The Untouchables

[The Fireman]

Lot's of talk about our stocks being sought by other clubs and about who we are willing to trade off along with picks.

Who are the players we will simply not consider in a trade?
How valuable are our picks and should we retain them ? considering we are in the throws of a massive rebuild.



Who and what is "untouchable"?

[MC Gusto]

Players like dusty, Degoey et al are untouchable. Can play multiple roles, electric on the burst good size and play above their height and kick goals including clutch goals

We got any of them?

[ListManager]

The problem with answering this question is that if I give my honest answer other posters will crack the s***s and call me a troll. Lets put it this way, I don't agree with the strategy of our new List Manager. I have nothing against Hanners but I would not have recruited him. My approach would be to cash in 2 of our best players for top 10 picks. One of them this year and the other one next year. My reasoning is that by the time St Kilda will be a genuine chance of a flag these 2 players will be over 30. Cash them in now and when we challenge in 4 years we will have 2 young guns with 50+ games under their belts. The new List Manager's approach is to make St Kilda better next year whereas my approach would be to make St Kilda awesome by 2022 to give us the best chance of winning a flag.

[The Fireman]

Players like dusty, Degoey et al are untouchable. Can play multiple roles, electric on the burst good size and play above their height and kick goals including clutch goals

We got any of them?

good point..but we do have some young players that appear to have positive and a pleasing future.

Webster, Gresh, McKenzie , membrey and a bit older Jake & J. Steven... I reckon these guys are untouchable for a starters. Ben Long has the makings of a ripper so I'd keep him too.

The players you mentioned we could have if we had decent selectors... but thats another story...for now who do we keep.

[guitars4]

Players like dusty, Degoey et al are untouchable. Can play multiple roles, electric on the burst good size and play above their height and kick goals including clutch goals

We got any of them?

good point..but we do have some young players that appear to have positive and a pleasing future.

Webster, Gresh, McKenzie , membrey and a bit older Jake & J. Steven... I reckon these guys are untouchable for a starters. Ben Long has the makings of a ripper so I'd keep him too.

The players you mentioned we could have if we had decent selectors... but thats another story...for now who do we keep.

No we don't to state the obvious but we have money to spend & we can buy some & hopefully recruit some that will become one.We have an opportunity to get some real talent into our club we just have to be smart on how we go about it.IMO

[desertsaint]

west coast says you can have gaff, he wants to head home, but it'll cost you steven.
mcgovern will come as well, he'll cost you carlisle. kennedy is the knives, but we want membrey.

[The Fireman]

west coast says you can have gaff, he wants to head home, but it'll cost you steven.
mcgovern will come as well, he'll cost you carlisle. kennedy is the knives, but we want membrey.

baby..bath water and all that.

[Enrico_Misso]

Looks like Richo is an untouchable.

[Ghost Like]

A plan needs to be implemented, encompassing a myriad of factors inclusive of age, games played, where we are now, where we want to be in two seasons with an eye to where we expect to be in five years inclusive of our brand and game style which is the rock & the hard place as currently we don't have one. So looking at that two to five year period, inclusive of this one, we will have at least three top five draft picks, possibly a priority in that time.
Whilst Hannerbury appears a done deal, I do not believe we should trade out a round one draft pick in these next three drafts, identify and target two or three free agents.
Build from the following (my untouchables):
Carlisle
Roberton
Webster
Coffield
McKenzie
White
Clavarino
Austin
Steven
Steele
Billings
Acres
Clark
Paton
Langlands
Membrey
Battle
Long
Bruce
Pierce
Marshall
From that list with 3 x FA's added plus 3 x round one picks, plus 3 x round two picks plus surprises from other rounds, plus Hannebury and whoever else we trade for if not picks...our list takes shape identifying weaknesses and holes to achieve our style and game plan.
Without that plan or style identified we won't go anywhere. With the apparent uncertainty over our coach this makes the exercise, in the absence of a crystal ball, very difficult. Good luck to our management & recruiters.

[ROLS-LEE]

No one is untouchable for the right price.
Yes we all hope that they are one club players but i would just be happy winning a premiership with 22 rejects from other clubs.

[iwantmeseats]

There is not a single one at St Kilda.
I would potentially trade any single one of them.

[dragit]

Jack Lonie & tom hickey

[Trev from the Bush]

There is not a single one at St Kilda.
I would potentially trade any single one of them.

You need to find another club to follow. Desperately.

[chico2001]

There is not a single one at St Kilda.
I would potentially trade any single one of them.

You need to find another club to follow. Desperately.

Whats the problem? By your reckoning if a deal could be done to trade jack Steven and a pick for B.Grundy then you would'nt do it. What about a deal trading Seb Ross for Dangerfield or Gaff or what about Gresham for McGovern. Last time I looked saints had no player in the 42 man AA squad and cant recall any being in any of the top ten awards and probably wont have a top ten in the Brownlow either. There is your answer right there. Silly club loyalty gets you now where. The idea is to improve the list, quickly and significantly.

[Teflon]

The problem with answering this question is that if I give my honest answer other posters will crack the s***s and call me a troll. Lets put it this way, I don't agree with the strategy of our new List Manager. I have nothing against Hanners but I would not have recruited him. My approach would be to cash in 2 of our best players for top 10 picks. One of them this year and the other one next year. My reasoning is that by the time St Kilda will be a genuine chance of a flag these 2 players will be over 30. Cash them in now and when we challenge in 4 years we will have 2 young guns with 50+ games under their belts. The new List Manager's approach is to make St Kilda better next year whereas my approach would be to make St Kilda awesome by 2022 to give us the best chance of winning a flag.

Concur but the risk is you lose ALL leadership and that’s why Hanners makes some sense....
I’d trade out our older guns now who have currency and stockpile elite kids with picks this year and next

[The Fireman]

The problem with answering this question is that if I give my honest answer other posters will crack the s***s and call me a troll. Lets put it this way, I don't agree with the strategy of our new List Manager. I have nothing against Hanners but I would not have recruited him. My approach would be to cash in 2 of our best players for top 10 picks. One of them this year and the other one next year. My reasoning is that by the time St Kilda will be a genuine chance of a flag these 2 players will be over 30. Cash them in now and when we challenge in 4 years we will have 2 young guns with 50+ games under their belts. The new List Manager's approach is to make St Kilda better next year whereas my approach would be to make St Kilda awesome by 2022 to give us the best chance of winning a flag.

Concur but the risk is you lose ALL leadership and that’s why Hanners makes some sense....
I’d trade out our older guns now who have currency and stockpile elite kids with picks this year and next

+1

[ListManager]

The problem with answering this question is that if I give my honest answer other posters will crack the s***s and call me a troll. Lets put it this way, I don't agree with the strategy of our new List Manager. I have nothing against Hanners but I would not have recruited him. My approach would be to cash in 2 of our best players for top 10 picks. One of them this year and the other one next year. My reasoning is that by the time St Kilda will be a genuine chance of a flag these 2 players will be over 30. Cash them in now and when we challenge in 4 years we will have 2 young guns with 50+ games under their belts. The new List Manager's approach is to make St Kilda better next year whereas my approach would be to make St Kilda awesome by 2022 to give us the best chance of winning a flag.

Concur but the risk is you lose ALL leadership and that’s why Hanners makes some sense....
I’d trade out our older guns now who have currency and stockpile elite kids with picks this year and next

As long as Hanners does not cost us more than pick 30 then that's fine. If we end up giving Sydney pick 3 for him then this club is stuffed. Even if we got pick 10 back it would still be a disaster IMHO.

[mad saint guy]

No one. I love Gresham but if GWS offered us Kelly for him I'd be packing Jade's bags for him. I think Clark will be a gun but if Gawn has a falling out with Melbourne and wants to come to us and Clark is the price then Hunter will be on his way. Don't want us to trade Billings but if Carlton offer us pick one then Jack is a Blue.

Club legends become untouchable. We could never trade Harvs or Roo because that would tear the fabric of the club apart and disillusion thousands of supporters. Right now we just have a few good players and a handful of players with potential.

[older saint]

Weller, Newness, Longer, .... so Richo's 2018 list

[Teflon]

The problem with answering this question is that if I give my honest answer other posters will crack the s***s and call me a troll. Lets put it this way, I don't agree with the strategy of our new List Manager. I have nothing against Hanners but I would not have recruited him. My approach would be to cash in 2 of our best players for top 10 picks. One of them this year and the other one next year. My reasoning is that by the time St Kilda will be a genuine chance of a flag these 2 players will be over 30. Cash them in now and when we challenge in 4 years we will have 2 young guns with 50+ games under their belts. The new List Manager's approach is to make St Kilda better next year whereas my approach would be to make St Kilda awesome by 2022 to give us the best chance of winning a flag.

Concur but the risk is you lose ALL leadership and that’s why Hanners makes some sense....
I’d trade out our older guns now who have currency and stockpile elite kids with picks this year and next

As long as Hanners does not cost us more than pick 30 then that's fine. If we end up giving Sydney pick 3 for him then this club is stuffed. Even if we got pick 10 back it would still be a disaster IMHO.

Agree you wouldn’t want to pay too much that’s why next years second sounds about rightvto me
No way top 5 pick - we are helping Sydney our enormously re cap space....

[BenLong#21]

Lot's of talk about our stocks being sought by other clubs and about who we are willing to trade off along with picks.

Who are the players we will simply not consider in a trade?
How valuable are our picks and should we retain them ? considering we are in the throws of a massive rebuild.



Who and what is "untouchable"?

1. Would not trade Ross, Gresham, Steele, Coffield, Clark, Long and Membrey.
2. Would not trade pick 4 unless for an established gun under 25 e.g Whitfield.

[chico2001]

Weller, Newness, Longer, .... so Richo's 2018 list

Not sure who would take Weller, Armitage , Dunstan etc. They are near done and dusted at a team that finished bottom 4. Geelong might want Longer and Newnes would get a game at some of the lower clubs...and thats it.

[BenLong#21]

Weller, Newness, Longer, .... so Richo's 2018 list

Not sure who would take Weller, Armitage , Dunstan etc. They are near done and dusted at a team that finished bottom 4. Geelong might want Longer and Newnes would get a game at some of the lower clubs...and thats it.

Weller and Armo would be welcome with open arms at the Southport Sharks looking for a B2B flag in 2019.

[kalsaint]

Players like dusty, Degoey et al are untouchable. Can play multiple roles, electric on the burst good size and play above their height and kick goals including clutch goals

We got any of them?

Simply no. Jack Steven is not elite but an A grader as he doesn't fulfil your points of reference, ie the play above his height part and clutch goals is debateable too.

On your specifications alone I reckon Membrey and Gresham are very close. Although the clutch goal thing is debateable.

[kalsaint]

west coast says you can have gaff, he wants to head home, but it'll cost you steven.
mcgovern will come as well, he'll cost you carlisle. kennedy is the knives, but we want membrey.

Yes there are some funny people at West Coast. Replace older players from their side for potential younger guns that fit their age profile. Whoopy we gain some leadership at expense of quality that will cost us in 4 years time.