Until Richo gets the sack we are an ordinaly football team

[ace]

What rubbish to blame Richo.
With at least 4 or 5 players not good enough and the better ones with after effects from illness, Clarkson wouldn’t have done better.

Hear Hear. The reality is our cattle are not top quality.
But they are our cattle and Richo extracts plenty of milk.
Richo has got the players playing as team with good systems and structures.
But when the players don't bring their very best, oppositions are likely to run rings around them.
They are our players and our coach.
They give their best most of time but they are not elite.


I am reminded of a cartoon about a King.
The distressed adviser tells the King that the peasants are revolting.
The King calmly replies, I know my peasants are revolting but they are the only peasants I've got.

Our list is probably bottom two in quality and yet our boys beat Carlton last week, and even threaten the eight.
If you want to sack anyone go back in your time machine and sack recruiters Beveridge and Trout.
But realise their replacements may be no better.

[saintbob]

Time to go:

Richo and Hamill - No development under these two and no game plan

List Cloggers
Rowe
Armitage
Longer
Rice

[Peanut Farm]

Today's coach killers were:
Sinclair 0.3 & Kent 0.3
Coffield & Young were pathetic
Billings should be traded

[skeptic]

The whole club was ordinary today, to just blame Alan is unfair. Several players were not fit and many were left out for the same reason also. As bad as the side was, illness played a massive part - especially when you play in 30 degree heat.

I can't see how that explains the last 5 years though.

The exact same problems remain.

The same guys, that do the same things keep getting picked.
Given that Richo is so 'strong' on selection integrity, it can only mean that they're being instructed to do the things they're doing. I mean, they've been bombing it in mindlessly for 5 years now.

And if they're not, then the coach has dropped the ball by either failing to find a solution, and/or by continuing to select guys who can't or won't follow his instructions.

Just want to draw attention to this point.

5 years in...
Can’t play two ruckman in the team... Bruce continues to be the back up
Can’t recruit or develop classy, pacy mids
Play injured and unfit players
Players bomb the ball forward routinely
Woefully inaccurate in front of goal

As you said... has been going on for ages

[HardSaint]

9 players with less than 50 games were far superior to St Kilda's 9, and that was a big factor in today's game from what I saw.
The AFL has in recent years taken a strong interest in the Saints performance, viz the appointment of Simon Lethlean and others

I beg to differ here
Lethlean was appointed or more gifted a country governorship to allow the dust to settle in light of his indiscretions - nothing more than an opportunity to lay low and eventually be elevated back up to his nepotic place in the sun amongst his old bit network - One wonders, what actually went on with that appointment, was he foisyed on on the StKFC or were there actually people at StKFC who wanted him?

Well things didnt go to plan as Lethlean found himself smack bang in the the centre of an AFL project in which the wheels had fallen off - the StKFC under Finnis and Richardson in 2018. Lethlean was looking for the first bus out when a job at Melbourne came up - who can blame him? being exposed for being someone far less than your credentials would have the world believe is never something anyone wants to be made known, when your benefactors are your mates and the reason you have a top job is based on your mateship and not on your merits

I'm watching Lethlean more closely than Richardson at the moment and if nothing happens between now and the end of the season, the board MUST flush out Richardson, Finnis and Lethlean - the AFL toady system has failed us badly and, quite frankly, is killing us from within

[The OtherThommo]

What rubbish to blame Richo.
With at least 4 or 5 players not good enough and the better ones with after effects from illness, Clarkson wouldn’t have done better.

Tripe. There are swags of supporters who are way smarter than simply resorting to 'blame'.

How about some of the 'ya can't BLAME Richo' crowd actually knuckle down to a bit a cold, hard performance analysis.

I wouldn't claim to know Richo in any personal capacity, nor do I care to know Richo, or any other club 'official', as any sort of criterion that might influence what I see happening on and off the ground - I'm not that needy.

But, the 'cold dead eye' of analysing what I've seen over the last 1/2 dozen years tells me Richo is a bust.

He might be a nice guy, he may not- it's all irrelevant.

I'm interested in a manager's ability to maintain and evidence a consistent decision making integrity, from team selection, to young player development, to game day tactics that exhibit a consistency of strategic understanding.

Richo has shown me none of any of that.

Ergo, I concluded some time back that Richo is not a mid to top end AFL coach.

This is my right, thus far I have been proven right, and soon enough more important people than moi will be seen to agree that I (and many, many others) was right.

[The OtherThommo]

I am not sure what these admirable qualities and coaching philosophies of Richo's even are ... Someone please inform us all!

Sorry, m, not a sausage here.

[Furphy]

Confucius say: 'St. Kilda ordinaly team'

[The OtherThommo]

Confucius say: 'St. Kilda ordinaly team'

Now we've been to China, 'beer in a blue can', and we become able to get to grips with where Confucianism and Taoism overlap and intersect, we'll be world beaters.

Coaching wise, I can see some of that being a problem;

"Those who know do not say; those who say do not know." -Lao-tzu

"The superior men are sparing in their words and profuse in their deeds." -Confucius

[twirlyhair]

Currently fielding youngest team in the comp doesn't help.

[Laurie]

Our players are not as good as we make them out to be we just do not have the cattle lets face it.
It is easy to always point the finger at the coach.
For the supporters it is going to be another long period of heartache.We need to get it right at the top being administration it is a boys club waste of money recruiting Hannebry and if the rumour mill is right Brad Scott heading our way also.These guys making the decisions in Lethlean need to be accountable. It will be a long time until we land a big fish.Seriously who in their right mind would want to play for us .

[st.byron]

What rubbish to blame Richo.
With at least 4 or 5 players not good enough and the better ones with after effects from illness, Clarkson wouldn’t have done better.

Tripe. There are swags of supporters who are way smarter than simply resorting to 'blame'.

How about some of the 'ya can't BLAME Richo' crowd actually knuckle down to a bit a cold, hard performance analysis.

I wouldn't claim to know Richo in any personal capacity, nor do I care to know Richo, or any other club 'official', as any sort of criterion that might influence what I see happening on and off the ground - I'm not that needy.

But, the 'cold dead eye' of analysing what I've seen over the last 1/2 dozen years tells me Richo is a bust.

He might be a nice guy, he may not- it's all irrelevant.

I'm interested in a manager's ability to maintain and evidence a consistent decision making integrity, from team selection, to young player development, to game day tactics that exhibit a consistency of strategic understanding.

Richo has shown me none of any of that.

Ergo, I concluded some time back that Richo is not a mid to top end AFL coach.

This is my right, thus far I have been proven right, and soon enough more important people than moi will be seen to agree that I (and many, many others) was right.

Nailed it. Exactly.

[gone fission]

Currently fielding youngest team in the comp doesn't help.

False.

[spert]

Half time kids running around like chooks- that's more like Saints footy.

[twirlyhair]

Currently fielding youngest team in the comp doesn't help.

False.

Second youngest?

[saynta]

Our players are not as good as we make them out to be we just do not have the cattle lets face it.
It is easy to always point the finger at the coach.
For the supporters it is going to be another long period of heartache.We need to get it right at the top being administration it is a boys club waste of money recruiting Hannebry and if the rumour mill is right Brad Scott heading our way also.These guys making the decisions in Lethlean need to be accountable. It will be a long time until we land a big fish.Seriously who in their right mind would want to play for us .

Missing about 14 or 15 players on Sunday didn't help.

[skeptic]

Our players are not as good as we make them out to be we just do not have the cattle lets face it.
It is easy to always point the finger at the coach.
For the supporters it is going to be another long period of heartache.We need to get it right at the top being administration it is a boys club waste of money recruiting Hannebry and if the rumour mill is right Brad Scott heading our way also.These guys making the decisions in Lethlean need to be accountable. It will be a long time until we land a big fish.Seriously who in their right mind would want to play for us .

Missing about 14 or 15 players on Sunday didn't help.

And the 5 years before that?

[twirlyhair]

Currently fielding youngest team in the comp doesn't help.

False.

So at the start of the season, our games experience was 2550 which placed us 16th. Port who we played on the weekend came in 5th with 3167. With the loss of senior players at the start of the season, Carlisle, Steven, etc...I think it is fair to say that we are babies...just sayin.

[gone fission]

Currently fielding youngest team in the comp doesn't help.

False.

So at the start of the season, our games experience was 2550 which placed us 16th. Port who we played on the weekend came in 5th with 3167. With the loss of senior players at the start of the season, Carlisle, Steven, etc...I think it is fair to say that we are babies...just sayin.

Age and games experience are completely different stats, we aren't the lowest on either count so your point or points are both incorrect and irrelevant.

Interestingly the number of games played by younger players is 100% directly affected by the coaches choices over a number of years whether to play them or stick with mature players, so there should be absolutely no sympathy or free passes afforded to a coach who has been a catalyst in delivering a young group with very little experience.

[twirlyhair]

Currently fielding youngest team in the comp doesn't help.

False.

So at the start of the season, our games experience was 2550 which placed us 16th. Port who we played on the weekend came in 5th with 3167. With the loss of senior players at the start of the season, Carlisle, Steven, etc...I think it is fair to say that we are babies...just sayin.

Age and games experience are completely different stats, we aren't the lowest on either count so your point or points are both incorrect and irrelevant.

Interestingly the number of games played by younger players is 100% directly affected by the coaches choices over a number of years whether to play them or stick with mature players, so there should be absolutely no sympathy or free passes afforded to a coach who has been a catalyst in delivering a young group with very little experience.

Hmm the entire football industry would disagree with you. Experience and games played directly correlates with success. Successful clubs such as Hawthorn and Collingwood have therefore recruited experience, rather than rely on the draft like Carlton has. We would love to recruit seasoned professionals, but they won't come to us, as we are not the place they want to go to. Hannebury yes, others no.

[Crossy66]

Before China we are 5 and 5 and most pundits reckon we are doing well, injuries considered. I am told 8 players were hit with gastro and we have atleast 7 players to come back in over the next few weeks
So that's 15 players in total.
Yes, the sandy standard players were poor, but that cant all be leveled at the coaching staff

[saintadamski]

Time to go:

Richo and Hamill - No development under these two and no game plan

List Cloggers
Rowe
Armitage
Longer
Rice

Um I think the number of list cloggers is a fair bit longer than that...starting with Newnes and Sinclair

This is a terrible list. The midfield is the worst in the comp....there are so many C graders, it's ridiculous.

[ace]

What's up guys.
We are the second best team currently playing in China, the most populous nation on the planet.

[ace]

What's up guys.
We are the second best AFL team currently playing in China, the most populous nation on the planet.