicks sounds perfectly reasonable to me, no sign of a conspiracy.

Thirdly, folks are allowed to vent at the football. And the poster who spams the match thread purely about umpiring every week is not at the game.

Fourthly, there’s a difference between “letting off a bit of steam” and having numerous threads dedicated to absurd conspiracies that attack the character of umpires and implies they are the reason we are losing games and not reasons under the St Kilda FC control. And I’m also allowed to point out how ridiculous they’re being.

And finally, I don’t think my knickers have ever been knotted?

You're allowed and so am I, but so is Curly. It's called FREE SPEECH.

There's no link and I don't need to prove anything. I said we generally get a bum wrap with the umpires. That's it. You're welcome to disprove it, but I really don't care.

I did not use the word "conspiracy"? (possibly the most misused and misunderstood word in the lingua franca).

Finally, your work is irrelevant to AFL umpiring, though, just like your posting style, it just sounds to me that you and your employer think that you are above public criticism. That doesn't sound very transparent and accountable to me, more like hubris and exceptionalism. I just hope they aren't abusing their power because I don't reckon self-reflection is one of your key strengths, Dudley.

[SaintPav]

Anybody remember 'Sirengate'?
Amazing all those 'mistakes'.
And I believe Tony Jones' account of what he overheard the umpire say afterwards.

TJ wouldn’t risk his reputation as a journalist reporting the news to make that up. Too much for him to lose. It happened. 100%.

Interesting to note, when journos say things we want to hear they are reputable and have integrity, but when they say things we don’t like (Barrett about Hannerbry for example) they are part of the scum AFL media who have no ethics and invent stories from nowhere.

Maybe something to think about.

You are welcome to have your opinions and thoughts. And you are welcome to continue to play your little game where you stir up passionate fans by saying they are delusional when they think umpires or media are unfair.

Here are the facts that lead me to my conclusion and opinion.

I dealt with journalists for 20 years on a professional level. I worked at a level that had me (and my staff) representing all the major sports, entertainment and lifestyle brands in Australia. That includes consulting to the AFL for 4 of those 20 years. It is a decade since I got out of that game.

I had dealings with TJ for 10 to 15 years.

TJ isn’t a journalist with a history of sensationalism.

The fact that he came out with that info was a huge risk for him and to his reputation. He would have known the backlash he was going to get (and got) from AFL HQ.

It was actually a bad move for him to come forward.

He came forward because it was the right thing to do.

And TJ is not a Saints fan and is certainly not delusional.

Slow down, no need to get snippy, I didn’t say TJs story was true or not, just pointing out how posters like to flip-flop on who is credible depending on the news being delivered.

Also, posters on here seem to genuinely think there is an AFL backed conspiracy against St Kilda to intermittently umpire badly against us in games, for... I’m still not sure what exact reason. And I’m the one “playing games” and “stirring”?! Yeah ok then. I would say I’m more “holding up a mirror”.

In my job I have to deal with people daily who, despite having no actual knowledge about the subject or the inner workings going on, feel they have the right to publicly make ridiculously false claims and call in to question the integrity of numerous professional and hard working people purely because they didn’t like an outcome or decision made. And the best bit is they can’t be properly called out for the rubbish they spew because the people who they attack have professional standards they have to maintain.

Maybe posters should extend the same respect you have for TJ’s integrity in his profession to the umpires who are also professionals doing their job (an extremely difficult job NO ONE on here has any relevant experience doing) to the best of their ability.

Interesting comments here, I agree with both the dud and BFUSA but their opinions are not mutually exclusive.

I agree TJ would have been correct and that dud was not suggesting TJ was not.

Dud is correct that journalists on this site are rated by how positively or negatively they write about the Saints.

A negative article even if justified is written by a hack with no credibility and a positive article is written by the one good objective journo out there.

Same with umpiring, as BFUSA rightfully points out the dud stirs up the umpire bashers but surely it is obvious that our chief umpire loather is taking the piss on a weekly basis.

I believed TJ, but I think he erred going public without corroborating evidence.

[saynta]

Anybody remember 'Sirengate'?
Amazing all those 'mistakes'.
And I believe Tony Jones' account of what he overheard the umpire say afterwards.

TJ wouldn’t risk his reputation as a journalist reporting the news to make that up. Too much for him to lose. It happened. 100%.

Interesting to note, when journos say things we want to hear they are reputable and have integrity, but when they say things we don’t like (Barrett about Hannerbry for example) they are part of the scum AFL media who have no ethics and invent stories from nowhere.

Maybe something to think about.

You are welcome to have your opinions and thoughts. And you are welcome to continue to play your little game where you stir up passionate fans by saying they are delusional when they think umpires or media are unfair.

Here are the facts that lead me to my conclusion and opinion.

I dealt with journalists for 20 years on a professional level. I worked at a level that had me (and my staff) representing all the major sports, entertainment and lifestyle brands in Australia. That includes consulting to the AFL for 4 of those 20 years. It is a decade since I got out of that game.

I had dealings with TJ for 10 to 15 years.

TJ isn’t a journalist with a history of sensationalism.

The fact that he came out with that info was a huge risk for him and to his reputation. He would have known the backlash he was going to get (and got) from AFL HQ.

It was actually a bad move for him to come forward.

He came forward because it was the right thing to do.

And TJ is not a Saints fan and is certainly not delusional.

Slow down, no need to get snippy, I didn’t say TJs story was true or not, just pointing out how posters like to flip-flop on who is credible depending on the news being delivered.

Also, posters on here seem to genuinely think there is an AFL backed conspiracy against St Kilda to intermittently umpire badly against us in games, for... I’m still not sure what exact reason. And I’m the one “playing games” and “stirring”?! Yeah ok then. I would say I’m more “holding up a mirror”.

In my job I have to deal with people daily who, despite having no actual knowledge about the subject or the inner workings going on, feel they have the right to publicly make ridiculously false claims and call in to question the integrity of numerous professional and hard working people purely because they didn’t like an outcome or decision made. And the best bit is they can’t be properly called out for the rubbish they spew because the people who they attack have professional standards they have to maintain.

Maybe posters should extend the same respect you have for TJ’s integrity in his profession to the umpires who are also professionals doing their job (an extremely difficult job NO ONE on here has any relevant experience doing) to the best of their ability.

Your slurs against genuine fans of the club who know the rules and football are outrageous. I believe that's who you are talking about, not your claimed "clients" .

I don't know the reasons that the saints get a s*** deal from your so called professionals but it has been going on for years.

At the weekend you only had to look at the illegal treatment handed out to Membray and Bruce and then contrast that with the tiggy touch wood frees given to the Roos by a so called professional, who I will publicly label either biased or a cheat, to know something stinks in AFL land.

You don't even have the guts to acknowledge that the whispers in the sky really happened, nor that Milne and Sneider were robbed of legitimate free kicks for most of their careers.

I pity the poor bastards that you have to dealings with in your role of a janitor, And for the record I have no respect for your opinions on the umpiring fraternity as you are clearly biased towards them.

[Shaggy]

In my job I have to deal with people daily who, despite having no actual knowledge about the subject or the inner workings going on, feel they have the right to publicly make ridiculously false claims and call in to question the integrity of numerous professional and hard working people purely because they didn’t like an outcome or decision made.

It sounds like you work at Saintsational.

[saynta]

In my job I have to deal with people daily who, despite having no actual knowledge about the subject or the inner workings going on, feel they have the right to publicly make ridiculously false claims and call in to question the integrity of numerous professional and hard working people purely because they didn’t like an outcome or decision made.

It sounds like you work at Saintsational.

Well, maybe, as that's who he is talking about not some make believe made up client base.

Or the maggots association's complaint line

[The_Dud]

Dudley, it's a proven and irrefutable fact that struggling teams get a bum wrap with the umpires. That's not a conspiracy but it is our current reality.

Folk on here are just venting because they're not allowed to vent anymore at the football because feelings might get hurt. It's just letting off a bit of steam and it's harmless. Not sure why you need to continually get your knickers in a knot about it.

Firstly, “proven and irrefutable fact”? Link please.

Secondly, if the above is true, saying less skilled teams generally make more mistakes therefore giving away more free kicks sounds perfectly reasonable to me, no sign of a conspiracy.

Thirdly, folks are allowed to vent at the football. And the poster who spams the match thread purely about umpiring every week is not at the game.

Fourthly, there’s a difference between “letting off a bit of steam” and having numerous threads dedicated to absurd conspiracies that attack the character of umpires and implies they are the reason we are losing games and not reasons under the St Kilda FC control. And I’m also allowed to point out how ridiculous they’re being.

And finally, I don’t think my knickers have ever been knotted?

You're allowed and so am I, but so is Curly. It's called FREE SPEECH.

There's no link and I don't need to prove anything. I said we generally get a bum wrap with the umpires. That's it. You're welcome to disprove it, but I really don't care.

I did not use the word "conspiracy"? (possibly the most misused and misunderstood word in the lingua franca).

Finally, your work is irrelevant to AFL umpiring, though, just like your posting style, it just sounds to me that you and your employer think that you are above public criticism. That doesn't sound very transparent and accountable to me, more like hubris and exceptionalism. I just hope they aren't abusing their power because I don't reckon self-reflection is one of your key strengths, Dudley.

“Proven and irrefutable fact” got downgraded to “There's no link and I don't need to prove anything. I said we generally get a bum wrap with the umpires” pretty quick there! And the burden of proof is on the one making the assertion, Pav.

Free speech again? (Next you’ll be telling me about your right to bear arms). Free speech is not speech free from consequences. If you say dumb stuff be prepared for someone to call you on it.

I only referenced my work to emphasise my position in response to BFTUSA doing the same thing first to explain his position.

And believe me, if my workplace was any more transparent it would be declared a safety hazard.

[saynta]

[
Free speech again? (Next you’ll be telling me about your right to bear arms). Free speech is not speech free from consequences. If you say dumb stuff be prepared for someone to call you on it.

You got that right. You say dumb stuff all the time.

Pot kettle black.

Exhibit one your Honour. Leigh Fisher.

Right to bear arms. f*** me, this isn't the good ol' US of A and thank god for that.

Your losing it dudley, big time.

Anyway, I think that the frees for and against stats for the past 12 years provide ample proof of pav's claim.

[SaintPav]

Dudley, it's a proven and irrefutable fact that struggling teams get a bum wrap with the umpires. That's not a conspiracy but it is our current reality.

Folk on here are just venting because they're not allowed to vent anymore at the football because feelings might get hurt. It's just letting off a bit of steam and it's harmless. Not sure why you need to continually get your knickers in a knot about it.

Firstly, “proven and irrefutable fact”? Link please.

Secondly, if the above is true, saying less skilled teams generally make more mistakes therefore giving away more free kicks sounds perfectly reasonable to me, no sign of a conspiracy.

Thirdly, folks are allowed to vent at the football. And the poster who spams the match thread purely about umpiring every week is not at the game.

Fourthly, there’s a difference between “letting off a bit of steam” and having numerous threads dedicated to absurd conspiracies that attack the character of umpires and implies they are the reason we are losing games and not reasons under the St Kilda FC control. And I’m also allowed to point out how ridiculous they’re being.

And finally, I don’t think my knickers have ever been knotted?

You're allowed and so am I, but so is Curly. It's called FREE SPEECH.

There's no link and I don't need to prove anything. I said we generally get a bum wrap with the umpires. That's it. You're welcome to disprove it, but I really don't care.

I did not use the word "conspiracy"? (possibly the most misused and misunderstood word in the lingua franca).

Finally, your work is irrelevant to AFL umpiring, though, just like your posting style, it just sounds to me that you and your employer think that you are above public criticism. That doesn't sound very transparent and accountable to me, more like hubris and exceptionalism. I just hope they aren't abusing their power because I don't reckon self-reflection is one of your key strengths, Dudley.

“Proven and irrefutable fact” got downgraded to “There's no link and I don't need to prove anything. I said we generally get a bum wrap with the umpires” pretty quick there! And the burden of proof is on the one making the assertion, Pav.

Free speech again? (Next you’ll be telling me about your right to bear arms). Free speech is not speech free from consequences. If you say dumb stuff be prepared for someone to call you on it.

I only referenced my work to emphasise my position in response to BFTUSA doing the same thing first to explain his position.

And believe me, if my workplace was any more transparent it would be declared a safety hazard.

There's not a link to everything and there aren't any easy answers. You just can't "Google it". Do your own original research and analysis, which I'm sure will find that we do really really well with the umps.

The old actions have consequences faulty argument. Oooh, I'm so scared.

Dudley's been triggered. Someone call a wambulance!!

NEWS FLASH: Venting about umpiring is not considered hate speech!

Gun control!? Now that's a good one, but it's irrelevant.

The Dudley doth protest too much about their purpose, methinks. It sounds like you're rationalising, which means that your workplace is opaque and corrupt.

[kosifantutti]

The final tally for Foot was 12 to North and 0 StKilda. (+4 goals)

The other two umpires gave 12 to North and 16 to StKilda.

It is not only the ones he gives against us but the several he refuses to give to the saints and it is this way EVERY time he umpires our matches.

I’m calling bulls*** on these stats. As well as those on Leigh Fisher.

I tried to check out our frees and it is very difficult to work out who is paying frees as half the time the umpire is off screen and you would have to know the umpire’s voice.

But at 18:00 minutes to go in the second quarter, umpire number 2 clearly pays holding the ball to Newnes. So any suggestion that he paid 0 free kicks to us is clearly false.

[B.M]

Why would TJ make it up?

Definitely true imo, and the game in question showed it to be fact. We were Rogered,,,

[sunsaint]

Plain and simple different teams get umpired differently. You watch a Collingwood game then watch ours and compare interpretations of the rules for there players and ours. Watch a EAGLES game and try and work out what we do wrong.

but curly - clearly as you pointed out in the north vs pies game the free kick tally has little to do with the games result
the rest is just whinging

[CURLY]

Plain and simple different teams get umpired differently. You watch a Collingwood game then watch ours and compare interpretations of the rules for there players and ours. Watch a EAGLES game and try and work out what we do wrong.

but curly - clearly as you pointed out in the north vs pies game the free kick tally has little to do with the games result
the rest is just whinging

You get gifted 7 goals in a game you win it's simple. If Collingwood got reamed like us they would have lost by 20 goals.

[The_Dud]

Dudley, it's a proven and irrefutable fact that struggling teams get a bum wrap with the umpires. That's not a conspiracy but it is our current reality.

Folk on here are just venting because they're not allowed to vent anymore at the football because feelings might get hurt. It's just letting off a bit of steam and it's harmless. Not sure why you need to continually get your knickers in a knot about it.

Firstly, “proven and irrefutable fact”? Link please.

Secondly, if the above is true, saying less skilled teams generally make more mistakes therefore giving away more free kicks sounds perfectly reasonable to me, no sign of a conspiracy.

Thirdly, folks are allowed to vent at the football. And the poster who spams the match thread purely about umpiring every week is not at the game.

Fourthly, there’s a difference between “letting off a bit of steam” and having numerous threads dedicated to absurd conspiracies that attack the character of umpires and implies they are the reason we are losing games and not reasons under the St Kilda FC control. And I’m also allowed to point out how ridiculous they’re being.

And finally, I don’t think my knickers have ever been knotted?

You're allowed and so am I, but so is Curly. It's called FREE SPEECH.

There's no link and I don't need to prove anything. I said we generally get a bum wrap with the umpires. That's it. You're welcome to disprove it, but I really don't care.

I did not use the word "conspiracy"? (possibly the most misused and misunderstood word in the lingua franca).

Finally, your work is irrelevant to AFL umpiring, though, just like your posting style, it just sounds to me that you and your employer think that you are above public criticism. That doesn't sound very transparent and accountable to me, more like hubris and exceptionalism. I just hope they aren't abusing their power because I don't reckon self-reflection is one of your key strengths, Dudley.

“Proven and irrefutable fact” got downgraded to “There's no link and I don't need to prove anything. I said we generally get a bum wrap with the umpires” pretty quick there! And the burden of proof is on the one making the assertion, Pav.

Free speech again? (Next you’ll be telling me about your right to bear arms). Free speech is not speech free from consequences. If you say dumb stuff be prepared for someone to call you on it.

I only referenced my work to emphasise my position in response to BFTUSA doing the same thing first to explain his position.

And believe me, if my workplace was any more transparent it would be declared a safety hazard.

There's not a link to everything and there aren't any easy answers. You just can't "Google it". Do your own original research and analysis, which I'm sure will find that we do really really well with the umps.

The old actions have consequences faulty argument. Oooh, I'm so scared.

Dudley's been triggered. Someone call a wambulance!!

NEWS FLASH: Venting about umpiring is not considered hate speech!

Gun control!? Now that's a good one, but it's irrelevant.

The Dudley doth protest too much about their purpose, methinks. It sounds like you're rationalising, which means that your workplace is opaque and corrupt.

Gee whiz, you old fellas have really gone off the deep end! I’ll try piece together that last lot of random sentences you tried to string together

If you didn’t understand the US references, that’s ok, I’ll be sure to make them more obvious in future

Love how after wiping the egg off your face over your "proven and irrefutable fact" where you don't actually have any proof or facts, you try to recover by goading me with a very juvenile and lazy 'wambulance' dig. But when i look a bit closer...

That's not very nice.

Calling fellow posters "nuffies with no f****** idea is highly offensive.

I hope someone reports you.

Sorry, so who was triggered again? I guess people are so easily offended these days...

[sunsaint]

Plain and simple different teams get umpired differently. You watch a Collingwood game then watch ours and compare interpretations of the rules for there players and ours. Watch a EAGLES game and try and work out what we do wrong.

but curly - clearly as you pointed out in the north vs pies game the free kick tally has little to do with the games result
the rest is just whinging

You get gifted 7 goals in a game you win it's simple. If Collingwood got reamed like us they would have lost by 20 goals.

see you just make stuff up

[StPeter]

The final tally for Foot was 12 to North and 0 StKilda. (+4 goals)

The other two umpires gave 12 to North and 16 to StKilda.

It is not only the ones he gives against us but the several he refuses to give to the saints and it is this way EVERY time he umpires our matches.

I’m calling bulls*** on these stats. As well as those on Leigh Fisher.

I tried to check out our frees and it is very difficult to work out who is paying frees as half the time the umpire is off screen and you would have to know the umpire’s voice.

But at 18:00 minutes to go in the second quarter, umpire number 2 clearly pays holding the ball to Newnes. So any suggestion that he paid 0 free kicks to us is clearly false.

I accept that my stats for the North and Suns game could be out by one or two either way but the premise of my posts is still correct. Even the official AFL stats can be incorrect by a small margin on many occasions.

I challenge you to take out your own stats of these two matches and you will see how close I am. In fact take out stats on just about any St KIlda match that Nick Foot has umpired over the past seven years and you will find the evidence overwhelming.

[Joffa Burns]

The final tally for Foot was 12 to North and 0 StKilda. (+4 goals)

The other two umpires gave 12 to North and 16 to StKilda.

It is not only the ones he gives against us but the several he refuses to give to the saints and it is this way EVERY time he umpires our matches.

I’m calling bulls*** on these stats. As well as those on Leigh Fisher.

I tried to check out our frees and it is very difficult to work out who is paying frees as half the time the umpire is off screen and you would have to know the umpire’s voice.

But at 18:00 minutes to go in the second quarter, umpire number 2 clearly pays holding the ball to Newnes. So any suggestion that he paid 0 free kicks to us is clearly false.

I accept that my stats for the North and Suns game could be out by one or two either way but the premise of my posts is still correct. Even the official AFL stats can be incorrect by a small margin on many occasions.

I challenge you to take out your own stats of these two matches and you will see how close I am. In fact take out stats on just about any St KIlda match that Nick Foot has umpired over the past seven years and you will find the evidence overwhelming.

I’m with Kossi here, an umpire has gone 20 zip against us and nothing has been said by the club and the guy retains his job.

Further more St Peter, I believe the onus of proof belongs to the person making the claim. Making a baseless claim that is almost impossible to prove correct or incorrect then challenging others to prove you wrong is very Donald like.

IMO you have noticed an umpire who appears to give us a dud run and have made up some stats to attempt to prove your theory.

I challenge you to prove me wrong.