Sack the coach Tomorrow!

[DWOODROW]

Yep

[saintspremiers]

I’m pleased to hear that Dwoodro.

It can only mean mass sackings of coaches.

[DWOODROW]

I’m pleased to hear that Dwoodro.

It can only mean mass sackings of coaches.

But unfortunately the two that need to go most likely wont

[dragit]

Lonie had 9 tackles and the best ranked game of his career two weeks ago, give him a break.

[Devilhead]

Dwoodrow i was thinking Dave must have had a niggle or something because i cant for the life of me figure out why he's been dropped or why he's the scapegoat!? He's been one of our more solid players.. the mind boggles

Makes 3 of us

Richo is big on Pressure Acts and Dave was well down with only 8. Richo is not smart enough to know if we maintain possession with attacking footy with dont have to chase tails all night.

Not sure if you noticed that he was playing a good game had good possessions in the first qtr playing against Martin but then for some reason as ST Kilda do when dave is playing a good game they leave him on the bench for 8 mins in the second qtr just for something to do. Then they manage him for how they think he is going without asking him how he is actually going. The club as a whole are a f***ed unit. I’ve tried to withhold my anger and thoughts but the club is a shambles.
Good luck for the future but it’s going to be a long time before there is any glory at St Kilda

Not that I think Dave shouldnt be in the the team but Dusty destroyed us in that 1st quarter .... just sayin

Richo was on the bench surely he asks or knows why he spent 8 mins on the bench or at least tells him he is good to go?

No actually doesn’t tell him till this afternoon why he isn’t required. Dusty played very well but Dave had a good first qtr as well. Not saying dave is the answer just saying the coaches are not up front with the playing group. No reasons why not selected. No reasons why going with someone else. No communication at all really. As far as I am concerned s*** leadership from the top and s*** unity as a team in general . Everyone is just trying to save their own hides. Club are a shambles

So the coaches are trying to save their own hides by NOT telling players why they were omitted?

Sorry that doesn't compute - how would that help the coaches?

Why wouldn't Dave seek clarification as to why he benched after the gam or dropped for this week?

Surely you can approach the coaches and seek reasoning? Surely their stock answer is not none of your beeswax?

[DWOODROW]

Dwoodrow i was thinking Dave must have had a niggle or something because i cant for the life of me figure out why he's been dropped or why he's the scapegoat!? He's been one of our more solid players.. the mind boggles

Makes 3 of us

Richo is big on Pressure Acts and Dave was well down with only 8. Richo is not smart enough to know if we maintain possession with attacking footy with dont have to chase tails all night.

Not sure if you noticed that he was playing a good game had good possessions in the first qtr playing against Martin but then for some reason as ST Kilda do when dave is playing a good game they leave him on the bench for 8 mins in the second qtr just for something to do. Then they manage him for how they think he is going without asking him how he is actually going. The club as a whole are a f***ed unit. I’ve tried to withhold my anger and thoughts but the club is a shambles.
Good luck for the future but it’s going to be a long time before there is any glory at St Kilda

Not that I think Dave shouldnt be in the the team but Dusty destroyed us in that 1st quarter .... just sayin

Richo was on the bench surely he asks or knows why he spent 8 mins on the bench or at least tells him he is good to go?

No actually doesn’t tell him till this afternoon why he isn’t required. Dusty played very well but Dave had a good first qtr as well. Not saying dave is the answer just saying the coaches are not up front with the playing group. No reasons why not selected. No reasons why going with someone else. No communication at all really. As far as I am concerned s*** leadership from the top and s*** unity as a team in general . Everyone is just trying to save their own hides. Club are a shambles

So the coaches are trying to save their own hides by NOT telling players why they were omitted?

Sorry that doesn't compute - how would that help the coaches?

Why wouldn't Dave seek clarification as to why he benched after the gam or dropped for this week?

Surely you can approach the coaches and seek reasoning? Surely their stock answer is not none of your beeswax?

Yeah sorry I only spoke to him two hours ago. I have no idea what I’m talking about.
Good luck on Saturday

[desertsaint]

hild on. when richo played armo half of us were whinging he was playing favourites.
now he drops him for youth he's playing favourites again?
give the fella a bit of slack, he's probably the best coach we've had for seven years!

[DWOODROW]

Dwoodrow i was thinking Dave must have had a niggle or something because i cant for the life of me figure out why he's been dropped or why he's the scapegoat!? He's been one of our more solid players.. the mind boggles

Makes 3 of us

Richo is big on Pressure Acts and Dave was well down with only 8. Richo is not smart enough to know if we maintain possession with attacking footy with dont have to chase tails all night.

Not sure if you noticed that he was playing a good game had good possessions in the first qtr playing against Martin but then for some reason as ST Kilda do when dave is playing a good game they leave him on the bench for 8 mins in the second qtr just for something to do. Then they manage him for how they think he is going without asking him how he is actually going. The club as a whole are a f***ed unit. I’ve tried to withhold my anger and thoughts but the club is a shambles.
Good luck for the future but it’s going to be a long time before there is any glory at St Kilda

Not that I think Dave shouldnt be in the the team but Dusty destroyed us in that 1st quarter .... just sayin

Richo was on the bench surely he asks or knows why he spent 8 mins on the bench or at least tells him he is good to go?

No actually doesn’t tell him till this afternoon why he isn’t required. Dusty played very well but Dave had a good first qtr as well. Not saying dave is the answer just saying the coaches are not up front with the playing group. No reasons why not selected. No reasons why going with someone else. No communication at all really. As far as I am concerned s*** leadership from the top and s*** unity as a team in general . Everyone is just trying to save their own hides. Club are a shambles

So the coaches are trying to save their own hides by NOT telling players why they were omitted?

Sorry that doesn't compute - how would that help the coaches?

Why wouldn't Dave seek clarification as to why he benched after the gam or dropped for this week?

Surely you can approach the coaches and seek reasoning? Surely their stock answer is not none of your beeswax?

Also Dave accepts the decision and moves on

[DWOODROW]

hild on. when richo played armo half of us were whinging he was playing favourites.
now he drops him for youth he's playing favourites again?
give the fella a bit of slack, he's probably the best coach we've had for seven years!

Yep showing how good a coach he is by St Jilda being 16 on the ladder. Go saints

[Jacks Back]

hild on. when richo played armo half of us were whinging he was playing favourites.
now he drops him for youth he's playing favourites again?
give the fella a bit of slack, he's probably the best coach we've had for seven years!

Yep showing how good a coach he is by St Jilda being 16 on the ladder. Go saints

Brereton on sen today said St Kilda has a defeatist attitude in our DNA that carries on forever. How can some teams win so often and then other teams win one premiership in 100 years?

[chico2001]

Lonie had 9 tackles and the best ranked game of his career two weeks ago, give him a break.

It was one out of the box, he tackled fiercely. No-one likes to dog their own players but Lonie is just not to the level you want from a guy who has been given a lot of chances. A very good reserves player. He just has to kick a goal or 2 every game, forget all that lockdown/tackling stuff...goals win matches.

[Devilhead]

Dwoodrow i was thinking Dave must have had a niggle or something because i cant for the life of me figure out why he's been dropped or why he's the scapegoat!? He's been one of our more solid players.. the mind boggles

Makes 3 of us

Richo is big on Pressure Acts and Dave was well down with only 8. Richo is not smart enough to know if we maintain possession with attacking footy with dont have to chase tails all night.

Not sure if you noticed that he was playing a good game had good possessions in the first qtr playing against Martin but then for some reason as ST Kilda do when dave is playing a good game they leave him on the bench for 8 mins in the second qtr just for something to do. Then they manage him for how they think he is going without asking him how he is actually going. The club as a whole are a f***ed unit. I’ve tried to withhold my anger and thoughts but the club is a shambles.
Good luck for the future but it’s going to be a long time before there is any glory at St Kilda

Not that I think Dave shouldnt be in the the team but Dusty destroyed us in that 1st quarter .... just sayin

Richo was on the bench surely he asks or knows why he spent 8 mins on the bench or at least tells him he is good to go?

No actually doesn’t tell him till this afternoon why he isn’t required. Dusty played very well but Dave had a good first qtr as well. Not saying dave is the answer just saying the coaches are not up front with the playing group. No reasons why not selected. No reasons why going with someone else. No communication at all really. As far as I am concerned s*** leadership from the top and s*** unity as a team in general . Everyone is just trying to save their own hides. Club are a shambles

So the coaches are trying to save their own hides by NOT telling players why they were omitted?

Sorry that doesn't compute - how would that help the coaches?

Why wouldn't Dave seek clarification as to why he benched after the gam or dropped for this week?

Surely you can approach the coaches and seek reasoning? Surely their stock answer is not none of your beeswax?

Also Dave accepts the decision and moves on not like some of the Brown noses that suck ass and get gifted games. Approaches coaches regularly and get gets limp dick pathetic excuses

Ok so the coaches do provide reasoning

Assume then we will see Dave see out his contract ..... if he is accepting these decisions?

[axcellence]

Lonie, Gilbo and Weller

Savage, Newnes,Dunstan and Lonie...

Gilbert, Brown in a bottom 4 team as post 30 year old auto selections

[SaintPav]

hild on. when richo played armo half of us were whinging he was playing favourites.
now he drops him for youth he's playing favourites again?
give the fella a bit of slack, he's probably the best coach we've had for seven years!

Yep showing how good a coach he is by St Jilda being 16 on the ladder. Go saints

I understand your loyalty to your brother but how does Dave feel about you mouthing off on a public forum? I don’t think you’re doing him any favours.

[skeptic]

hild on. when richo played armo half of us were whinging he was playing favourites.
now he drops him for youth he's playing favourites again?
give the fella a bit of slack, he's probably the best coach we've had for seven years!

I would say it’s because he came in and played 3 good games in a row to a standard many fans including myself thought he wasn’t capable of reaching.

After this stint, I’m satisfied Armo ain’t done

[skeptic]

Lonie had 9 tackles and the best ranked game of his career two weeks ago, give him a break.

It was one out of the box, he tackled fiercely. No-one likes to dog their own players but Lonie is just not to the level you want from a guy who has been given a lot of chances. A very good reserves player. He just has to kick a goal or 2 every game, forget all that lockdown/tackling stuff...goals win matches.

If Weller was out of the team, this would be less of an issue.

To be honest, Weller should have gone and Lonie stayed 2 weeks ago

[Linton Lodger]

Weller & Hickey must lead charmed lives. No one should ever keep their spot after the games they had last week.

Armitage dropped, probably because of the monstering we got in midfield, so how does Hickey survive?

Because Hickey matched his opponent in hitouts, hitouts to advantage, disposals, contested possessions and we won clearances.

Hickey was totally monstered by Nankervis.

Sounds scary, in which quantifiable metric?

Give me a moment when he had any impact.

[dragit]

Weller & Hickey must lead charmed lives. No one should ever keep their spot after the games they had last week.

Armitage dropped, probably because of the monstering we got in midfield, so how does Hickey survive?

Because Hickey matched his opponent in hitouts, hitouts to advantage, disposals, contested possessions and we won clearances.

Hickey was totally monstered by Nankervis.

Sounds scary, in which quantifiable metric?

Give me a moment when he had any impact.

which one of these ruckmen was 'monstered'?

ruckman A

27 hitouts
10 hitouts to advantage
50 % hitouts won
18 disposals @66%
7 contested possessions
3 marks
0 contested marks
3 clearances
31 team clearances


ruckman B

24 hitouts
7 hitouts to advantage
49 % hitouts won
17 disposals @76%
10 contested possessions
6 marks
2 contested marks
4 clearances
37 team clearances

[Scollop]

Weller & Hickey must lead charmed lives. No one should ever keep their spot after the games they had last week.

Armitage dropped, probably because of the monstering we got in midfield, so how does Hickey survive?

Because Hickey matched his opponent in hitouts, hitouts to advantage, disposals, contested possessions and we won clearances.

Hickey was totally monstered by Nankervis.

Sounds scary, in which quantifiable metric?

Give me a moment when he had any impact.

which one of these ruckmen was 'monstered'?

ruckman A

27 hitouts
10 hitouts to advantage
50 % hitouts won
18 disposals @66%
7 contested possessions
3 marks
0 contested marks
3 clearances
31 team clearances


ruckman B

24 hitouts
7 hitouts to advantage
49 % hitouts won
17 disposals @76%
10 contested possessions
6 marks
2 contested marks
4 clearances
37 team clearances

Goodluck getting anyone to debate the stats above in isolation without blurting out the same old drivel about 'being strong in the contest'. I am confident that you will not get a reply to argue that the 2 contested marks that Nank took influenced the result of the match and justified Linton Lodger claiming he was 'totally monstered'.

Perhaps the 3 reasons why Hickey was monstered are:

Number 1 and the most important reason is "stonecold says so!!!!!"
#2 Did you see that nasty look Nank gave BT during Roaming Brian ( that was monstrous!!!!! )
and #3 We got monstered by Richmond so it must be the fault of just a handful of players. Hickey surely has to be included as one of the players to blame. Richo and his band of merry followers ( some of them post regularly here on SS ) are very good at destroying a players development and confidence. Hickey personally needs to learn to be more of a brown nose and he should get a few mates to post more positive messages on footy forums

[The Fireman]

torn

[Linton Lodger]

Weller & Hickey must lead charmed lives. No one should ever keep their spot after the games they had last week.

Armitage dropped, probably because of the monstering we got in midfield, so how does Hickey survive?

Because Hickey matched his opponent in hitouts, hitouts to advantage, disposals, contested possessions and we won clearances.

Hickey was totally monstered by Nankervis.

Sounds scary, in which quantifiable metric?

Give me a moment when he had any impact.

which one of these ruckmen was 'monstered'?

ruckman A

27 hitouts
10 hitouts to advantage
50 % hitouts won
18 disposals @66%
7 contested possessions
3 marks
0 contested marks
3 clearances
31 team clearances


ruckman B

24 hitouts
7 hitouts to advantage
49 % hitouts won
17 disposals @76%
10 contested possessions
6 marks
2 contested marks
4 clearances
37 team clearances

Without looking I wouldn't know who's A or B, although I'm guessing Hickey is A because I don't recall him taking a contested mark.

Nankervis just shoved him out of the way repeatedly and Hickey just had no physical impact. Richmond had so much clear space and time at stoppages (not blaming that entirely on Hickey but he was part of the reason). Then he gave us bugger all around the ground, regardless of his 17 or 18 disposals. Then there was his insipid contest against Caddy in the third, when Caddy marked on the goal line and subsequently goaled. Caddy should have been no chance in a one on one with Hickey, yet shoved him out the way with one hand.

If you're happy with the way he currently attacks a game, good luck to you. He's either not giving 100% or his confidence is shot.

[Scollop]

LL: Once again, you are trying to paint an imaginary picture based on your bias. How the hell can you ignore the hitout contests and hitouts to advantage? How the hell can you dismiss 18 disposals? I could understand dismissing single figures but you can't ignore stats that identify a guy such as a ruckman is contributing to the clearances. Carry on

[dragit]

Without looking I wouldn't know who's A or B, although I'm guessing Hickey is A because I don't recall him taking a contested mark.

This is the point, whether or not A beat B, no-one was monstered otherwise the stats would somehow reflect this.

Hickey was ruckmen B btw - the player who took 6 marks and won 10 contested possessions.

[skeptic]

Weller & Hickey must lead charmed lives. No one should ever keep their spot after the games they had last week.

Armitage dropped, probably because of the monstering we got in midfield, so how does Hickey survive?

Because Hickey matched his opponent in hitouts, hitouts to advantage, disposals, contested possessions and we won clearances.

Hickey was totally monstered by Nankervis.

Sounds scary, in which quantifiable metric?

Give me a moment when he had any impact.

which one of these ruckmen was 'monstered'?

ruckman A

27 hitouts
10 hitouts to advantage
50 % hitouts won
18 disposals @66%
7 contested possessions
3 marks
0 contested marks
3 clearances
31 team clearances


ruckman B

24 hitouts
7 hitouts to advantage
49 % hitouts won
17 disposals @76%
10 contested possessions
6 marks
2 contested marks
4 clearances
37 team clearances

Without looking I wouldn't know who's A or B, although I'm guessing Hickey is A because I don't recall him taking a contested mark.

Nankervis just shoved him out of the way repeatedly and Hickey just had no physical impact. Richmond had so much clear space and time at stoppages (not blaming that entirely on Hickey but he was part of the reason). Then he gave us bugger all around the ground, regardless of his 17 or 18 disposals. Then there was his insipid contest against Caddy in the third, when Caddy marked on the goal line and subsequently goaled. Caddy should have been no chance in a one on one with Hickey, yet shoved him out the way with one hand.

If you're happy with the way he currently attacks a game, good luck to you. He's either not giving 100% or his confidence is shot.

I believe Hickey was B because he did take a contested mark in the forward line and sprayed the shot...

A key point those stats don’t reflect is that Hickey shared rucking duties with Marshall.

Personally, I’m not sure what the debate here is.

Is Hickey an ideal ruckman? No.
Is he playing to the standard we want? No.
Should we dump him the second we get a decent replacement? Yes.

Is he the best we have at the moment? Debatable but I would say yes... Longer doesn’t take contested marks or get to contests. Outside of being better at ruck tap outs and a reported sense of physical presence he brings which is not evident in general play at all but is apparently rated highly inside our well run club, it’s hard to see an area in which Billy could be a preferred choice.

[saynta]

I am sure others on here beside me are sick and tire of the continued bagging of our players, in particular our ruck stocks.

Give it a rest FFS.