Saints offer big money for untried ruckman

[BarryGrogan]

In what world is an Essendon VFL player who has already done a knee, worth $425k a year for a guaranteed 4 years? Or whatever the deal is.

Sorry - it stinks

Apparently Sydney want him, and so do Essendon.

So if we want him, we're going to have to pay for it. Pretty simple.


Unless of course, this is just yet another classic case of the old 'tell the media that the Saints or North have offered him squillions in order to bump up his value' trick.

[saintsRrising]

Look as a one off it would be ok. Problem is at the Saints gaining players who are injured happens way too often. Cumulatively that means we carry a very large risk.

[takeaway]

And exactly how "damaged" is he?
Have you talked to the player or his doctor or manager?
No, of course not. You have NFI like the rest of us. I bet no one has even heard of him.

For all we know he will be ready for pre-season and his body will be a 100% fine. He might be a great ruck prospect that all recruiters are massive on.

Geez this place is moronic sometimes.

Agree totally with your above quote Ted, you would have to be a moron to make a medical assessment on a players injury without medical knowledge or access to the medical staff who worked on or rehabilitation staff who work with the player.

Out of interest when did your opinion change in regard to medical opinion being required before assessment or judgement?

Because you seemed to be able to comment below on Tom Mitchell's injury without knowledge or information.

He will never be the same footy player again.

He will never be the same footy player again.

Silly quote Ted, unless you are his surgeon you have no idea.

Think N. Brown, think G. Rohan, plus countless others that have had similar injuries. He will really struggle to be the footballer he was before. That is fact unfortunately.

Reiterate, very silly quote Ted.

Unless you have the details of the injury and have sound medical knowledge you have no idea.

Rohan and Brown had horrific multiple compound fractures. I have not seen x-rays of Mitchell’s leg so I don’t know the extent of the damage.

Dozens of players have had broken legs and returned without issue, the two you refer were very bad complicated injuries.

He may never be the same, may be just as good or end up better, I don’t know and you don’t either.

Repeat. Will not be the same player. Good luck to him but he won't be back to his best. History and statistics prove this fact.

I think the time's come Joffa. You and Ted will have to get a divorce. It's just not working.

I know you are besotted, spending hours a day trawling through Ted's post history, but it's just not going to achieve anything. You CAN do it, and there are plenty of others out there.

Save you a lot of time as well, you can get on with your life.

[SaintPav]

And exactly how "damaged" is he?
Have you talked to the player or his doctor or manager?
No, of course not. You have NFI like the rest of us. I bet no one has even heard of him.

For all we know he will be ready for pre-season and his body will be a 100% fine. He might be a great ruck prospect that all recruiters are massive on.

Geez this place is moronic sometimes.

Agree totally with your above quote Ted, you would have to be a moron to make a medical assessment on a players injury without medical knowledge or access to the medical staff who worked on or rehabilitation staff who work with the player.

Out of interest when did your opinion change in regard to medical opinion being required before assessment or judgement?

Because you seemed to be able to comment below on Tom Mitchell's injury without knowledge or information.

He will never be the same footy player again.

He will never be the same footy player again.

Silly quote Ted, unless you are his surgeon you have no idea.

Think N. Brown, think G. Rohan, plus countless others that have had similar injuries. He will really struggle to be the footballer he was before. That is fact unfortunately.

Reiterate, very silly quote Ted.

Unless you have the details of the injury and have sound medical knowledge you have no idea.

Rohan and Brown had horrific multiple compound fractures. I have not seen x-rays of Mitchell’s leg so I don’t know the extent of the damage.

Dozens of players have had broken legs and returned without issue, the two you refer were very bad complicated injuries.

He may never be the same, may be just as good or end up better, I don’t know and you don’t either.

Repeat. Will not be the same player. Good luck to him but he won't be back to his best. History and statistics prove this fact.

I think the time's come Joffa. You and Ted will have to get a divorce. It's just not working.

I know you are besotted, spending hours a day trawling through Ted's post history, but it's just not going to achieve anything. You CAN do it, and there are plenty of others out there.

Save you a lot of time as well, you can get on with your life.

But you are guilty of the same act.

Fkn absolutely priceless.

[BarryGrogan]

Look a as one off it would be ok. Problem is at the Saints gaining players who are injured happens way too often. Cumulatively that means we carry a very large risk.

Do we though?

Hawthorn just sold the farm for O'Meara, and recruited Scully.
They also got Burgoyne who had knee tendonitis.

Geelong recruited Rohan, Stanley and Ablett.

West Coast selected Judd when his shoulders were no good.

North took Higgins and Waite.

Freo took Hogan and Bennell.

Richmond just took Lynch.

Collingwood paid big bucks for Wells and took Stephenson knowing he has heart issues.


And that's just off the top of my head.


We took Freeman, Hannebury and King. And Bytel. Only Freeman was a real risk in terms of his injuries though, the others were merely time related.

[Joffa Burns]

And exactly how "damaged" is he?
Have you talked to the player or his doctor or manager?
No, of course not. You have NFI like the rest of us. I bet no one has even heard of him.

For all we know he will be ready for pre-season and his body will be a 100% fine. He might be a great ruck prospect that all recruiters are massive on.

Geez this place is moronic sometimes.

Agree totally with your above quote Ted, you would have to be a moron to make a medical assessment on a players injury without medical knowledge or access to the medical staff who worked on or rehabilitation staff who work with the player.

Out of interest when did your opinion change in regard to medical opinion being required before assessment or judgement?

Because you seemed to be able to comment below on Tom Mitchell's injury without knowledge or information.

He will never be the same footy player again.

He will never be the same footy player again.

Silly quote Ted, unless you are his surgeon you have no idea.

Think N. Brown, think G. Rohan, plus countless others that have had similar injuries. He will really struggle to be the footballer he was before. That is fact unfortunately.

Reiterate, very silly quote Ted.

Unless you have the details of the injury and have sound medical knowledge you have no idea.

Rohan and Brown had horrific multiple compound fractures. I have not seen x-rays of Mitchell’s leg so I don’t know the extent of the damage.

Dozens of players have had broken legs and returned without issue, the two you refer were very bad complicated injuries.

He may never be the same, may be just as good or end up better, I don’t know and you don’t either.

Repeat. Will not be the same player. Good luck to him but he won't be back to his best. History and statistics prove this fact.

I think the time's come Joffa. You and Ted will have to get a divorce. It's just not working.

I know you are besotted, spending hours a day trawling through Ted's post history, but it's just not going to achieve anything. You CAN do it, and there are plenty of others out there.

Save you a lot of time as well, you can get on with your life.

Looks like you are prone to premature evaluation on the medical front yourself tedaway!

Good diagnosis from you after Paddy was concussed below.
lucky you are not part of the medical team as you'd have splashed some water on his head and sent him back out there

No. Just rubbing his head after 2 quarters with a helmet on, as anyone would.

[Joffa Burns]

And exactly how "damaged" is he?
Have you talked to the player or his doctor or manager?
No, of course not. You have NFI like the rest of us. I bet no one has even heard of him.

For all we know he will be ready for pre-season and his body will be a 100% fine. He might be a great ruck prospect that all recruiters are massive on.

Geez this place is moronic sometimes.

Agree totally with your above quote Ted, you would have to be a moron to make a medical assessment on a players injury without medical knowledge or access to the medical staff who worked on or rehabilitation staff who work with the player.

Out of interest when did your opinion change in regard to medical opinion being required before assessment or judgement?

Because you seemed to be able to comment below on Tom Mitchell's injury without knowledge or information.

He will never be the same footy player again.

He will never be the same footy player again.

Silly quote Ted, unless you are his surgeon you have no idea.

Think N. Brown, think G. Rohan, plus countless others that have had similar injuries. He will really struggle to be the footballer he was before. That is fact unfortunately.

Reiterate, very silly quote Ted.

Unless you have the details of the injury and have sound medical knowledge you have no idea.

Rohan and Brown had horrific multiple compound fractures. I have not seen x-rays of Mitchell’s leg so I don’t know the extent of the damage.

Dozens of players have had broken legs and returned without issue, the two you refer were very bad complicated injuries.

He may never be the same, may be just as good or end up better, I don’t know and you don’t either.

Repeat. Will not be the same player. Good luck to him but he won't be back to his best. History and statistics prove this fact.

I’m no medical doctor, but I don’t think Ted will ever be the same poster after that burn

And let’s not forget the infamous “corked ass, storm in a teacup”!

Not forgetting this gem from Doctor parkeyted....

Paddy and Robbo maybe right for Rd 1

Personal health is most important but let's hope these little hiccups they went through prove to be ok.

[takeaway]

And exactly how "damaged" is he?
Have you talked to the player or his doctor or manager?
No, of course not. You have NFI like the rest of us. I bet no one has even heard of him.

For all we know he will be ready for pre-season and his body will be a 100% fine. He might be a great ruck prospect that all recruiters are massive on.

Geez this place is moronic sometimes.

Agree totally with your above quote Ted, you would have to be a moron to make a medical assessment on a players injury without medical knowledge or access to the medical staff who worked on or rehabilitation staff who work with the player.

Out of interest when did your opinion change in regard to medical opinion being required before assessment or judgement?

Because you seemed to be able to comment below on Tom Mitchell's injury without knowledge or information.

He will never be the same footy player again.

He will never be the same footy player again.

Silly quote Ted, unless you are his surgeon you have no idea.

Think N. Brown, think G. Rohan, plus countless others that have had similar injuries. He will really struggle to be the footballer he was before. That is fact unfortunately.

Reiterate, very silly quote Ted.

Unless you have the details of the injury and have sound medical knowledge you have no idea.

Rohan and Brown had horrific multiple compound fractures. I have not seen x-rays of Mitchell’s leg so I don’t know the extent of the damage.

Dozens of players have had broken legs and returned without issue, the two you refer were very bad complicated injuries.

He may never be the same, may be just as good or end up better, I don’t know and you don’t either.

Repeat. Will not be the same player. Good luck to him but he won't be back to his best. History and statistics prove this fact.

I think the time's come Joffa. You and Ted will have to get a divorce. It's just not working.

I know you are besotted, spending hours a day trawling through Ted's post history, but it's just not going to achieve anything. You CAN do it, and there are plenty of others out there.

Save you a lot of time as well, you can get on with your life.

Looks like you are prone to premature evaluation on the medical front yourself tedaway!

Good diagnosis from you after Paddy was concussed below.
lucky you are not part of the medical team as you'd have splashed some water on his head and sent him back out there

No. Just rubbing his head after 2 quarters with a helmet on, as anyone would.

You're right, I probably would have. Whether it would have made any difference, as the symptoms arose quite some period later, I'm not sure.

[saintsRrising]

Look a as one off it would be ok. Problem is at the Saints gaining players who are injured happens way too often. Cumulatively that means we carry a very large risk.

Do we though?

Hawthorn just sold the farm for O'Meara, and recruited Scully.
They also got Burgoyne who had knee tendonitis.

Geelong recruited Rohan, Stanley and Ablett.

West Coast selected Judd when his shoulders were no good.

North took Higgins and Waite.

Freo took Hogan and Bennell.

Richmond just took Lynch.

Collingwood paid big bucks for Wells and took Stephenson knowing he has heart issues.


And that's just off the top of my head.


We took Freeman, Hannebury and King. And Bytel. Only Freeman was a real risk in terms of his injuries though, the others were merely time related.

Quoting other clubs is pretty meaningless as my point was that it has not gone well for StKilda when we have gone that way.

I am trying to think which injured recruit we picked up that worked out for us? The Bi-polar Barrot did not go well for us. From Michael Jez on it has been a pretty grim record.

Gardiner is about the only one I can think of? He played some great footy, but also missed a lot of games with us.

Mind you the one player who had an injury cloud that we did not pick was Judd and that probably cost us two flags.

[BarryGrogan]

Look a as one off it would be ok. Problem is at the Saints gaining players who are injured happens way too often. Cumulatively that means we carry a very large risk.

Do we though?

Hawthorn just sold the farm for O'Meara, and recruited Scully.
They also got Burgoyne who had knee tendonitis.

Geelong recruited Rohan, Stanley and Ablett.

West Coast selected Judd when his shoulders were no good.

North took Higgins and Waite.

Freo took Hogan and Bennell.

Richmond just took Lynch.

Collingwood paid big bucks for Wells and took Stephenson knowing he has heart issues.


And that's just off the top of my head.


We took Freeman, Hannebury and King. And Bytel. Only Freeman was a real risk in terms of his injuries though, the others were merely time related.

Quoting other clubs is pretty meaningless as my point was that it has not gone well for StKilda when we have gone that way.

I am trying to think which injured recruit we picked up that worked out for us? The Bi-polar Barrot did not go well for us. From Michael Jez on it has been a pretty grim record.

Gardiner is about the only one I can think of? He played some great footy, but also missed a lot of games with us.

Mind you the one player who had an injury cloud that we did not pick was Judd and that probably cost us two flags.

?

Who hasn't gone well?

Only Freeman that I'm aware of.

[saintsRrising]

Look a as one off it would be ok. Problem is at the Saints gaining players who are injured happens way too often. Cumulatively that means we carry a very large risk.

Do we though?

Hawthorn just sold the farm for O'Meara, and recruited Scully.
They also got Burgoyne who had knee tendonitis.

Geelong recruited Rohan, Stanley and Ablett.

West Coast selected Judd when his shoulders were no good.

North took Higgins and Waite.

Freo took Hogan and Bennell.

Richmond just took Lynch.

Collingwood paid big bucks for Wells and took Stephenson knowing he has heart issues.


And that's just off the top of my head.


We took Freeman, Hannebury and King. And Bytel. Only Freeman was a real risk in terms of his injuries though, the others were merely time related.

Quoting other clubs is pretty meaningless as my point was that it has not gone well for StKilda when we have gone that way.

I am trying to think which injured recruit we picked up that worked out for us? The Bi-polar Barrot did not go well for us. From Michael Jez on it has been a pretty grim record.

Gardiner is about the only one I can think of? He played some great footy, but also missed a lot of games with us.

Mind you the one player who had an injury cloud that we did not pick was Judd and that probably cost us two flags.

?

Who hasn't gone well?

Only Freeman that I'm aware of.

Players with Clouds:
Barrot 2 games.
Michael Jez 0 games
Smith
Lawrence- some value but stayed a bad boy and ran off the rails
Paddy


Players with clouds that went elsewhere and did well include Joel Smith, Everitt, Hall, Lappin (? our skinny defender), Guerra....

As I posted earlier in principle I don't have a problem, but we do not seem to manage players with clouds well. I am really hoping that King and Bytel will be the start of more positive outcomes.

[takeaway]

And exactly how "damaged" is he?
Have you talked to the player or his doctor or manager?
No, of course not. You have NFI like the rest of us. I bet no one has even heard of him.

For all we know he will be ready for pre-season and his body will be a 100% fine. He might be a great ruck prospect that all recruiters are massive on.

Geez this place is moronic sometimes.

Agree totally with your above quote Ted, you would have to be a moron to make a medical assessment on a players injury without medical knowledge or access to the medical staff who worked on or rehabilitation staff who work with the player.

Out of interest when did your opinion change in regard to medical opinion being required before assessment or judgement?

Because you seemed to be able to comment below on Tom Mitchell's injury without knowledge or information.

He will never be the same footy player again.

He will never be the same footy player again.

Silly quote Ted, unless you are his surgeon you have no idea.

Think N. Brown, think G. Rohan, plus countless others that have had similar injuries. He will really struggle to be the footballer he was before. That is fact unfortunately.

Reiterate, very silly quote Ted.

Unless you have the details of the injury and have sound medical knowledge you have no idea.

Rohan and Brown had horrific multiple compound fractures. I have not seen x-rays of Mitchell’s leg so I don’t know the extent of the damage.

Dozens of players have had broken legs and returned without issue, the two you refer were very bad complicated injuries.

He may never be the same, may be just as good or end up better, I don’t know and you don’t either.

Repeat. Will not be the same player. Good luck to him but he won't be back to his best. History and statistics prove this fact.

I think the time's come Joffa. You and Ted will have to get a divorce. It's just not working.

I know you are besotted, spending hours a day trawling through Ted's post history, but it's just not going to achieve anything. You CAN do it, and there are plenty of others out there.

Save you a lot of time as well, you can get on with your life.

But you are guilty of the same act.

Fkn absolutely priceless.

What act? No idea what you are referring to.

[satchmo]

Just like most clubs we will (and should) be scouring the mullock heaps of other clubs, searching for a discarded gem. Doesn't mean we will/can get him.

[saintsRrising]

I will say that with our current form and recent seasons that big fish will be out of our grasp and do the club will need to target some less likely players.

Hard to see the Dons playing nice at the trade table though.

[saintsRrising]

I will say that with our current form and recent seasons that big fish will be out of our grasp and do the club will need to target some less likely players.

Hard to see the Dons playing nice at the trade table though.

[Greg T]

Rather get Ryder to help Marshall if possible

[Wayne42]

The way the Saints are recruiting we should change our name to The StKilda Crocs.

We should then talk Croc Media into becoming our Major sponsor.

No wonder the footy world is laughing at Stkilda right now.

What a croc.

[BarryGrogan]

The way the Saints are recruiting we should change our name to The StKilda Crocs.

We should then talk Croc Media into becoming our Major sponsor.

No wonder the footy world is laughing at Stkilda right now.

What a croc.

Interesting comment.

I think our recruiting has been really good.


I went through the past 10 years of drafting and recruiting, and I don't think we've missed the mark much at all.

[SaintPav]

**** me dead.

[BarryGrogan]

**** me dead.

Who should have we got, that we didn't?

Not who we could have got, but should have.


Go back through the last 10 years like I did, and tell me who we should have got.

[Harves Man]

And exactly how "damaged" is he?
Have you talked to the player or his doctor or manager?
No, of course not. You have NFI like the rest of us. I bet no one has even heard of him.

For all we know he will be ready for pre-season and his body will be a 100% fine. He might be a great ruck prospect that all recruiters are massive on.

Geez this place is moronic sometimes.

Agree totally with your above quote Ted, you would have to be a moron to make a medical assessment on a players injury without medical knowledge or access to the medical staff who worked on or rehabilitation staff who work with the player.

Out of interest when did your opinion change in regard to medical opinion being required before assessment or judgement?

Because you seemed to be able to comment below on Tom Mitchell's injury without knowledge or information.

He will never be the same footy player again.

He will never be the same footy player again.

Silly quote Ted, unless you are his surgeon you have no idea.

Think N. Brown, think G. Rohan, plus countless others that have had similar injuries. He will really struggle to be the footballer he was before. That is fact unfortunately.

Reiterate, very silly quote Ted.

Unless you have the details of the injury and have sound medical knowledge you have no idea.

Rohan and Brown had horrific multiple compound fractures. I have not seen x-rays of Mitchell’s leg so I don’t know the extent of the damage.

Dozens of players have had broken legs and returned without issue, the two you refer were very bad complicated injuries.

He may never be the same, may be just as good or end up better, I don’t know and you don’t either.

Repeat. Will not be the same player. Good luck to him but he won't be back to his best. History and statistics prove this fact.

I think the time's come Joffa. You and Ted will have to get a divorce. It's just not working.

I know you are besotted, spending hours a day trawling through Ted's post history, but it's just not going to achieve anything. You CAN do it, and there are plenty of others out there.

Save you a lot of time as well, you can get on with your life.

Looks like you are prone to premature evaluation on the medical front yourself tedaway!

Good diagnosis from you after Paddy was concussed below.
lucky you are not part of the medical team as you'd have splashed some water on his head and sent him back out there

No. Just rubbing his head after 2 quarters with a helmet on, as anyone would.

Genuinely really funny - I laughed my head off, reading this!

[Devilhead]

Lots of Essendon supporters saying they should match our contract offer despite the acl injury concern - they rate him

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

And exactly how "damaged" is he?
Have you talked to the player or his doctor or manager?
No, of course not. You have NFI like the rest of us. I bet no one has even heard of him.

For all we know he will be ready for pre-season and his body will be a 100% fine. He might be a great ruck prospect that all recruiters are massive on.

Geez this place is moronic sometimes.

Agree totally with your above quote Ted, you would have to be a moron to make a medical assessment on a players injury without medical knowledge or access to the medical staff who worked on or rehabilitation staff who work with the player.

Out of interest when did your opinion change in regard to medical opinion being required before assessment or judgement?

Because you seemed to be able to comment below on Tom Mitchell's injury without knowledge or information.

He will never be the same footy player again.

He will never be the same footy player again.

Silly quote Ted, unless you are his surgeon you have no idea.

Think N. Brown, think G. Rohan, plus countless others that have had similar injuries. He will really struggle to be the footballer he was before. That is fact unfortunately.

Reiterate, very silly quote Ted.

Unless you have the details of the injury and have sound medical knowledge you have no idea.

Rohan and Brown had horrific multiple compound fractures. I have not seen x-rays of Mitchell’s leg so I don’t know the extent of the damage.

Dozens of players have had broken legs and returned without issue, the two you refer were very bad complicated injuries.

He may never be the same, may be just as good or end up better, I don’t know and you don’t either.

Repeat. Will not be the same player. Good luck to him but he won't be back to his best. History and statistics prove this fact.

I think the time's come Joffa. You and Ted will have to get a divorce. It's just not working.

I know you are besotted, spending hours a day trawling through Ted's post history, but it's just not going to achieve anything. You CAN do it, and there are plenty of others out there.

Save you a lot of time as well, you can get on with your life.

But you are guilty of the same act.

Fkn absolutely priceless.

What act? No idea what you are referring to.

Ignore the crap Takers.

Corfe doesn't seem to enjoy Mondays. He endlessly trawls through old posts and manipulates them to his liking without any context. Pretty sad.

[Joffa Burns]

And exactly how "damaged" is he?
Have you talked to the player or his doctor or manager?
No, of course not. You have NFI like the rest of us. I bet no one has even heard of him.

For all we know he will be ready for pre-season and his body will be a 100% fine. He might be a great ruck prospect that all recruiters are massive on.

Geez this place is moronic sometimes.

Agree totally with your above quote Ted, you would have to be a moron to make a medical assessment on a players injury without medical knowledge or access to the medical staff who worked on or rehabilitation staff who work with the player.

Out of interest when did your opinion change in regard to medical opinion being required before assessment or judgement?

Because you seemed to be able to comment below on Tom Mitchell's injury without knowledge or information.

He will never be the same footy player again.

He will never be the same footy player again.

Silly quote Ted, unless you are his surgeon you have no idea.

Think N. Brown, think G. Rohan, plus countless others that have had similar injuries. He will really struggle to be the footballer he was before. That is fact unfortunately.

Reiterate, very silly quote Ted.

Unless you have the details of the injury and have sound medical knowledge you have no idea.

Rohan and Brown had horrific multiple compound fractures. I have not seen x-rays of Mitchell’s leg so I don’t know the extent of the damage.

Dozens of players have had broken legs and returned without issue, the two you refer were very bad complicated injuries.

He may never be the same, may be just as good or end up better, I don’t know and you don’t either.

Repeat. Will not be the same player. Good luck to him but he won't be back to his best. History and statistics prove this fact.

I think the time's come Joffa. You and Ted will have to get a divorce. It's just not working.

I know you are besotted, spending hours a day trawling through Ted's post history, but it's just not going to achieve anything. You CAN do it, and there are plenty of others out there.

Save you a lot of time as well, you can get on with your life.

But you are guilty of the same act.

Fkn absolutely priceless.

What act? No idea what you are referring to.

Ignore the crap Takers.

Corfe doesn't seem to enjoy Mondays. He endlessly trawls through old posts and manipulates them to his liking without any context. Pretty sad.

I think you have the days if the week mixed up Tedaway, this should help you.

[SaintPav]

**** me dead.

Who should have we got, that we didn't?

Not who we could have got, but should have.


Go back through the last 10 years like I did, and tell me who we should have got.