The Cho: vote now

[Enrico_Misso]

My goodness.
6 pages on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It must be November?

3 months since we last played.
3 months till we next play.

Nothing else to talk about!

[degruch]

Meh, I'm not giving an inch to troublemakers and their puerile BS on this forum, and the mods should see it exactly the same way. I believe we have a shortage of moderators, I'm happy to put my hand up, which given my record of level headed interaction on this forum I wouldn't expect too much resistance, and make the problem go away quick smart.

Regards,
de Grucho!

[rodgerfox]

It's clearly the off season with this sort of rubbish... FWIW, I'll indulge.

Firstly; 'the cho/cho is just a straight up stale nickname.

Secondly; some people have found it to be offensive and it actually is a known term that millenials get around - I asked an 18 y.o fellah yesterday whether he knew what it meant and he had a giggle then confirmed what is up on UD.

Thirdly; I liken this situation (whilst in no-way as heavy) similar to that of the Adam Goodes booing in that, a minority would be booing because of truly vindictive agendas whilst the majority did it for the 'fun' of it or just because everyone else was doing it. When Goodes came out and said that he found it offensive, then that should've been enough for normal people to cut it out, leaving only the twits behind to carry-on with it.

In summary; just because you don't find it offensive and don't mean to be derogatory in any way, then it should be easy enough to move on and use a colloquially accepted nickname.

And in the exact same way, it escalated once the AFL stepped in and tried to stop it.


However we're no talking racism here.

[Scollop]

It seems some of the people who are apparently against the use of the word cho or its variations, have just broken Simon's new ruling multiple times. I reckon the juveniles are having a lend of you and it's time to stop responding.

[samoht]

so is the issue "the cho" or the abuse? posters can use "the cho" if they write a supportive post?
perhaps you mistakenly think by eradicating the word you'll eradicate the abuse?
i've noticed every single abusive post seems to be by a saints supporter. if we ban them perhaps the abuse will stop.
perhaps just ban discussion about the coach full stop - every thread on him contains a fair bit of negativity. i'd hate to think people on the interweeb thingy will see those posts as permission to go carte blanche on criticising our coach.

you know the first thing repressive dictators and governments do is ban all forms of criticism. all discussion must be positive. they live a lie and try to enforce that upon the people. such a mindset is a dangerous thing.
as is a mindset whereby we actively pursue what we think is the 'best' world for our citizens, our family, our forum, and pursue this by curtailing individual freedoms that don't fit into this 'best' world view.
Voltaire: “The best is the enemy of the good.”
but others great minds thought similarly:
Confucius: "Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without."
Shakespeare: “Striving to better, oft we mar what's well.”

Criticism is fine, as I said. You're mixing ridicule and abuse with criticism - they are 2 different things.
"Cho" and "the Cho" is always followed by some negative comment that doesn't seek discussion. So I attach a negative association to it.
Let's take another negative word, "punk" .. if someone addresses you by "hey, punk", instead of using a friendly and courteous form of address, how
would you view it ... would you find it acceptable? what if they repeatedly refer to you as "punk" or "the punk" followed by a negative comment?

[outside66]

It's clearly the off season with this sort of rubbish... FWIW, I'll indulge.

Firstly; 'the cho/cho is just a straight up stale nickname.

Secondly; some people have found it to be offensive and it actually is a known term that millenials get around - I asked an 18 y.o fellah yesterday whether he knew what it meant and he had a giggle then confirmed what is up on UD.

Thirdly; I liken this situation (whilst in no-way as heavy) similar to that of the Adam Goodes booing in that, a minority would be booing because of truly vindictive agendas whilst the majority did it for the 'fun' of it or just because everyone else was doing it. When Goodes came out and said that he found it offensive, then that should've been enough for normal people to cut it out, leaving only the twits behind to carry-on with it.

In summary; just because you don't find it offensive and don't mean to be derogatory in any way, then it should be easy enough to move on and use a colloquially accepted nickname.

And in the exact same way, it escalated once the AFL stepped in and tried to stop it.


However we're no talking racism here.

The AFL didn't step in at all, that was the problem.

[desertsaint]

so is the issue "the cho" or the abuse? posters can use "the cho" if they write a supportive post?
perhaps you mistakenly think by eradicating the word you'll eradicate the abuse?
i've noticed every single abusive post seems to be by a saints supporter. if we ban them perhaps the abuse will stop.
perhaps just ban discussion about the coach full stop - every thread on him contains a fair bit of negativity. i'd hate to think people on the interweeb thingy will see those posts as permission to go carte blanche on criticising our coach.

you know the first thing repressive dictators and governments do is ban all forms of criticism. all discussion must be positive. they live a lie and try to enforce that upon the people. such a mindset is a dangerous thing.
as is a mindset whereby we actively pursue what we think is the 'best' world for our citizens, our family, our forum, and pursue this by curtailing individual freedoms that don't fit into this 'best' world view.
Voltaire: “The best is the enemy of the good.”
but others great minds thought similarly:
Confucius: "Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without."
Shakespeare: “Striving to better, oft we mar what's well.”

Criticism is fine, as I said. You're mixing ridicule and abuse with criticism - they are 2 different things.
"Cho" and "the Cho" is always followed by some negative comment that doesn't seek discussion. So I attach a negative association to it.
Let's take another negative word, "punk" .. if someone addresses you by "hey, punk", instead of using a friendly and courteous form of address, how
would you view it ... would you find it acceptable? what if they repeatedly refer to you as "punk" or "the punk" followed by a negative comment?

firstly no one is referring to richo directly. so if some people discussed me on some fan forum as 'the punk' i really wouldn't give a rats bum. secondly australians are famous for using derogatory nicknames. it's cultural and by itself not disrespectful at all.
thirdly, you are again mistakenly referring to 'the cho' as derogatory in meaning, but earlier admitted it wasn't.
if negative comments about the coaching staff worry you why even read a fan forum?

[kosifantutti]

If anyone wants to support the Saints rather than get involved in petty squabbles over semantics, feel free to get involved in our Sponsorship of Brandon White.

The link is in my signature.

[WellardSaint]

If anyone wants to support the Saints rather than get involved in petty squabbles over semantics, feel free to get involved in our Sponsorship of Brandon White.

The link is in my signature.

I find the use of the word 'White" highly offensive, as it implies 'white supremacist' and the word itself denies the existence of other colours.
So 'white' is racist and has no place on this forum.
In fact, 'white' is listed in the UD as having several sexual and vulgar connotations.

So there.

[kosifantutti]

If anyone wants to support the Saints rather than get involved in petty squabbles over semantics, feel free to get involved in our Sponsorship of Brandon White.

The link is in my signature.

I find the use of the word 'White" highly offensive, as it implies 'white supremacist' and the word itself denies the existence of other colours.
So 'white' is racist and has no place on this forum.
In fact, 'white' is listed in the UD as having several sexual and vulgar connotations.

So there.

How many shares can I put you down for?

[samoht]

Who cares about semantics, I just want to win the argument ... in a respectful manner.

At least we are having a civil discussion.

[WellardSaint]

If anyone wants to support the Saints rather than get involved in petty squabbles over semantics, feel free to get involved in our Sponsorship of Brandon White.

The link is in my signature.

I find the use of the word 'White" highly offensive, as it implies 'white supremacist' and the word itself denies the existence of other colours.
So 'white' is racist and has no place on this forum.
In fact, 'white' is listed in the UD as having several sexual and vulgar connotations.

So there.

How many shares can I put you down for?

It is a commonly accepted convention of English grammar, that one does not finish a sentence with a preposition.
Should read thus:
"For how many shares can I put you down, my kind learned and wise friend?"

[skeptic]

Who cares about semantics, I just want to win the argument ... in a respectful manner.

At least we are having a civil discussion.

All things considered I’d say its been very respectful

[Myron Gaines]

Any issues if I call our coach The Choey?

[Devilhead]

My goodness.
6 pages on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It must be November?

Wrong Enrico ......... its ...........Chovember!

[rodgerfox]

My goodness.
6 pages on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It must be November?

3 months since we last played.
3 months till we next play.

Nothing else to talk about!

Yeah, but watcho gonna do?

[rodgerfox]

Who cares about semantics, I just want to win the argument ... in a respectful manner.

At least we are having a civil discussion.

Err dude, if Cho actually means what you and two others believe it means - this is far from civil.

[degruch]

Well, I'm branding him with the endearing 'cho for our 2019 season, maybe with t-shirt and coffee mug merch in support. I think it gives him an air of cult status...what with a 33% strike rate and no-one but 2 complete losers on an obscure fan forum in his corner, the poor guy could use all the positive PR he can get! Our coaching department seemed to have had an ad hock feel about it in retrospect, but with some pretty nifty off-field appointments for 2019 I can't help but feel more positive about our coaching structure. I just hope it doesn't take them long to gel, given the numerous changes. I'm at least willing to give 'cho a go...but if we're looking shakey mid season it probably wouldn't take much to push me from pro-'cho to the no-'cho camp.

[sunsaint]

Wrong Enrico ......... its ...........Chovember!

and you know what happens at the end of the month...

[Devilhead]

Wrong Enrico ......... its ...........Chovember!

and you know what happens at the end of the month...

We start referring to the Coach as the Choach or the Coacho?

[Scollop]

Blokes chop the mo!!

So....perhaps it's time to cut cho

Hey....know what happens December 25?

Yo bro...It's hohoho

hehehehehe

[Devilhead]

Blokes chop the mo!!

So....perhaps it's time to cut cho

Hey....know what happens December 25?

Yo bro...It's hohoho

hehehehehe

CHO! CHO! CHO!
MERRY XMAS!!

The Choach is going nowhere

[stevie]

The phrase is stuck in my head now. I was reimagining the Beatles Sgt Pepper song:

‘We’re Sgt Allan’s Sainters Football Club band
We hope you will enjoy the Cho’

[bigred]

[Devilhead]

Flogging a dead Chorse