There has been talk that it would cost $1mill to pay out Richo

[Linton Lodger]

It is $500,000 to move him on end of the year.....fact.
We are crippled with debt, plus his salary sits in the soft cap meaning it is hard to get someone great in next year unless you do a deal to backend their money.
People need to put up or shut up.
Put some money in and help get rid of him, the CEO and Board that have put us in this mess, or shut up and do nothing.
Simple really.

We stand to lose about that much or indeed more membership revenue over the next year or two if things don't turn around dramatically.

I was in industrial relations for a long time. Given that the number is $500k, if our Admin is incapable of negotiating a departure settlement of say $100 to $250K, then they need to go away. Finnis used to be a Union boss and should know how its done.

I would expect that a significant part of Lethlean's brief, would be to look at the performance of the Coach. Any decision on whether Richo stays or is moved on, should be based on his viability as a Head Coach, not his contract. Jaxons do you know if that's the case or is Lethlean been asked to restructure around the Coach?

It appears that Kingsley is staying, I don't believe Sexton needed to be told on 1 August because he's not an Asst Coach (someone correct me if I'm wrong on that). So does that mean Richo is under pressure?

If in their minds the President and CEO know that the Coach isn't up to scratch and want to keep him because of the complication of his contract. Then the honourable thing for them to do is resign. They have no right to attempt to fix the mess they created. Any scenario that attempts to work around a Coach they're forced to keep, will be dysfunctional!

[axcellence]

It is $500,000 to move him on end of the year.....fact.
We are crippled with debt, plus his salary sits in the soft cap meaning it is hard to get someone great in next year unless you do a deal to backend their money.
People need to put up or shut up.
Put some money in and help get rid of him, the CEO and Board that have put us in this mess, or shut up and do nothing.
Simple really.

$75 (3 games) x 7000 members will easily go if Richo stays.

Rock, hard place and all that jazz.

Don’t expect members to take this season lying down

[st.byron]

It is $500,000 to move him on end of the year.....fact.
We are crippled with debt, plus his salary sits in the soft cap meaning it is hard to get someone great in next year unless you do a deal to backend their money.
People need to put up or shut up.
Put some money in and help get rid of him, the CEO and Board that have put us in this mess, or shut up and do nothing.
Simple really.

$75 (3 games) x 7000 members will easily go if Richo stays.

Rock, hard place and all that jazz.

Don’t expect members to take this season lying down

Yep exactly. Am in the same boat as Willard Saint. Interstate membership. Not really that much value in it to be honest. More a donation to the club. And am not inclined to renew with the current regime.

[BenLong#21]

It is $500,000 to move him on end of the year.....fact.
We are crippled with debt, plus his salary sits in the soft cap meaning it is hard to get someone great in next year unless you do a deal to backend their money.
People need to put up or shut up.
Put some money in and help get rid of him, the CEO and Board that have put us in this mess, or shut up and do nothing.
Simple really.

I am happy to put in $100 but we need 5,000 people to do the same. That is a lot!

Do you have insight or understanding of the decision making process in September 2017 that led to the 2019/20 contract extension?
What was the logic and discussion around this?
Was it unanimous at Board level or was there some debate?

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

[Teflon]

If there is a genuine ticket, regarded coach in the offing then I’d happily donate

As others have said - keeping him will cost this club a lot more... Board have rooted us it’s an absolute disgrace by people playing corporate high flyers with bingo buzz words and politically correct causes while our FOOTBALL club goes to Shyte
As someone else said....it feels like we have too many in there who really aren’t saints people...they’ll move on after work experience is over and leave the members a mess to cleanup
Need action now.

[saintsRrising]

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

I agree that there is no logic to it, but if you look at our contract history at the Saints it is not surprising.

In the GT ere we overpaid our stars which limited what we could do in the Lyon era (hence why so many recycled cheap players).

Bains, who the fanboi worshippers loved, yes did a good job of bringing down the high value contracts, but then found his own way of handicapping us by giving long-term contract extensions to way too many very limited fringe players. We should have churned through more players than we have.

Look at the deal with FA Brown that no other club wanted. Now 2 years fair enough, BUT the stupidity was giving Brown the right for him to activate a third year.

Richo's contract extension given when it was not required has Bain's fingerprints all over it.

[jaxons]

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

I agree that there is no logic to it, but if you look at our contract history at the Saints it is not surprising.

In the GT ere we overpaid our stars which limited what we could do in the Lyon era (hence why so many recycled cheap players).

Bains, who the fanboi worshippers loved, yes did a good job of bringing down the high value contracts, but then found his own way of handicapping us by giving long-term contract extensions to way too many very limited fringe players. We should have churned through more players than we have.

Look at the deal with FA Brown that no other club wanted. Now 2 years fair enough, BUT the stupidity was giving Brown the right for him to activate a third year.

Richo's contract extension given when it was not required has Bain's fingerprints all over it.

Some true comments here but the coach extension was not Ameet, was the CEO and Board's call.
Finns wants blokes around him that don't challenge him and Richo is too stupid to challenge Finnis.
The Jamie Cox appointment underlines how poor a CEO he is, was totally his call.
He has the board fooled and they don't care enough to dig deeper and challenge what he tells them.
We have a leadership void in the club from President and Board down through to CEO.
Board are interested in trotting around at functions and good fro their CV but refuse to get their hands dirty and make ruthless decisions.
Must first change the board that can manage out the CEO and coach.
Otherwise nothing will change.

[Myron Gaines]

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

I agree that there is no logic to it, but if you look at our contract history at the Saints it is not surprising.

In the GT ere we overpaid our stars which limited what we could do in the Lyon era (hence why so many recycled cheap players).

Bains, who the fanboi worshippers loved, yes did a good job of bringing down the high value contracts, but then found his own way of handicapping us by giving long-term contract extensions to way too many very limited fringe players. We should have churned through more players than we have.

Look at the deal with FA Brown that no other club wanted. Now 2 years fair enough, BUT the stupidity was giving Brown the right for him to activate a third year.

Richo's contract extension given when it was not required has Bain's fingerprints all over it.

Some true comments here but the coach extension was not Ameet, was the CEO and Board's call.
Finns wants blokes around him that don't challenge him and Richo is too stupid to challenge Finnis.
The Jamie Cox appointment underlines how poor a CEO he is, was totally his call.
He has the board fooled and they don't care enough to dig deeper and challenge what he tells them.
We have a leadership void in the club from President and Board down through to CEO.
Board are interested in trotting around at functions and good fro their CV but refuse to get their hands dirty and make ruthless decisions.
Must first change the board that can manage out the CEO and coach.
Otherwise nothing will change.

Do you think they will feel pressure from supporters? 90% have had a gut full & it will show with membership retention.

[suss]

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

I agree that there is no logic to it, but if you look at our contract history at the Saints it is not surprising.

In the GT ere we overpaid our stars which limited what we could do in the Lyon era (hence why so many recycled cheap players).

Bains, who the fanboi worshippers loved, yes did a good job of bringing down the high value contracts, but then found his own way of handicapping us by giving long-term contract extensions to way too many very limited fringe players. We should have churned through more players than we have.

Look at the deal with FA Brown that no other club wanted. Now 2 years fair enough, BUT the stupidity was giving Brown the right for him to activate a third year.

Richo's contract extension given when it was not required has Bain's fingerprints all over it.

Some true comments here but the coach extension was not Ameet, was the CEO and Board's call.
Finns wants blokes around him that don't challenge him and Richo is too stupid to challenge Finnis.
The Jamie Cox appointment underlines how poor a CEO he is, was totally his call.
He has the board fooled and they don't care enough to dig deeper and challenge what he tells them.
We have a leadership void in the club from President and Board down through to CEO.
Board are interested in trotting around at functions and good fro their CV but refuse to get their hands dirty and make ruthless decisions.
Must first change the board that can manage out the CEO and coach.
Otherwise nothing will change.

This is depressing. None of those things will happen in a hurry and we’ll be left with a bunch of spud coaches until there is a shell of a team and only 20,000 members left.

How the **** did we get into this mountain of **** and how **** do we get out of it?

[Linton Lodger]

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

I agree that there is no logic to it, but if you look at our contract history at the Saints it is not surprising.

In the GT ere we overpaid our stars which limited what we could do in the Lyon era (hence why so many recycled cheap players).

Bains, who the fanboi worshippers loved, yes did a good job of bringing down the high value contracts, but then found his own way of handicapping us by giving long-term contract extensions to way too many very limited fringe players. We should have churned through more players than we have.

Look at the deal with FA Brown that no other club wanted. Now 2 years fair enough, BUT the stupidity was giving Brown the right for him to activate a third year.

Richo's contract extension given when it was not required has Bain's fingerprints all over it.

Some true comments here but the coach extension was not Ameet, was the CEO and Board's call.
Finns wants blokes around him that don't challenge him and Richo is too stupid to challenge Finnis.
The Jamie Cox appointment underlines how poor a CEO he is, was totally his call.
He has the board fooled and they don't care enough to dig deeper and challenge what he tells them.
We have a leadership void in the club from President and Board down through to CEO.
Board are interested in trotting around at functions and good fro their CV but refuse to get their hands dirty and make ruthless decisions.
Must first change the board that can manage out the CEO and coach.
Otherwise nothing will change.

Do you think they will feel pressure from supporters? 90% have had a gut full & it will show with membership retention.

Trouble is I don't think they'll know the impact on Membership until about April next year. That's far too late to act.

I think their cunning plan is to bring Harvey back as an Assistant and hopefully win the first couple next year and that'll mitigate loss of members. If that is their plan, they really need to go.

[saynta]

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

I agree that there is no logic to it, but if you look at our contract history at the Saints it is not surprising.

In the GT ere we overpaid our stars which limited what we could do in the Lyon era (hence why so many recycled cheap players).

Bains, who the fanboi worshippers loved, yes did a good job of bringing down the high value contracts, but then found his own way of handicapping us by giving long-term contract extensions to way too many very limited fringe players. We should have churned through more players than we have.

Look at the deal with FA Brown that no other club wanted. Now 2 years fair enough, BUT the stupidity was giving Brown the right for him to activate a third year.

Richo's contract extension given when it was not required has Bain's fingerprints all over it.

Some true comments here but the coach extension was not Ameet, was the CEO and Board's call.
Finns wants blokes around him that don't challenge him and Richo is too stupid to challenge Finnis.
The Jamie Cox appointment underlines how poor a CEO he is, was totally his call.
He has the board fooled and they don't care enough to dig deeper and challenge what he tells them.
We have a leadership void in the club from President and Board down through to CEO.
Board are interested in trotting around at functions and good fro their CV but refuse to get their hands dirty and make ruthless decisions.
Must first change the board that can manage out the CEO and coach.
Otherwise nothing will change.

Do you think they will feel pressure from supporters? 90% have had a gut full & it will show with membership retention.

Trouble is I don't think they'll know the impact on Membership until about April next year. That's far too late to act.

I think their cunning plan is to bring Harvey back as an Assistant and hopefully win the first couple next year and that'll mitigate loss of members. If that is their plan, they really need to go.

Wrong former saint.

[Linton Lodger]

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

I agree that there is no logic to it, but if you look at our contract history at the Saints it is not surprising.

In the GT ere we overpaid our stars which limited what we could do in the Lyon era (hence why so many recycled cheap players).

Bains, who the fanboi worshippers loved, yes did a good job of bringing down the high value contracts, but then found his own way of handicapping us by giving long-term contract extensions to way too many very limited fringe players. We should have churned through more players than we have.

Look at the deal with FA Brown that no other club wanted. Now 2 years fair enough, BUT the stupidity was giving Brown the right for him to activate a third year.

Richo's contract extension given when it was not required has Bain's fingerprints all over it.

Some true comments here but the coach extension was not Ameet, was the CEO and Board's call.
Finns wants blokes around him that don't challenge him and Richo is too stupid to challenge Finnis.
The Jamie Cox appointment underlines how poor a CEO he is, was totally his call.
He has the board fooled and they don't care enough to dig deeper and challenge what he tells them.
We have a leadership void in the club from President and Board down through to CEO.
Board are interested in trotting around at functions and good fro their CV but refuse to get their hands dirty and make ruthless decisions.
Must first change the board that can manage out the CEO and coach.
Otherwise nothing will change.

Do you think they will feel pressure from supporters? 90% have had a gut full & it will show with membership retention.

Trouble is I don't think they'll know the impact on Membership until about April next year. That's far too late to act.

I think their cunning plan is to bring Harvey back as an Assistant and hopefully win the first couple next year and that'll mitigate loss of members. If that is their plan, they really need to go.

Wrong former saint.

Are you saying I got the wrong former Saint or the Club has? Don't quite understand.

[saynta]

Think about it. Not hard.

[Teflon]

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

I agree that there is no logic to it, but if you look at our contract history at the Saints it is not surprising.

In the GT ere we overpaid our stars which limited what we could do in the Lyon era (hence why so many recycled cheap players).

Bains, who the fanboi worshippers loved, yes did a good job of bringing down the high value contracts, but then found his own way of handicapping us by giving long-term contract extensions to way too many very limited fringe players. We should have churned through more players than we have.

Look at the deal with FA Brown that no other club wanted. Now 2 years fair enough, BUT the stupidity was giving Brown the right for him to activate a third year.

Richo's contract extension given when it was not required has Bain's fingerprints all over it.

Some true comments here but the coach extension was not Ameet, was the CEO and Board's call.
Finns wants blokes around him that don't challenge him and Richo is too stupid to challenge Finnis.
The Jamie Cox appointment underlines how poor a CEO he is, was totally his call.
He has the board fooled and they don't care enough to dig deeper and challenge what he tells them.
We have a leadership void in the club from President and Board down through to CEO.
Board are interested in trotting around at functions and good fro their CV but refuse to get their hands dirty and make ruthless decisions.
Must first change the board that can manage out the CEO and coach.
Otherwise nothing will change.

Geezus is it that bad?
We’ve got Atilla The Hun in as CEO and a stupid board and coach?
Oh dear...fold over the horizon
There is nothing else for it now......full scale Board challenge is needed now
Where are you influential saints backers???

[Teflon]

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

I agree that there is no logic to it, but if you look at our contract history at the Saints it is not surprising.

In the GT ere we overpaid our stars which limited what we could do in the Lyon era (hence why so many recycled cheap players).

Bains, who the fanboi worshippers loved, yes did a good job of bringing down the high value contracts, but then found his own way of handicapping us by giving long-term contract extensions to way too many very limited fringe players. We should have churned through more players than we have.

Look at the deal with FA Brown that no other club wanted. Now 2 years fair enough, BUT the stupidity was giving Brown the right for him to activate a third year.

Richo's contract extension given when it was not required has Bain's fingerprints all over it.

Some true comments here but the coach extension was not Ameet, was the CEO and Board's call.
Finns wants blokes around him that don't challenge him and Richo is too stupid to challenge Finnis.
The Jamie Cox appointment underlines how poor a CEO he is, was totally his call.
He has the board fooled and they don't care enough to dig deeper and challenge what he tells them.
We have a leadership void in the club from President and Board down through to CEO.
Board are interested in trotting around at functions and good fro their CV but refuse to get their hands dirty and make ruthless decisions.
Must first change the board that can manage out the CEO and coach.
Otherwise nothing will change.

Geezus is it that bad?
We’ve got Atilla The Hun in as CEO and a stupid board and coach?
Oh dear...fold over the horizon
There is nothing else for it now......full scale Board challenge is needed now
Where are you influential saints backers???

[saintsRrising]

We have a leadership void in the club from President and Board down through to CEO.
Board are interested in trotting around at functions and good fro their CV but refuse to get their hands dirty and make ruthless decisions.
Must first change the board that can manage out the CEO and coach.
Otherwise nothing will change.

I fully agree with this. Footy First impacted our Board for the worse and even though Wasteaway is gone the FF fingerprints are still there.

We need some ruthless and effective bastards on the Board.


I have had a lot to do with associations over the years and you see our type of Board on too many associations where people get one their Boards for all the wrong reasons and more to do with personal gain, ego or gain. Typically these types do bugger all leaving it to one or two Boardmembers to do as they please, or even the CEO who is left to runk amok. We certainly seem to have a CEO who is doing as he pleases.

[Teflon]

From Moorabbin Ghist Bigfooty usually reasonably reliable....common thread between him and Jaxons??? We have muppets in charge.....

******************
There’s an interesting breakfast catch up happening as I type this. Some high level St Kilda people informally discussing the elephant in the room.
If they keep the coach then we put up a similar performance in 2019, crowds plummet even further, we lose 10K members and become the most irrelevant cub in Victoria. If they sack the coach then their own position becomes almost untenable as they jumped the shark and gave a $1M contract extension to a bloke that simply didn’t warrant it at that point.
Unfortunately I don’t have the confidence in the people running this club to put St Kilda’s best interests over their own.
We are in the s*** something terrible.

[saynta]

I am for taking up a collection to pay Richo out and then have the board challenged.

[desertsaint]

if it costs 1/2 million to sack him it'll be the best investment the saints have made since drafting roo.

[fugazi]

Relax..... Powerball is jackpotting to 60 Million

I'll pay him out on Friday!

[groupie1]

Crowd funding ? Let’s see what can raised

Let's do it.
How many of us are on this forum? It won't work in and of itself, but it will get the media's attention.

[saynta]

It is $500,000 to move him on end of the year.....fact.
We are crippled with debt, plus his salary sits in the soft cap meaning it is hard to get someone great in next year unless you do a deal to backend their money.
People need to put up or shut up.
Put some money in and help get rid of him, the CEO and Board that have put us in this mess, or shut up and do nothing.
Simple really.

I am happy to put in $100 but we need 5,000 people to do the same. That is a lot!

Do you have insight or understanding of the decision making process in September 2017 that led to the 2019/20 contract extension?
What was the logic and discussion around this?
Was it unanimous at Board level or was there some debate?

It is very difficult for us fans to understand how this decision was reached.

I'm in for a hundred bucks too.

[DJ Higgins]

He is contracted until 2020 so 2 more years at say $500k per year so that makes a mill. Negotiate down to say $750K. Now we need to get another coach n similar money. Basically we will be paying 2 coaches salaries for 2 years. I would have him coach next year and get a succession plan in place. I.e. target new coach now for 2020 start, possibly as an assistant in 2020 to save $. Mitchell anyone???

[Saintly66]

He’s only entitled to a 3 month pay out from what I’m hearing, saints please just do it and stop f****** around. We’re not even a laughing stock anymore...that’s how bad we’re going.

[DJ Higgins]

He’s only entitled to a 3 month pay out from what I’m hearing, saints please just do it and stop f****** around. We’re not even a laughing stock anymore...that’s how bad we’re going.

Don't tease Saintly 66. Are you sure? He is gone at season end then if that is the case and we can get a replacement