Hannebery Deal Tomorrow

[st.byron]

Deal was imminent, but is anyway.
Held up as Swans want to sort out possible Langdon trade first. Its been parked for now.

Parkey you could save yourself so much of people taking the piss and having a crack at you by just adding one thing to your pronouncements of what’s happening / going to happen.

Source. It has long been forum etiquette to post a source.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-11/m ... aints-move

[dragit]

We are becoming a combo of rehab clinic for players that will never get on the ground and retirement nest egg destination club.

A million dollars, 2nd rounder and 3 years for freezer.

3-4 million dollars, 2nd rounder, 4-5 years for hanners.

3 years and a million dollars for Kent.

[skeptic]

There is absolutely no way Pick 39 gets the job done.. we’re a basket case, will be the future second. At this rate we should get a priority pick anyway next year

If pick 39 is not enough we should walk away- he is simply not worth it. Its about time the saints showed some balls. Sydney don't want him- call their bluff, 39 or nothing

Agree with you 100%. We are regarded as a basket case and there for the pickings . Needs to change.

Not really our style as the Hickey trade showed...
Opposition clubs know that if they low ball us, we won’t walk away, simply acques.

Which other club would give up their most established ruck for pick 40 odd and downgrading other picks

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Should be sealed tomorrow.

[Cairnsman]

There is absolutely no way Pick 39 gets the job done.. we’re a basket case, will be the future second. At this rate we should get a priority pick anyway next year

If pick 39 is not enough we should walk away- he is simply not worth it. Its about time the saints showed some balls. Sydney don't want him- call their bluff, 39 or nothing

Agree with you 100%. We are regarded as a basket case and there for the pickings . Needs to change.

Not really our style as the Hickey trade showed...
Opposition clubs know that if they low ball us, we won’t walk away, simply acques.

Which other club would give up their most established ruck for pick 40 odd and downgrading other picks

You could argue that if Tom Hickey doesn't displace Nic Nat or Vardy as number 1 or 2 ruckman then history could prove the Saints got better value, especially if we can convert the pick into a serviceable midfielder thus in turn improving our midfield depth which arguably needs improving more than needing 4 ruck types.

[dragit]

There is absolutely no way Pick 39 gets the job done.. we’re a basket case, will be the future second. At this rate we should get a priority pick anyway next year

If pick 39 is not enough we should walk away- he is simply not worth it. Its about time the saints showed some balls. Sydney don't want him- call their bluff, 39 or nothing

Agree with you 100%. We are regarded as a basket case and there for the pickings . Needs to change.

Not really our style as the Hickey trade showed...
Opposition clubs know that if they low ball us, we won’t walk away, simply acques.

Which other club would give up their most established ruck for pick 40 odd and downgrading other picks

You could argue that if Tom Hickey doesn't displace Nic Nat or Vardy as number 1 or 2 ruckman then history could prove the Saints got better value, especially if we can convert the pick into a serviceable midfielder thus in turn improving our midfield depth which arguably needs improving more than needing 4 ruck types.

What are you on about cairnsman?

Nice Nat is out with knee reco, Vardy isn't a #1 ruck and has just clicked over 50 games at 27.

Hickey will play at least 20 games next year unless he gets injured.

[saintkid]

We are becoming a combo of rehab clinic for players that will never get on the ground and retirement nest egg destination club.

A million dollars, 2nd rounder and 3 years for freezer.

3-4 million dollars, 2nd rounder, 4-5 years for hanners.

3 years and a million dollars for Kent.

Totally agree. Why would A-graders want to come to St Kilda and be a part of a mediocre list that has gone backwards, be coached by the most boring ,clueless coach in the club's history and have confidence in an equally uninspiring, faceless CEO. Seriously, a meeting with Finnis and Richardson, is enough to make anyone with promise look elsewhere.

[saintsRrising]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-11/m ... aints-move

With the Pies involved you could imagine a three way of Hannas to us, Lonie to Pies and Langdon to Swans with some pick adjustments to fine tune things.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Some of you are very negative and depressing about the club. We have had some really top shelf off field additions already which should excite people and make them positive.

Players:
Kent in. Was in Melbourne's best 22 when fit.
Hannerbrey in. A grade player and leader. 3 x AA.
We will get a gun in the draft.
Possibly more to come.

[saintsRrising]

What are you on about cairnsman?

Nice Nat is out with knee reco, Vardy isn't a #1 ruck and has just clicked over 50 games at 27.

Hickey will play at least 20 games next year unless he gets injured.

Personally I see that Hickey is great pick-up for the way WCE like to play, and also that they have a large home ground.

WCE like 2 rucks in their team and they like them mobile.

Hickey can be No1 ruck in 2019 and in 2020 can play No 2 to Nic Nat where they both share the ruck and push forward.

WCE have plenty of marking power and a ruck like Hickey who can win a lot of possessions, covers the ground well should work in well with them.

[SuperDuper]

I guess that Sydney are weighing up a 2019 2nd rounder verses pick 39.

They would prefer the 2019 pick but they need points for Blakey .. so if they trade in Langdon they probably will be forced to take pick 39 to ensure they have enough points this year..

So, I for one hope they get Langdon, and thus take pick 39 ...

[Zed]

Would love to see another Schneider Dempster type deal with the Swans whereDempster was the steak knives. Probably the best value trade in the history of our club.

[SydneySainter]

Some of you are very negative and depressing about the club. We have had some really top shelf off field additions already which should excite people and make them positive.

Players:
Kent in. Was in Melbourne's best 22 when fit.
Hannerbrey in. A grade player and leader. 3 x AA.
We will get a gun in the draft.
Possibly more to come.

The club could trade in a dog turd wrapped in gold foil and you would be convinced it was a future brownlow medalist.

[Cairnsman]

There is absolutely no way Pick 39 gets the job done.. we’re a basket case, will be the future second. At this rate we should get a priority pick anyway next year

If pick 39 is not enough we should walk away- he is simply not worth it. Its about time the saints showed some balls. Sydney don't want him- call their bluff, 39 or nothing

Agree with you 100%. We are regarded as a basket case and there for the pickings . Needs to change.

Not really our style as the Hickey trade showed...
Opposition clubs know that if they low ball us, we won’t walk away, simply acques.

Which other club would give up their most established ruck for pick 40 odd and downgrading other picks

You could argue that if Tom Hickey doesn't displace Nic Nat or Vardy as number 1 or 2 ruckman then history could prove the Saints got better value, especially if we can convert the pick into a serviceable midfielder thus in turn improving our midfield depth which arguably needs improving more than needing 4 ruck types.

What are you on about cairnsman?

Nice Nat is out with knee reco, Vardy isn't a #1 ruck and has just clicked over 50 games at 27.

Hickey will play at least 20 games next year unless he gets injured.

So he's got not much to worry about until Nic Nats knee comes good. However Vardy starts off as No.1 Ruckman in 2019 as he's currently a demigod in WA after being a significant part of what will forever be one of West Coast's most famous chains of play.

So easy to predict he might play 20 games next year, it's the year after when the competition hots up. I'll be happy for him if he has a break out year and makes it hard for selectors when Nic Nat comes back.

[dragit]

There is absolutely no way Pick 39 gets the job done.. we’re a basket case, will be the future second. At this rate we should get a priority pick anyway next year

If pick 39 is not enough we should walk away- he is simply not worth it. Its about time the saints showed some balls. Sydney don't want him- call their bluff, 39 or nothing

Agree with you 100%. We are regarded as a basket case and there for the pickings . Needs to change.

Not really our style as the Hickey trade showed...
Opposition clubs know that if they low ball us, we won’t walk away, simply acques.

Which other club would give up their most established ruck for pick 40 odd and downgrading other picks

You could argue that if Tom Hickey doesn't displace Nic Nat or Vardy as number 1 or 2 ruckman then history could prove the Saints got better value, especially if we can convert the pick into a serviceable midfielder thus in turn improving our midfield depth which arguably needs improving more than needing 4 ruck types.

What are you on about cairnsman?

Nice Nat is out with knee reco, Vardy isn't a #1 ruck and has just clicked over 50 games at 27.

Hickey will play at least 20 games next year unless he gets injured.

So he's got not much to worry about until Nic Nats knee comes good. However Vardy starts off as No.1 Ruckman in 2019 as he's currently a demigod in WA after being a significant part of what will forever be one of West Coast's most famous chains of play.

So easy to predict he might play 20 games next year, it's the year after when the competition hots up. I'll be happy for him if he has a break out year and makes it hard for selectors when Nic Nat comes back.

No. Vardy doesn't start off as #1 ruckmen because is a very average ruckmen.

If and when Nic Nat comes back, hickey might be competing with Vardy if he isn't injured too.

Meanwhile we'll be on the bottom with longer shedding and wondering why the F we traded out hickey for peanuts.

[kalsaint]

If we in effect swap Hickey for Hannebery we have done well.

Very unlikely. The fact that Langdon is stopping the deal move forward suggests the Swans ar looking for more.

[skeptic]

There is absolutely no way Pick 39 gets the job done.. we’re a basket case, will be the future second. At this rate we should get a priority pick anyway next year

If pick 39 is not enough we should walk away- he is simply not worth it. Its about time the saints showed some balls. Sydney don't want him- call their bluff, 39 or nothing

Agree with you 100%. We are regarded as a basket case and there for the pickings . Needs to change.

Not really our style as the Hickey trade showed...
Opposition clubs know that if they low ball us, we won’t walk away, simply acques.

Which other club would give up their most established ruck for pick 40 odd and downgrading other picks

You could argue that if Tom Hickey doesn't displace Nic Nat or Vardy as number 1 or 2 ruckman then history could prove the Saints got better value, especially if we can convert the pick into a serviceable midfielder thus in turn improving our midfield depth which arguably needs improving more than needing 4 ruck types.

What are you on about cairnsman?

Nice Nat is out with knee reco, Vardy isn't a #1 ruck and has just clicked over 50 games at 27.

Hickey will play at least 20 games next year unless he gets injured.

So he's got not much to worry about until Nic Nats knee comes good. However Vardy starts off as No.1 Ruckman in 2019 as he's currently a demigod in WA after being a significant part of what will forever be one of West Coast's most famous chains of play.

So easy to predict he might play 20 games next year, it's the year after when the competition hots up. I'll be happy for him if he has a break out year and makes it hard for selectors when Nic Nat comes back.

No. Vardy doesn't start off as #1 ruckmen because is a very average ruckmen.

If and when Nic Nat comes back, hickey might be competing with Vardy if he isn't injured too.

Meanwhile we'll be on the bottom with longer shedding and wondering why the F we traded out hickey for peanuts.

My point is that Hickey was, IMO, worth more to them then what they gave up because of their circumstances. They need him more then we do. Yeah we got a fair deal for the trade but we should have been able to do better then fair like what other clubs do to us. We had pole position there.

The argument is not gee what a great loss Hickey will be... he was average for us and most objective fans can see that both he and Longer are/were not going to be good players for us.
The argument is is this a good deal. I reckon other clubs would have down a lot better then pick 39 and downgrade your others

[Shaggy]

My point is that Hickey was, IMO, worth more to them then what they gave up because of their circumstances. They need him more then we do. Yeah we got a fair deal for the trade but we should have been able to do better then fair like what other clubs do to us. We had pole position there.

The argument is not gee what a great loss Hickey will be... he was average for us and most objective fans can see that both he and Longer are/were not going to be good players for us.
The argument is is this a good deal. I reckon other clubs would have down a lot better then pick 39 and downgrade your others

The pick is fair.

We needed a 2nd round pick even if its late. Our rucks are recognised as close to the worst in the league.

Hickey is not the future.

Marshall on the other hand shows serious promise. If he can mature into a ruck he could be another Stef Martin.

One of Hickey or Longer needed to go.

[skeptic]

My point is that Hickey was, IMO, worth more to them then what they gave up because of their circumstances. They need him more then we do. Yeah we got a fair deal for the trade but we should have been able to do better then fair like what other clubs do to us. We had pole position there.

The argument is not gee what a great loss Hickey will be... he was average for us and most objective fans can see that both he and Longer are/were not going to be good players for us.
The argument is is this a good deal. I reckon other clubs would have down a lot better then pick 39 and downgrade your others

The pick is fair.

We needed a 2nd round pick even if its late. Our rucks are recognised as close to the worst in the league.

Hickey is not the future.

Marshall on the other hand shows serious promise. If he can mature into a ruck he could be another Stef Martin.

One of Hickey or Longer needed to go.

Both of them need to go... neither are the future.

Marshall has cemented his spot in the team as the relief ruck and Pierce is almost on par with them both.

Yes the pick is fair but fair doesn’t help us

[Shaggy]

Yes the pick is fair but fair doesn’t help us

Fair does help us.

No Hickey means Marshall will be played alot more in the ruck as will Pierce. They are the future.

Whether we get pick 39, 30 or 21 in return actually does not matter. It is what we do with the pick which counts.

Pick 39 may make the Hannebery deal happen. If it does it is such a good deal for us.

Hannebery for Hickey is a no brainer. They are both 27 years old but one is an all australian 3 times and a premiership player.

[skeptic]

Yes the pick is fair but fair doesn’t help us

Fair does help us.

No Hickey means Marshall will be played alot more in the ruck as will Pierce. They are the future.

Whether we get pick 39, 30 or 21 in return actually does not matter. It is what we do with the pick which counts.

Pick 39 may make the Hannebery deal happen. If it does it is such a good deal for us.

Hannebery for Hickey is a no brainer. They are both 27 years old but one is an all australian 3 times and a premiership player.

It’s not Hannebery for Hickey though... we’ve already given more then that with the swap of picks and it looks likely Sydney are holding out then just our late second rounder.

To your first point... Hickey wasn’t the reason Pierce and Marshall didn’t play more... that was Richo who chose not play them until both Longer and Hickey went down.
It was Richo that thought playing Paddy, Acres and Steele as second ruck ahead of Marshall was sensible

Your post is 2 different types of wrong

[Shaggy]

Yes the pick is fair but fair doesn’t help us

Fair does help us.

No Hickey means Marshall will be played alot more in the ruck as will Pierce. They are the future.

Whether we get pick 39, 30 or 21 in return actually does not matter. It is what we do with the pick which counts.

Pick 39 may make the Hannebery deal happen. If it does it is such a good deal for us.

Hannebery for Hickey is a no brainer. They are both 27 years old but one is an all australian 3 times and a premiership player.

It’s not Hannebery for Hickey though... we’ve already given more then that with the swap of picks and it looks likely Sydney are holding out then just our late second rounder.

To your first point... Hickey wasn’t the reason Pierce and Marshall didn’t play more... that was Richo who chose not play them until both Longer and Hickey went down.
It was Richo that thought playing Paddy, Acres and Steele as second ruck ahead of Marshall was sensible

Your post is 2 different types of wrong

Marshall, McCartin & Battle were competiting for spots as KPFs. I have no problem with that.

Do you think Richo should have kept McCartin & Battle in the VFL all year to play Marshall all year?

Marshall only kicked 6 goals in his 12 games so he is not our next Tony Lockett.

He needs to be developed into a first ruck which means Longer and Hickey need to step aside going forward.

Granted he was not physically ready this year which is why I am happy how he is being progressed.

[samuraisaint]

You make some good points, but let's be honest Marshall doesn't get the supply Lockett got either.

[No Holds Bard]

Deal was imminent, but is anyway.
Held up as Swans want to sort out possible Langdon trade first. Its been parked for now.

Parkey you could save yourself so much of people taking the piss and having a crack at you by just adding one thing to your pronouncements of what’s happening / going to happen.

Source. It has long been forum etiquette to post a source.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-11/m ... aints-move

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[dragit]

Yeah we got a fair deal for the trade but we should have been able to do better then fair like what other clubs do to us. We had pole position there.

I don't think we got a fair deal at all, and your point is right… when a player is contracted and playing regular football you don't look for a fair deal you need to leverage the situation so we actually improve.

We hand over our first choice ruckmen to the reigning premiers.

Upgrade pick 60 to pick 39

Downgrade a pick next year roughly 55 to 72

Woopee do, regardless of what you think of Hickey, we have once again completely folded in the negotiations.

I for one am sick of getting absolutely reamed every time we deal with West Coast.