AFL trade 2018 Is A Failure

[SydneySainter]

Actually, it all stems back to Drake and Huggins. Its their fault. Plus Bill Barrot from the 60's.

Didn’t you only just join this forum?

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Yeah. So?

[Flagless]

All this talk about Hanneberry adding on field leadership and setting training standards- what a load of rubbish. We had the best trainer in the comp for 12 years and the majority of the current crop played and trained with him (Reiwoldt). If they have forgotten how to train hard and how to apply it on game day then that is a coaching and assistant coaching issue. If we need to bring in a broken down slow midfielder with poor foot skills on $800k a year to teach the current group standards then we have truly lost the plot.
Now there is talk that Essendon are chasing Ben Long- if that come to fruition we may as well close up shop

[minneapolis]

What else happens in the trade period? And who wins the Caulfield Guineas? What's the weather like next Thursday? Lotto numbers might be handy too.

More trades. A horse. Cold and windy. 8, 11, 25, 33, 34 and 40.

[cwrcyn]

Shiel is getting less at Essendon, but I bet his parents will be soon living in a lovely new mansion. Essendon playing by the rule book? Pfft... give me a break

[Toy Saint]

North Melbourne are having a decent crack at this trade period.

[SydneySainter]

North Melbourne are having a decent crack at this trade period.

They’ve already got one exciting trade under their belt and very nearly got Gaff.

That’s a bit more than giving it a decent crack.

[Zed]

The part I don’t get ...
- we need another quality key defender. No attempts to get Langdon or Adams ? Langdon was amazing during finals and would be a good get; we have cash right ? How does Sydney lead this discussion ?

- we lack speed. Kent is Mav like, where is our crack at line breaker. No talk of Hall and little on Gaff pre Eagles signature. Why were North the front runnner.

- we have cash and lack class. Make it happen.

I hope there are surprises in the pipe to help deal with shortfalls... and we aren’t backing on same old same.

Some worrying early signs from Gags and Lethers.

I was a little surprised they didn’t keep Hugh Goddard for 1 more year considering Brown has reached his use-by date, they delisted Gilbo, Robbo can’t play as a tall (and we don’t exactly know if his ticker will play up again), and we aren’t flush with tall defenders. I would have thought 1 more year as insurance would have been prudent from the list manager.

I can only assume Gags and Lethers signed off on the Hickey deal which is frightening. Pick 39 for a contracted player who was arguably at least our equal number 1 ruckman. Barely a pass mark I would have thought - unless of course the Swans accept it for Hanners - which I doubt. Then we shoot ourselves in the foot even further by downgrading our 4th round pick next year by about 15 spots. Why do that ?. Shop him around , another club would have given us a pick aroond 39 give or take , without the extra hit.

And it smells a lot like we are taking the big injured fella King with pick 4 rather than a classy mid which we are screaming for. Mesmerised by Mason, it’s the Paddy v Petracca nightmare trap we are falling for again.

[guitars4]

I will wait until the end of the trade period before I make a proper assessment but have to say so far it has been very disappointing IMO. Lets hope we can get something happening in the last bit .

[CURLY]

I’m happy if we add Kent Hannerbery and pick 4.

Should be 3 starting best 22 with Roberton, Bruce Long, McCartin Acres fit.

[evo]

Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????

[CURLY]

Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????

Hannebery and Kent are both really good pick ups.

[stonecold]

Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????

So, let me get this right, are you saying Hickledik is better than Hanners?????

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

The trade period hasn't even finished.

[evo]

Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????

So, let me get this right, are you saying Hickledik is better than Hanners?????

No fan of hickey but hanners form this year isn't much better !

[degruch]

North Melbourne are having a decent crack at this trade period.

Yep, it could be North Melbourne of 1975 all over again...or Port Adelaide of 2018.

[iwantmeseats]

All this talk about Hanneberry adding on field leadership and setting training standards- what a load of rubbish. We had the best trainer in the comp for 12 years and the majority of the current crop played and trained with him (Reiwoldt). If they have forgotten how to train hard and how to apply it on game day then that is a coaching and assistant coaching issue. If we need to bring in a broken down slow midfielder with poor foot skills on $800k a year to teach the current group standards then we have truly lost the plot.
Now there is talk that Essendon are chasing Ben Long- if that come to fruition we may as well close up shop

This.
Nail.Head.

[derby Street]

The part I don’t get ...
- we need another quality key defender. No attempts to get Langdon or Adams ? Langdon was amazing during finals and would be a good get; we have cash right ? How does Sydney lead this discussion ?

- we lack speed. Kent is Mav like, where is our crack at line breaker. No talk of Hall and little on Gaff pre Eagles signature. Why were North the front runnner.

- we have cash and lack class. Make it happen.

I hope there are surprises in the pipe to help deal with shortfalls... and we aren’t backing on same old same.

Some worrying early signs from Gags and Lethers.

I was a little surprised they didn’t keep Hugh Goddard for 1 more year considering Brown has reached his use-by date, they delisted Gilbo, Robbo can’t play as a tall (and we don’t exactly know if his ticker will play up again), and we aren’t flush with tall defenders. I would have thought 1 more year as insurance would have been prudent from the list manager.

I can only assume Gags and Lethers signed off on the Hickey deal which is frightening. Pick 39 for a contracted player who was arguably at least our equal number 1 ruckman. Barely a pass mark I would have thought - unless of course the Swans accept it for Hanners - which I doubt. Then we shoot ourselves in the foot even further by downgrading our 4th round pick next year by about 15 spots. Why do that ?. Shop him around , another club would have given us a pick aroond 39 give or take , without the extra hit.

And it smells a lot like we are taking the big injured fella King with pick 4 rather than a classy mid which we are screaming for. Mesmerised by Mason, it’s the Paddy v Petracca nightmare trap we are falling for again.

Let's see if anyone picks up Hugh Goddard

[degruch]

All this talk about Hanneberry adding on field leadership and setting training standards- what a load of rubbish. We had the best trainer in the comp for 12 years and the majority of the current crop played and trained with him (Reiwoldt). If they have forgotten how to train hard and how to apply it on game day then that is a coaching and assistant coaching issue. If we need to bring in a broken down slow midfielder with poor foot skills on $800k a year to teach the current group standards then we have truly lost the plot.
Now there is talk that Essendon are chasing Ben Long- if that come to fruition we may as well close up shop

This.
Nail.Head.

I thought Roo was on a modified program for years...not that he didn't train, of course. He'd be an absolute model of professionalism and passion though, I agree. I find it hard to think as soon as he was out the door everyone sighed in relief and went back to turning up to training in ugg boots and eating buckets of KFC though...there's bigger issues at the club if that's the case.

[satchmo]

All this talk about Hanneberry adding on field leadership and setting training standards- what a load of rubbish. We had the best trainer in the comp for 12 years and the majority of the current crop played and trained with him (Reiwoldt). If they have forgotten how to train hard and how to apply it on game day then that is a coaching and assistant coaching issue. If we need to bring in a broken down slow midfielder with poor foot skills on $800k a year to teach the current group standards then we have truly lost the plot.
Now there is talk that Essendon are chasing Ben Long- if that come to fruition we may as well close up shop

This.
Nail.Head.

oh no

[Flagless]

Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????

So, let me get this right, are you saying Hickledik is better than Hanners?????

No fan of hickey but hanners form this year isn't much better !

You are spot on, on recent form (past 2 years) he is no better- what they see in him is absolutely mesmerizing. Not one noted football scribe thinks it is a good idea but because he is an old friend of Lethleans the saints have blindly gone after him- it takes the club backwards- if that's possible

[freely]

All this talk about Hanneberry adding on field leadership and setting training standards- what a load of rubbish. We had the best trainer in the comp for 12 years and the majority of the current crop played and trained with him (Reiwoldt). If they have forgotten how to train hard and how to apply it on game day then that is a coaching and assistant coaching issue. If we need to bring in a broken down slow midfielder with poor foot skills on $800k a year to teach the current group standards then we have truly lost the plot.
Now there is talk that Essendon are chasing Ben Long- if that come to fruition we may as well close up shop

Yeah, dunno. Leading by example isn't the only way - especially if the example you're setting is too high a bar for anyone else to reach. That's just demoralising - and demoralised is a fair description of what I saw this year.

[Joffa Burns]

Shiel is getting less at Essendon, but I bet his parents will be soon living in a lovely new mansion. Essendon playing by the rule book? Pfft... give me a break

So who pays and how does this all work?

[SydneySainter]

Most of the other clubs have brought in some good players and improved their list. We have added hannerbery and lost Hicky. In effect we have taken a step backwards or at best remain the same. Spare me the pick four argument its going to be a long miserable 2019 if that's all we end up with. Aggressive trading, when ffs ????

So, let me get this right, are you saying Hickledik is better than Hanners?????

No fan of hickey but hanners form this year isn't much better !

You are spot on, on recent form (past 2 years) he is no better- what they see in him is absolutely mesmerizing. Not one noted football scribe thinks it is a good idea but because he is an old friend of Lethleans the saints have blindly gone after him- it takes the club backwards- if that's possible

What they see in him is a player who while is already past his prime, used to be elite and therefore probably gettable.

I don't think even the club is naive enough to think that Hanners will do much more than add depth to our midfield, which I'm sure he will, but anything beyond that is a bonus, assuming he can stay on the park for the duration of his 4 year contract.

If he was still in elite category, would the Swans be prepared to offload him? Would he even be interested in coming to us if he was still in the prime of his career. I think unlikely.

The club probably sees it as ticking several boxes. Getting a "name" player to the club, improving our list (even if only slightly) and being seen to be doing something.

IMO, it will take a LOT more than just Hannebery for the club to be walking the walk in regards to their declarations of being "aggressive" during the trade period.

[DJ Higgins]

Hanners comes down to this. Was his huge drop off in form due to an injury that is yet to heal? If it is and it comes good then we have done well depending on the cost. If wecant then we got screwed. He was never fast which is bad for our club as we need pace but he was amazing at getting the ball and moving it on.
It's a mistake to get him imo but what can you do