Richo - why wouldn’t you sack him?

[skeptic]

Sorry to start another thread about the coach but I was thinking about this today and I can’t figure it out.

1. The onfield performance has been bad
2. An agreed consensus that he is failing to develop the players
3. There are rumours from reliable in the knows that players are threatening to walk if he remains
4. There are petitions going online to sack him and a swell of members threatening not to renew their memberships
4A. Concerns that aura of the club and style of play are so bad that we’re unable to attract players and sponsors
5. A plethora of more experienced assistants are being lined up with some believing that we’re actually recruiting the post Richo team

Am I missing something here?

Obviously the concern is his pay out but surely factoring in the above it’ll cost less to move him on then keep him right?

Anyway have a valid reason not to pull the trigger?

[Teflon]

He’s a nice enough chat who is besties with ceo who appointed him

[Enrico_Misso]

With our debt it would look financially reckless to pay him out.
Hence we are stuck with him.
So the only thing they can do is replace the assistants.

The real question is who were the imbeciles who rushed in to extending his contract when there was absolutely no need as
- no other club was chasing him
- he had achieved nothing to indicate we needed to reward him.

[Myron Gaines]

With our debt it would look financially reckless to pay him out.
Hence we are stuck with him.
So the only thing they can do is replace the assistants.

The real question is who were the imbeciles who rushed in to extending his contract when there was absolutely no need as
- no other club was chasing him
- he had achieved nothing to indicate we needed to reward him.

With all respect I believe it would be financially reckless to retain him. Crowd numbers already significantly down, memberships will plummet, marquee players will leave & sponsors will follow suit.

The payout is insignificant apart from the industry embarrassment Finnis would face; the issue I suspect has been identifying a suitable replacement coach. I think we’ve identified at least one, maybe two, which means Richo’s days as head coach are numbered.

[Myron Gaines]

Sorry to start another thread about the coach but I was thinking about this today and I can’t figure it out.

1. The onfield performance has been bad
2. An agreed consensus that he is failing to develop the players
3. There are rumours from reliable in the knows that players are threatening to walk if he remains
4. There are petitions going online to sack him and a swell of members threatening not to renew their memberships
4A. Concerns that aura of the club and style of play are so bad that we’re unable to attract players and sponsors
5. A plethora of more experienced assistants are being lined up with some believing that we’re actually recruiting the post Richo team

Am I missing something here?

Obviously the concern is his pay out but surely factoring in the above it’ll cost less to move him on then keep him right?

Anyway have a valid reason not to pull the trigger?

To answer your question: it’s timing. On the eve of finals with the likely candidates still involved in the season don’t expect a selection process, or at a least perceived process, to take place.

[wally]

maybe we have our new coach already.
Could we make Richo coach of Sandy?

[SydneySainter]

I think the real question is why would you extend his contract when he still had a year to run and was already falling short of expectation.

[spert]

Five seasons, gone backwards, why on earth would any club or business retain a senior coach/ manager who has not improved his win/ loss ration- must be the only club in history who has not by now removed a failed coach

[Cairnsman]

Skeptic as far as I know Richo is still not part of the review and therefore will be the coach in 2019 as previously advised by club officials.

Have you heard otherwise? If so was it actual quotes by club officials in the media?

Got any links to the media?

[saintspremiers]

Skeptic as far as I know Richo is still not part of the review and therefore will be the coach in 2019 as previously advised by club officials.

Have you heard otherwise? If so was it actual quotes by club officials in the media?

Got any links to the media?

But we have a new president. He can get rid of Richo.

Surely Richo is being performance managed?

My only fear is that if Richo goes, what happens to Newnes?

[CarlD]

The Saints hierarchy could be getting themselves into an "ïnteresting" bind.

Having gone down the path of trying to bring in more experienced new assistants (one ex-coach so far and Choco Williams being talked to apparently) to support Richo rather than moving him on and rebuilding the panel with a new coach (who would want to have a say in who are brought in as assistants) is it possible to change the coaching appointment strategy mid-stream without creating more headaches?

If push comes to shove with the disgruntled players, assuming the reported disenchantment has traction, and management decide the lesser of two evils is to push Richo out then where does that leave them (more so if Williams accepts a role in the interim)? Hearsay on here is that Ratten doesn't want another senior gig, although I guess Williams may, but it could be awkward when some assistant coaching appointments have already been made.

Too many cooks?

[Saint 58]

Harvey as senior coach as soon as the Pies are eliminated (in straight sets I hope )
With Williams, Ratten, etc. as support/mentors.

[SaintPav]

Skeptic as far as I know Richo is still not part of the review and therefore will be the coach in 2019 as previously advised by club officials.

Have you heard otherwise? If so was it actual quotes by club officials in the media?

Got any links to the media?

Not everything has to be in the media.

It’s probably just a rumour.

How Richo is not part of the review process is baffling.

[Teflon]

Harvey as senior coach as soon as the Pies are eliminated (in straight sets I hope )
With Williams, Ratten, etc. as support/mentors.

Do NOT want Harvey as senior coach
We’ve gone down untried coach path with Alan for an abysmal failure
FFS get someone with senior experience
I think if he wanted it they’d take Ratten
That’s why they’ve been non committal in announcing his actual role in our new coaching structure
Just move Alan sideways ffs

[No.11]

The soft cap.

[Myron Gaines]

The soft cap.

Do you think Richo will be coaching us next year?

[parkeysainter]

He has performance clauses in his contract if he wants to continue on in 2020. That is if he still coaches in 2019.

Anyone else heard Rob Harvey might be coming back?

[No.11]

The soft cap.

Do you think Richo will be coaching us next year?

No.

[Myron Gaines]

The soft cap.

Do you think Richo will be coaching us next year?

No.

Rats, Chocco or Harvey as head coach in your opinion?

[st.byron]

Harvey as senior coach as soon as the Pies are eliminated (in straight sets I hope )
With Williams, Ratten, etc. as support/mentors.

Do NOT want Harvey as senior coach
We’ve gone down untried coach path with Alan for an abysmal failure
FFS get someone with senior experience
I think if he wanted it they’d take Ratten
That’s why they’ve been non committal in announcing his actual role in our new coaching structure
Just move Alan sideways ffs

No don’t move Alan sideways. Like having a toppled PM on the back bench. Sack him and exit him from the club. Clean slate, fresh energy is required. No farting about with moving him to another role, like they have with Elsaugh.

[Saint 58]

Harvey as senior coach as soon as the Pies are eliminated (in straight sets I hope )
With Williams, Ratten, etc. as support/mentors.

Do NOT want Harvey as senior coach
We’ve gone down untried coach path with Alan for an abysmal failure
FFS get someone with senior experience
I think if he wanted it they’d take Ratten
That’s why they’ve been non committal in announcing his actual role in our new coaching structure
Just move Alan sideways ffs

Just passing on what I was told from a behind the scenes source
My opinion:
Would prefer Choco, I'm sure he would love another crack after his departure from Port
but if Harvey was appointed with Williams, Ratten, etc. to assist/mentor then I would also be happy
Harvey has enough years experience behind him

[skeptic]

The one thing about Robert Harvey and he details it heavily in his book is that he understands psychology and working through the swings. He wrote at great length how he taught himself to hit back after being beaten by an opponent for a 1/4 or half etc.

Definitely something this team needs

[older saint]

Rookie coach is fine if they have experience around them . richo didnt have that , with what the have there a Harvey ( for example would ) with Ratten and potentially Williams also

[st.byron]

The soft cap.

Do you think Richo will be coaching us next year?

No.

Who do you think will be coaching us next year?

[skeptic]

Sorry Cairnsman... just posting some thoughts. No sources.

The thing is, the one statement I’m not hearing from anyone is that Richo is the man to lead us forward.

Plenty of get this to help Richo... more support, different role, better players etc. Does anybody think or more importantly voice the notion that Richo can recover and is the man to take us to a flag?