Changes for bombers

[Aussie Jonestown]

Clark is too slow and Marshal is too tall.

My bad I got that around the wrong universe, Clark prefers lawn bowls and Marshall has an eating disorder.

Is this supposed to be funny?

[Scollop]

I don't know him and I don't know anyone that knows him, so this is only a question and I'm not making any accusations, but there was talk that Saints had a few players that like to party hard. Is he one of them? If so, his decision making and his skills could be affected and you can't blame his development. I firmly believe that if you abuse your body or drink excessively it will impact at the highest level. If he doesn't party harder than the next bloke then why has he stagnated? You can still improve your skills and your fitness and your decision making when you play for Sandy

Pure speculation with no basis in fact to back it up.

You're right. I apologise to Luke for even questioning the kid and his professionalism. I remember him getting handed the famous number 7 jumper from the great Lenny Hayes. What a proud day that would have been for Luke and his family.

I think I know what the problem is. He has stagnated because he has been under Richo too long. Look at the blokes who have shown good improvement with their football. Most of them have come from other clubs. Membrey got his first two years development from the Swans. Robbo with Freo. Steele from GWS and also Josh Bruce spent those all important early years at another club.

Even Mav was ok when we first got him as was Tom Hickey - both got their early AFL teachings elsewher. We've got guys like Paddy, Billings, and Lonie who came straight to us as 18 year olds and at times they've shown they were worthy and then at times shown they are VFL level only. Blake Acres, Luke Dunstan, Jack Newnes and a few others have had the same problem

We are getting the benefits of other clubs putting in the coaching and development for guys Wilkie, Parker, Young and even Long to some extent who spent a year or so with the Bulldogs

Maybe the best thing for our young players would be to have as little to do with Richo as possible. Playing for the magoos is a blessing in disguise. Just bide your time and you are better off at Sandringham

[Cairnsman]

I don't know him and I don't know anyone that knows him, so this is only a question and I'm not making any accusations, but there was talk that Saints had a few players that like to party hard. Is he one of them? If so, his decision making and his skills could be affected and you can't blame his development. I firmly believe that if you abuse your body or drink excessively it will impact at the highest level. If he doesn't party harder than the next bloke then why has he stagnated? You can still improve your skills and your fitness and your decision making when you play for Sandy

Pure speculation with no basis in fact to back it up.

You're right. I apologise to Luke for even questioning the kid and his professionalism. I remember him getting handed the famous number 7 jumper from the great Lenny Hayes. What a proud day that would have been for Luke and his family.

I think I know what the problem is. He has stagnated because he has been under Richo too long. Look at the blokes who have shown good improvement with their football. Most of them have come from other clubs. Membrey got his first two years development from the Swans. Robbo with Freo. Steele from GWS and also Josh Bruce spent those all important early years at another club.

Even Mav was ok when we first got him as was Tom Hickey - both got their early AFL teachings elsewher. We've got guys like Paddy, Billings, and Lonie who came straight to us as 18 year olds and at times they've shown they were worthy and then at times shown they are VFL level only. Blake Acres, Luke Dunstan, Jack Newnes and a few others have had the same problem

We are getting the benefits of other clubs putting in the coaching and development for guys Wilkie, Parker, Young and even Long to some extent who spent a year or so with the Bulldogs

Maybe the best thing for our young players would be to have as little to do with Richo as possible. Playing for the magoos is a blessing in disguise. Just bide your time and you are better off at Sandringham

Just curious, have you ever had any involvement with a footy club in any capacity?

[stonecold]

I don't know him and I don't know anyone that knows him, so this is only a question and I'm not making any accusations, but there was talk that Saints had a few players that like to party hard. Is he one of them? If so, his decision making and his skills could be affected and you can't blame his development. I firmly believe that if you abuse your body or drink excessively it will impact at the highest level. If he doesn't party harder than the next bloke then why has he stagnated? You can still improve your skills and your fitness and your decision making when you play for Sandy

Pure speculation with no basis in fact to back it up.

You're right. I apologise to Luke for even questioning the kid and his professionalism. I remember him getting handed the famous number 7 jumper from the great Lenny Hayes. What a proud day that would have been for Luke and his family.

I think I know what the problem is. He has stagnated because he has been under Richo too long. Look at the blokes who have shown good improvement with their football. Most of them have come from other clubs. Membrey got his first two years development from the Swans. Robbo with Freo. Steele from GWS and also Josh Bruce spent those all important early years at another club.

Even Mav was ok when we first got him as was Tom Hickey - both got their early AFL teachings elsewher. We've got guys like Paddy, Billings, and Lonie who came straight to us as 18 year olds and at times they've shown they were worthy and then at times shown they are VFL level only. Blake Acres, Luke Dunstan, Jack Newnes and a few others have had the same problem

We are getting the benefits of other clubs putting in the coaching and development for guys Wilkie, Parker, Young and even Long to some extent who spent a year or so with the Bulldogs

Maybe the best thing for our young players would be to have as little to do with Richo as possible. Playing for the magoos is a blessing in disguise. Just bide your time and you are better off at Sandringham

Just curious, have you ever had any involvement with a footy club in any capacity?

Very Doubtful I reckon, great question though!!!!!

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

We need Billy back Stoney. Tap rucks with the new 6-6-6 rule at centre bounces is massive now.

[guitars4]

We need Billy back Stoney. Tap rucks with the new 6-6-6 rule at centre bounces is massive now.

What is it with you guy's is there a new them against us mentality going on now.

[WellardSaint]

bombers fans are furious, total team kms was
147
next lowest, Carlton, was nearly 100 more.
And bombers had about 90 less possies than Giants.

They might come out firing, if they had any pride.
We have to be on our best behaviour,
and get rid of bad habits that sometimes flared up last week.

[Scollop]

I don't know him and I don't know anyone that knows him, so this is only a question and I'm not making any accusations, but there was talk that Saints had a few players that like to party hard. Is he one of them? If so, his decision making and his skills could be affected and you can't blame his development. I firmly believe that if you abuse your body or drink excessively it will impact at the highest level. If he doesn't party harder than the next bloke then why has he stagnated? You can still improve your skills and your fitness and your decision making when you play for Sandy

Pure speculation with no basis in fact to back it up.

You're right. I apologise to Luke for even questioning the kid and his professionalism. I remember him getting handed the famous number 7 jumper from the great Lenny Hayes. What a proud day that would have been for Luke and his family.

I think I know what the problem is. He has stagnated because he has been under Richo too long. Look at the blokes who have shown good improvement with their football. Most of them have come from other clubs. Membrey got his first two years development from the Swans. Robbo with Freo. Steele from GWS and also Josh Bruce spent those all important early years at another club.

Even Mav was ok when we first got him as was Tom Hickey - both got their early AFL teachings elsewher. We've got guys like Paddy, Billings, and Lonie who came straight to us as 18 year olds and at times they've shown they were worthy and then at times shown they are VFL level only. Blake Acres, Luke Dunstan, Jack Newnes and a few others have had the same problem

We are getting the benefits of other clubs putting in the coaching and development for guys Wilkie, Parker, Young and even Long to some extent who spent a year or so with the Bulldogs

Maybe the best thing for our young players would be to have as little to do with Richo as possible. Playing for the magoos is a blessing in disguise. Just bide your time and you are better off at Sandringham

Just curious, have you ever had any involvement with a footy club in any capacity?

Are you looking to attempt to belittle my posts and discredit me? There's a little function here on this forum called 'search'. All you need to do if you want to weigh up my opinions and my predictions versus yours or anyone's is read some of the search history. Happy for you to highlight mine from the last five years and I'll show some of yours

If it's a genuine question and there's a job offer you want to put to me, I can send you my cv.

[Cairnsman]

I don't know him and I don't know anyone that knows him, so this is only a question and I'm not making any accusations, but there was talk that Saints had a few players that like to party hard. Is he one of them? If so, his decision making and his skills could be affected and you can't blame his development. I firmly believe that if you abuse your body or drink excessively it will impact at the highest level. If he doesn't party harder than the next bloke then why has he stagnated? You can still improve your skills and your fitness and your decision making when you play for Sandy

Pure speculation with no basis in fact to back it up.

You're right. I apologise to Luke for even questioning the kid and his professionalism. I remember him getting handed the famous number 7 jumper from the great Lenny Hayes. What a proud day that would have been for Luke and his family.

I think I know what the problem is. He has stagnated because he has been under Richo too long. Look at the blokes who have shown good improvement with their football. Most of them have come from other clubs. Membrey got his first two years development from the Swans. Robbo with Freo. Steele from GWS and also Josh Bruce spent those all important early years at another club.

Even Mav was ok when we first got him as was Tom Hickey - both got their early AFL teachings elsewher. We've got guys like Paddy, Billings, and Lonie who came straight to us as 18 year olds and at times they've shown they were worthy and then at times shown they are VFL level only. Blake Acres, Luke Dunstan, Jack Newnes and a few others have had the same problem

We are getting the benefits of other clubs putting in the coaching and development for guys Wilkie, Parker, Young and even Long to some extent who spent a year or so with the Bulldogs

Maybe the best thing for our young players would be to have as little to do with Richo as possible. Playing for the magoos is a blessing in disguise. Just bide your time and you are better off at Sandringham

Just curious, have you ever had any involvement with a footy club in any capacity?

Are you looking to attempt to belittle my posts and discredit me? There's a little function here on this forum called 'search'. All you need to do if you want to weigh up my opinions and my predictions versus yours or anyone's is read some of the search history. Happy for you to highlight mine from the last five years and I'll show some of yours

If it's a genuine question and there's a job offer you want to put to me, I can send you my cv.

I don't need to discredit you. Speaking of discrediting, have you ever considered your relentless bullying of the coach is inappropriate?

[Scollop]

Bit of pot kettle there from you. Have I ever questioned Richo the person? Happy for you to keep pumping up the coach and most of the footy clubs' decisions. I am allowed to have a different opinion. I enjoy coming here for some informed football analysis and discussion and from time to time there are some great threads. Looking forward to reading your posts in those.

Is this a fan forum or is it more than that? If it's like a 360 session where the players, coaches and officials come for feedback, no wonder the club is stuffed.

I put it to you that in the long run; cheerleading from sycophants will do more harm than a few anonymous people like Con Gora or myself engaging in creative spleen venting

[bigcarl]

Richo’s got to find a say to get Marshall, Clark and Acres in.

It may need a bit of lateral thinking as none of the above are either half back flankers or small forwards. But good players you find a spot for them.

[Cairnsman]

Bit of pot kettle there from you. Have I ever questioned Richo the person? Happy for you to keep pumping up the coach and most of the footy clubs' decisions. I am allowed to have a different opinion. I enjoy coming here for some informed football analysis and discussion and from time to time there are some great threads. Looking forward to reading your posts in those.

Is this a fan forum or is it more than that? If it's like a 360 session where the players, coaches and officials come for feedback, no wonder the club is stuffed.

I put it to you that in the long run; cheerleading from sycophants will do more harm than a few anonymous people like Con Gora or myself engaging in creative spleen venting

So that's a no then, it's highly likely you didn't understand the question which more than likely means you were bullied as a kid, I'm assuming your are an adult of coarse.

What you are doing is bullying.

[takeaway]

Bit of pot kettle there from you. Have I ever questioned Richo the person? Happy for you to keep pumping up the coach and most of the footy clubs' decisions. I am allowed to have a different opinion. I enjoy coming here for some informed football analysis and discussion and from time to time there are some great threads. Looking forward to reading your posts in those.

Is this a fan forum or is it more than that? If it's like a 360 session where the players, coaches and officials come for feedback, no wonder the club is stuffed.

I put it to you that in the long run; cheerleading from sycophants will do more harm than a few anonymous people like Con Gora or myself engaging in creative spleen venting

Good idea

[vacuous space]

This is what I'm guessing:

IN: Marshall
OUT: Pierce

B: Jarryn Geary, Darragh Joyce, Daniel McKenzie
HB: Callum Wilkie, Josh Battle, Jimmy Webster
C: Jack Newnes, Jack Steele, Jack Billings
HF: Jade Gresham, Tim Membrey, Jack Lonie
F: Matt Parker, Josh Bruce, Dean Kent
FOLL: Rowan Marshall, Seb Ross, Jack Steven

I/C: Luke Dunstan, Ben Long, Shane Savage, Jack Sinclair

EMERG: Nathan Brown, Hunter Clark, Lewis Pierce, Robbie Young

Joyce deserves another game and I think he'll get it. Essendon don't really have a dominant big up forward. I don't think Brown has played since JLT1 and the only real problem with Joyce's game was the holding frees. He had 18 disposals, 9 of them contested and 12 of them intercepts. He also got his fist to the ball a lot. I can't see Brown coming in for Battle or Wilkie, the latter of whom Richo brought up unprompted in his presser twice.

Marshall comes in for Pierce. Nothing against Lewis, but I don't think Richo will ignore Marshall's form. I know a lot of people want a third tall, but I wouldn't expect any structural changes this week. I don't see any of the small forwards getting dropped. As for the midfield, as much as I'd like to get Clark in there, I don't think it will be this week. Dunstan had 13 contested possessions and 8 clearances in 72% game time. I don't think we're dropping any of the outside guys.

I'm starting to feeling the slightest twinge of optimism about this game. It's terrifying.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Forward line is very quick at the moment but we need an injection of speed in the middle/wings/hbf.

[spert]

Forward line is very quick at the moment but we need an injection of speed in the middle/wings/hbf.

Also need those small/ mid forwards to take more grabs- not good overhead down there

[DJ Higgins]

Kent will be cut for sure. This is passed on Richo coach message. Basically said it wasn't good enough. Joyce gets dropped as well because the most obvious thing missing from the backline was experience regarding kdp

[Scollop]

Bit of pot kettle there from you. Have I ever questioned Richo the person? Happy for you to keep pumping up the coach and most of the footy clubs' decisions. I am allowed to have a different opinion. I enjoy coming here for some informed football analysis and discussion and from time to time there are some great threads. Looking forward to reading your posts in those.

Is this a fan forum or is it more than that? If it's like a 360 session where the players, coaches and officials come for feedback, no wonder the club is stuffed.

I put it to you that in the long run; cheerleading from sycophants will do more harm than a few anonymous people like Con Gora or myself engaging in creative spleen venting

So that's a no then, it's highly likely you didn't understand the question which more than likely means you were bullied as a kid, I'm assuming your are an adult of coarse.

What you are doing is bullying.

Thanks for the psychoanalysis. I bet people don't need to be pychiatrists to guess what I think you should do

[bigred]

Joyce out for Brown.
Sinclair out for Clark.
And Ima' dropping Kent for Marshall.

We need two rucks this week.

[freely]

If Kent's dropped, maybe Young gets a guernsey. I'd like to see that. But bigred's changes look more likely.

[Cairnsman]

Bit of pot kettle there from you. Have I ever questioned Richo the person? Happy for you to keep pumping up the coach and most of the footy clubs' decisions. I am allowed to have a different opinion. I enjoy coming here for some informed football analysis and discussion and from time to time there are some great threads. Looking forward to reading your posts in those.

Is this a fan forum or is it more than that? If it's like a 360 session where the players, coaches and officials come for feedback, no wonder the club is stuffed.

I put it to you that in the long run; cheerleading from sycophants will do more harm than a few anonymous people like Con Gora or myself engaging in creative spleen venting

So that's a no then, it's highly likely you didn't understand the question which more than likely means you were bullied as a kid, I'm assuming your are an adult of coarse.

What you are doing is bullying.

Thanks for the psychoanalysis. I bet people don't need to be pychiatrists to guess what I think you should do

No analysis of any kind needed. Primary school kids can identify bullying of all types especially online bullying.

I note over at BF they have a rule for limiting posters making thier point, over, and over, and over, and over and over again.

We get it, you want to attack someone's character relentlessly until they are sacked. But as I say, even primary school kids are taught that is a form of bullying.

I don't understand how this type of bullying can make anyone feel better about themselves.

[sunsaint]

I note over at BF they have a rule for limiting posters making thier point, over, and over, and over, and over and over again.

heres a question - would that rule also be applied to posts that constantly say that everything is perfect at the saints ?

[sunsaint]

We get it, you want to attack someone's character relentlessly until they are sacked. But as I say, even primary school kids are taught that is a form of bullying.

pretty certain there arent too many posters that know Richo personally - so they cant be accused of bullying his character
If you want to talk about his public persona - then thats another issue - and certainly the decision to withdraw from 360 would give credence to that point of view
If you want to talk his ability as a coach - then again its not bullying to question that - he would do it constantly himself
and even our former captain riewoldt has done so in the media
If you just want to shut down any open discussion that carries a range of opinions
then its you thats doing the bullying

[Cairnsman]

I note over at BF they have a rule for limiting posters making thier point, over, and over, and over, and over and over again.

heres a question - would that rule also be applied to posts that constantly say that everything is perfect at the saints ?

That's a grey area in the rules from what I've learned and can be ruled on differently depending on whether it's the pre season or the H&A and it can also come down to the mood Simon is in.

Can I set you a challenge as a way of proving your claim is way off the mark with regards to my objectivity: please find one post of mine that makes the claim the Saints are perfect. What you might find if you do the search are posts from me that agree if Alan doesn't have good results early then he will have to be replaced. You will even find posts of mine since Sunday that are honest about how certain players didn't play so well.

The club is not perfect, but it is doing a lot more right and it is also in a much stronger position to handle a coach replacement this year. The media would have feasted on our carcus last year had they sacked Alan, whereas if we have poor results and have to let Alan go this season then most pundits in the media may be understanding that the club strengthened itself first to better handle a transition while at the same time giving Alan evey opportunity to turn results around.

[sunsaint]

sigh
no challenge at all - because I didnt accuse you of constantly posting all's perfect comments only

as for saying we are in a better position in 2019 to replace him could also be argued bullying
you will of course counter in the contrary

any way - no to Joyce being dropped