Appoint Ratten Now

This unofficial St Kilda Saints fan forum is for people of all ages to chat Saints Footy and all posts must be respectful.

Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators

tony74
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2002
Joined: Thu 23 Sep 2010 11:35am
Been thanked: 1215 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800584Post tony74 »

Scott


saint1974
Club Player
Posts: 425
Joined: Mon 01 Sep 2008 4:31pm
Location: Melbourne
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 8 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800585Post saint1974 »

tony74 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 10:55amScott
?
When


Crossy66
Club Player
Posts: 1096
Joined: Fri 28 Nov 2014 5:33pm
Has thanked: 331 times
Been thanked: 268 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800587Post Crossy66 »

tony74 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 10:55amScott
Watters ?


whiskers3614
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4567
Joined: Thu 20 May 2010 11:49pm
Has thanked: 120 times
Been thanked: 315 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800588Post whiskers3614 »

Crossy66 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 11:02am
tony74 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 10:55amScott
Watters ?
Don!


User avatar
skeptic
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 17053
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 7:10pm
Has thanked: 3665 times
Been thanked: 2927 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800590Post skeptic »

Crossy66 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 11:02am
tony74 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 10:55amScott
Watters ?
Chris?


axcellence
Club Player
Posts: 1364
Joined: Sun 03 Oct 2004 8:45pm
Has thanked: 93 times
Been thanked: 93 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800594Post axcellence »

tony74 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 10:55amScott
Please no...

Would prefer Ratten / Caracella


freely
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2080
Joined: Fri 07 Jun 2013 1:03pm
Has thanked: 224 times
Been thanked: 344 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800596Post freely »

Caracella - please, please.
But my fear is -
Scott may be a done deal.


Laurie
Club Player
Posts: 525
Joined: Tue 21 Feb 2012 1:59pm
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 108 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800600Post Laurie »

I think you will find Scott is a done deal as it is becoming a boys club with Lethlean and Finnis in charge there is your problem.
They have no previous club experience in running a club so yes we cop them.
Top clubs have Top administrators just like any business


User avatar
HighettMan
Club Player
Posts: 499
Joined: Sat 11 May 2019 7:00pm
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 94 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800611Post HighettMan »

The reason posters on here are saying please, please, please not Scott is for no other reason other than they don't like how he comes across in press conferences. They wouldn't have a clue if he is a good coach or not or if he can improve our club or send it backwards. How can anyone make such dogmatic calls based on what they see on a TV screen. Just astoundingly dumb.


Have the courage to call out r ACE ism
Viscount Jeremiah
Club Player
Posts: 338
Joined: Wed 23 May 2018 12:51pm
Has thanked: 34 times
Been thanked: 101 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800625Post Viscount Jeremiah »

I don't mind Scott, got pretty decent performances out of a team that was never that talented


tony74
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2002
Joined: Thu 23 Sep 2010 11:35am
Been thanked: 1215 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800648Post tony74 »

He’s got what a lot of our players need. A bit of &$*# in him.


ss1986
Club Player
Posts: 610
Joined: Mon 11 Sep 2017 5:32pm
Has thanked: 267 times
Been thanked: 177 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800649Post ss1986 »

HighettMan wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 12:13pm The reason posters on here are saying please, please, please not Scott is for no other reason other than they don't like how he comes across in press conferences. They wouldn't have a clue if he is a good coach or not or if he can improve our club or send it backwards. How can anyone make such dogmatic calls based on what they see on a TV screen. Just astoundingly dumb.
I want to see a process respected.

If Al Clarkson came out at the end of the season and said he is done with Hawthorn and wants a new challenge, and we miss him because Lethers and Finnis in their infinite wisdom are on a promise to their mate Brad Scott, I’d burn the joint down myself.


User avatar
HighettMan
Club Player
Posts: 499
Joined: Sat 11 May 2019 7:00pm
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 94 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800654Post HighettMan »

ss1986 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 1:56pm
HighettMan wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 12:13pm The reason posters on here are saying please, please, please not Scott is for no other reason other than they don't like how he comes across in press conferences. They wouldn't have a clue if he is a good coach or not or if he can improve our club or send it backwards. How can anyone make such dogmatic calls based on what they see on a TV screen. Just astoundingly dumb.
I want to see a process respected.

If Al Clarkson came out at the end of the season and said he is done with Hawthorn and wants a new challenge, and we miss him because Lethers and Finnis in their infinite wisdom are on a promise to their mate Brad Scott, I’d burn the joint down myself.
I hope our home security agencies have you on a watch.

So you want a process that gives you indirect facilitators a coach that is good in press conferences?


Have the courage to call out r ACE ism
freely
SS Hall of Fame
Posts: 2080
Joined: Fri 07 Jun 2013 1:03pm
Has thanked: 224 times
Been thanked: 344 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800655Post freely »

HighettMan wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 12:13pm The reason posters on here are saying please, please, please not Scott is for no other reason other than they don't like how he comes across in press conferences. They wouldn't have a clue if he is a good coach or not or if he can improve our club or send it backwards. How can anyone make such dogmatic calls based on what they see on a TV screen. Just astoundingly dumb.
Yeah, it's true. I don't know him personally. Now I come to think of it, I don't personally know any of the players, the coaches, the boot studders, the umps, or the other posters on this forum. Are we only supposed to post here if we do?


User avatar
HighettMan
Club Player
Posts: 499
Joined: Sat 11 May 2019 7:00pm
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 94 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800660Post HighettMan »

freely wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 2:07pm
HighettMan wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 12:13pm The reason posters on here are saying please, please, please not Scott is for no other reason other than they don't like how he comes across in press conferences. They wouldn't have a clue if he is a good coach or not or if he can improve our club or send it backwards. How can anyone make such dogmatic calls based on what they see on a TV screen. Just astoundingly dumb.
Yeah, it's true. I don't know him personally. Now I come to think of it, I don't personally know any of the players, the coaches, the boot studders, the umps, or the other posters on this forum. Are we only supposed to post here if we do?
LoL! I hope people post whatever they like, it's what makes this site boutique. I was just observing how how posters relentlessly post thier in depth hindsight of facts and analysis on why the incumbent must be publically stoned but can't really give us commensurate facts and analysis on the market of replacements. One poster is claiming he will blow things up if we miss out on Clarko so yeah Clarko probably picks himself as a good candidate to take a risk on for the painfully obvious flag numbers he has, but we aint getting Clarko. So I'm now looking forward to seeing pages and pages of threads of in depth analysis and facts dedicated to who the next coach should be and how and why he will improve us.

Any thickhead can critisise and be negative, now let's see the thinktank develop some positive intellectual property.


Have the courage to call out r ACE ism
ss1986
Club Player
Posts: 610
Joined: Mon 11 Sep 2017 5:32pm
Has thanked: 267 times
Been thanked: 177 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800662Post ss1986 »

HighettMan wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 2:05pm
ss1986 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 1:56pm
HighettMan wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 12:13pm The reason posters on here are saying please, please, please not Scott is for no other reason other than they don't like how he comes across in press conferences. They wouldn't have a clue if he is a good coach or not or if he can improve our club or send it backwards. How can anyone make such dogmatic calls based on what they see on a TV screen. Just astoundingly dumb.
I want to see a process respected.

If Al Clarkson came out at the end of the season and said he is done with Hawthorn and wants a new challenge, and we miss him because Lethers and Finnis in their infinite wisdom are on a promise to their mate Brad Scott, I’d burn the joint down myself.
I hope our home security agencies have you on a watch.

So you want a process that gives you indirect facilitators a coach that is good in press conferences?
Al Clarkson is simply good in press conferences..... you actually know nothing about football.

Good day to you sir.


ss1986
Club Player
Posts: 610
Joined: Mon 11 Sep 2017 5:32pm
Has thanked: 267 times
Been thanked: 177 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800664Post ss1986 »

At this stage, a concrete pilon would be more value than this current coach


ss1986
Club Player
Posts: 610
Joined: Mon 11 Sep 2017 5:32pm
Has thanked: 267 times
Been thanked: 177 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800666Post ss1986 »

HighettMan wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 2:26pm
freely wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 2:07pm
HighettMan wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 12:13pm The reason posters on here are saying please, please, please not Scott is for no other reason other than they don't like how he comes across in press conferences. They wouldn't have a clue if he is a good coach or not or if he can improve our club or send it backwards. How can anyone make such dogmatic calls based on what they see on a TV screen. Just astoundingly dumb.
Yeah, it's true. I don't know him personally. Now I come to think of it, I don't personally know any of the players, the coaches, the boot studders, the umps, or the other posters on this forum. Are we only supposed to post here if we do?
LoL! I hope people post whatever they like, it's what makes this site boutique. I was just observing how how posters relentlessly post thier in depth hindsight of facts and analysis on why the incumbent must be publically stoned but can't really give us commensurate facts and analysis on the market of replacements. One poster is claiming he will blow things up if we miss out on Clarko so yeah Clarko probably picks himself as a good candidate to take a risk on for the painfully obvious flag numbers he has, but we aint getting Clarko. So I'm now looking forward to seeing pages and pages of threads of in depth analysis and facts dedicated to who the next coach should be and how and why he will improve us.

Any thickhead can critisise and be negative, now let's see the thinktank develop some positive intellectual property.
How dim are you? Really.

I clearly stated that IF Clarkson became available, which is a minute chance, and IF we are on a promise to Scott, which is or is not the case.... and IF it became apprent that because of that we missed Clarkson, then I’d be far from the only one carrying the torches... metaphorically speaking... just to clarify for any dimwit like yourself.


User avatar
asiu
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 10313
Joined: Thu 08 Apr 2010 8:11pm
Has thanked: 1327 times
Been thanked: 932 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800667Post asiu »

mongrel

i’m into that

better than being a bunch of give up butterboys

i’d be happy with that
i’d even buy a membership for next year


Image
.name the ways , thought manipulates the State of Presence away.

.tipara waranta kani nina-tu.
terry smith rules
SS Life Member
Posts: 2540
Joined: Mon 27 Jun 2005 1:27pm
Location: Abiding
Has thanked: 173 times
Been thanked: 385 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800669Post terry smith rules »

tony74 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 1:51pm He’s got what a lot of our players need. A bit of &$*# in him.
Maybe but you know who led the way for &#*”$ in those days at Brisbane?

M Voss

He deserves a second chance because he is now older and wiser

Scott deserves a second chance... why?


" A few will never give up on you. When you go back out on the field, those are the people I want in your minds. Those are the people I want in your hearts."

— Coach Eric Taylor - Friday Night Lights
ss1986
Club Player
Posts: 610
Joined: Mon 11 Sep 2017 5:32pm
Has thanked: 267 times
Been thanked: 177 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800671Post ss1986 »

terry smith rules wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 2:51pm
tony74 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 1:51pm He’s got what a lot of our players need. A bit of &$*# in him.
Maybe but you know who led the way for &#*”$ in those days at Brisbane?

M Voss

He deserves a second chance because he is now older and wiser

Scott deserves a second chance... why?
This. He is a mediocre underperformer, over a longer period than Richo.

Dont see him being a substantial upgrade.


satchmo
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6656
Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 12:24pm
Location: Hotel Bastardos
Has thanked: 198 times
Been thanked: 166 times
Contact:

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800678Post satchmo »

terry smith rules wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 2:51pm
tony74 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 1:51pm He’s got what a lot of our players need. A bit of &$*# in him.
Maybe but you know who led the way for &#*”$ in those days at Brisbane?

M Voss

He deserves a second chance because he is now older and wiser

Scott deserves a second chance... why?
I agree on Voss rather than scott. But HM is right to an extent...we really only see the public side of it. There's a lot more to it. Couldn't give a fat rat's clacker if the pressers are interesting.


*Allegedly.

Bring back Lucky Burgers, and nobody gets hurt.

You can't un-fry things.


Last Post
User avatar
HighettMan
Club Player
Posts: 499
Joined: Sat 11 May 2019 7:00pm
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 94 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800682Post HighettMan »

ss1986 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 3:05pm
terry smith rules wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 2:51pm
tony74 wrote: Sun 23 Jun 2019 1:51pm He’s got what a lot of our players need. A bit of &$*# in him.
Maybe but you know who led the way for &#*”$ in those days at Brisbane?

M Voss

He deserves a second chance because he is now older and wiser

Scott deserves a second chance... why?
This. He is a mediocre underperformer, over a longer period than Richo.

Dont see him being a substantial upgrade.
So you are demanding a process that let's Clarko just stoll into the club on a contract value that would be the biggest ever paid to a coach. That's one process.

I want to hear more about the 2nd process you must clearly be proposing for all other candidates.

What process would you put in place that ASSURES you recruit a coach who can improve on the incumbent's work. I'm assuming you work within the accredited 9001 system at KPMG.

Also can you give a detailed analysis of why Scott wouldn't be a substantial upgrade and also some details around the metrics for measuring such a confident assessment.


Have the courage to call out r ACE ism
ss1986
Club Player
Posts: 610
Joined: Mon 11 Sep 2017 5:32pm
Has thanked: 267 times
Been thanked: 177 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800692Post ss1986 »

If the stars aligned, allowing us to obtain the services of one of the most successful coaches of all time, and a proven trendsetter, you take it.

At a minimum, you have a process in place to interview all available candidates in any event.

If we have a process however that would put B.Scott against Clarko, on equal footing, and Scott came out ahead, I’d have serious questions over that process.

Assuming Clarko isnt available, I’d expect ALL candidates to present to a panel in the usual manner. Not be promised a job by a mate.

Brad Scott has achieved nothing of substance at North Melbourne - and the key metric is 0 premierships in 10 years.

That is not a substantial upgrade on either A.Richardson, or untried assistants such as Sam Mitchell, who, I consider to be a real leading candidate.


User avatar
asiu
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 10313
Joined: Thu 08 Apr 2010 8:11pm
Has thanked: 1327 times
Been thanked: 932 times

Re: Appoint Ratten Now

Post: # 1800693Post asiu »

Scott deserves a second chance... why?
he’s probably the only guy who’d take the job !

from that rabble
to this rabble

at least he’ll know what he’s in for


Image
.name the ways , thought manipulates the State of Presence away.

.tipara waranta kani nina-tu.
Post Reply