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Interestingly though, we are 6th in the AFL for inside 50's (which is very encouraging) but 16th for inside 50 efficiency.
15th for goals in total and 17th for goal efficiency.
Here lies our problems! We get the bloody pill in there enough. We are just ordinary at converting it into something and when we get a chance we are well under a 50/50 chance to get the 6 point sausage.
How can we fix it Saints fans?
Is it the structures? Are we not skilled enough going forward? Do we need new players and coaches that can rectify this?
Pretty sure its a "Yes" for each Q.
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Proves that many stats in isolation are meaningless a lot of the time.
We are pretty much equal to Melbourne for Marks, Kicks, HB, disp eff%. - yet they average nearly TWICE as many goals per game.
Half of our i50's should be removed from the stat sheet, they're either scrubbers to the pocket or long and high to the goal square for an easy spoil or opposition mark.
dragit wrote: ↑Mon 18 Jun 2018 3:57pm
Proves that many stats in isolation are meaningless a lot of the time.
We are pretty much equal to Melbourne for Marks, Kicks, HB, disp eff%. - yet they average nearly TWICE as many goals per game.
Half of our i50's should be removed from the stat sheet, they're either scrubbers to the pocket or long and high to the goal square for an easy spoil or opposition mark.
Scrubber or bomb. An inside 50 is an inside 50. Its when the ball goes pass the 50 metre arc. It means its getting in there and why the efficiency stat is important in relation to the inside 50 stat itself.
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Composure; we lack it. Not sure how to coach it but AR doesn't ever look composed just a bundle of internal stress trying on a mask. Hunter Clark might have it instinctively but not many others, perhaps Carslise and Webster (Coffield seemed to have it first couple of games). There is no penalty for being tackled or waiting for a lead before kicking into the forward line. They need to improve decision making, incl. leading, even if it means hard decisions on personal limitations (like a mental flow chart with only three possibilities; one being - whatever, don't give the ball to the opposition in the open, another might be your first thought was the best you could do). Its almost better to be caught holding the ball than gift a turnover to an unmarked opponent. Panic rarely works however well intentioned.
When we bomb the ball into the F50 indiscriminately it gets rebounded out twice as quickly and our players are out of position and vulnerable to counter attacking play.
Ideally we run the ball closer to goal before we enter the F50 and we start moving the ball through the middle to open up some angles for our forwards to lead-into.
When we approach from shallow and wide it's to easy to defend.
The high possession count is caused by players not having confidence to be bold and take on some aggressive kicks through the middle etc.. This could also be partly due to structure
Yorkeys wrote: ↑Mon 18 Jun 2018 4:14pm
Composure; we lack it. Not sure how to coach it but AR doesn't ever look composed just a bundle of internal stress trying on a mask. Hunter Clark might have it instinctively but not many others, perhaps Carslise and Webster (Coffield seemed to have it first couple of games). There is no penalty for being tackled or waiting for a lead before kicking into the forward line. They need to improve decision making, incl. leading, even if it means hard decisions on personal limitations (like a mental flow chart with only three possibilities; one being - whatever, don't give the ball to the opposition in the open, another might be your first thought was the best you could do). Its almost better to be caught holding the ball than gift a turnover to an unmarked opponent. Panic rarely works however well intentioned.
Excellent point. Brandon White has composure, as do Billings and Sinclair. Bizarrely, 2 of those three are not the coach's favourites either. Bomber Thompson used the mental flow chart at Geelong and it worked really well in simplifying the quite complex for those who aren't deep thinkers.
Its hard to teach decision making and compusure. Some footballers are simply born with it and are great at it. But yes, decision making can be simplified. Easier said than done though in an elite and fast paced sport in AFL.
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dragit wrote: ↑Mon 18 Jun 2018 3:57pm
Proves that many stats in isolation are meaningless a lot of the time.
We are pretty much equal to Melbourne for Marks, Kicks, HB, disp eff%. - yet they average nearly TWICE as many goals per game.
Half of our i50's should be removed from the stat sheet, they're either scrubbers to the pocket or long and high to the goal square for an easy spoil or opposition mark.
Scrubber or bomb. An inside 50 is an inside 50. Its when the ball goes pass the 50 metre arc. It means its getting in there and why the efficiency stat is important in relation to the inside 50 stat itself.
No s***… I'm saying they are pointless if we are not scoring from them.
dragit wrote: ↑Mon 18 Jun 2018 3:57pm
Proves that many stats in isolation are meaningless a lot of the time.
We are pretty much equal to Melbourne for Marks, Kicks, HB, disp eff%. - yet they average nearly TWICE as many goals per game.
Half of our i50's should be removed from the stat sheet, they're either scrubbers to the pocket or long and high to the goal square for an easy spoil or opposition mark.
Scrubber or bomb. An inside 50 is an inside 50. Its when the ball goes pass the 50 metre arc. It means its getting in there and why the efficiency stat is important in relation to the inside 50 stat itself.
No s***… I'm saying they are pointless if we are not scoring from them.
Um Yeah. That was the point of the post. How to improve the efficiency levels of our inside 50's.
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Yorkeys wrote: ↑Mon 18 Jun 2018 4:14pm
Composure; we lack it. Not sure how to coach it but AR doesn't ever look composed just a bundle of internal stress trying on a mask. Hunter Clark might have it instinctively but not many others, perhaps Carslise and Webster (Coffield seemed to have it first couple of games). There is no penalty for being tackled or waiting for a lead before kicking into the forward line. They need to improve decision making, incl. leading, even if it means hard decisions on personal limitations (like a mental flow chart with only three possibilities; one being - whatever, don't give the ball to the opposition in the open, another might be your first thought was the best you could do). Its almost better to be caught holding the ball than gift a turnover to an unmarked opponent. Panic rarely works however well intentioned.
Excellent post Yorkeys.
I was going to raise it myself, but but its like half our team are scared of being tackled and consequently panic with the ball. Savage in particular plays completely bruise free footy and when he does provide drive he bombs it long consistently.
Opposition teams just sag back, out number our forwards (which mostly Richo allows) we bomb it long then they rebound and catch us out. So the inside 50 count should be known as the St Kilda turn over stat.
Getting Bruce back will help no end as I believe he is under rated. It might be that Battle has gone past Paddy which is a blessing eg Bruce to replace Paddy..
axcellence wrote: ↑Mon 18 Jun 2018 3:32pm
Is it because a few teams have had a bye?
Lol. Maybe.
surpringly we are still third using averages. but 15th on kicking disposals.
This tells another story in itself. The Saints get the ball enough but we f*** around with it too much - especially by hand. When applying the holistic approach to all these stats then that no doubt affects the inside 50 stats at times as opposition defenders are stacked back in our 50 and we become predictable to them. We also run out of open options to kick to.
Like anything in life, numbers tell their own story when you delve a bit deeper into them. Same as AFL statistics.
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Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud
In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death, taxes and the St Kilda FC
So what makes you think he'll be a good coach???? Just because he is a champion footballer does not translate to coaching , otherwise Buckley would have won five flags by now and Watson would have coached one with us .. untried... we need experience...
And the president said " I did not have sex with that woman"
And our former president said " Football is like golf"
parkeysainter wrote: ↑Mon 18 Jun 2018 3:20pm
...disposals! Currently no 1.
Interestingly though, we are 6th in the AFL for inside 50's (which is very encouraging) but 16th for inside 50 efficiency.
15th for goals in total and 17th for goal efficiency.
Here lies our problems! We get the bloody pill in there enough. We are just ordinary at converting it into something and when we get a chance we are well under a 50/50 chance to get the 6 point sausage.
How can we fix it Saints fans?
Is it the structures? Are we not skilled enough going forward? Do we need new players and coaches that can rectify this?
Pretty sure its a "Yes" for each Q.
Effect of the bye, IMHO. We have played more games than 12 other teams
Which can only mean we're the most inefficient and wasteful team when in possession of the ball.
The stat doesn't surprise me a lot. We don't seem to have much trouble getting the ball, but when we do, oh boy. The amount of errant kicks and handpasses they commit is mind-boggling. Not to mention the fumbling and bumbling and fiddling around. It's very unattractive brand of football watch.
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
They brought this up on "on the couch" tonight. Gresham was kicking into the forward line from a mark and play on (I think) and the forwards didn't lead. Lyon said if we need to work on this.
As ex-president Peter Summers said:
“If we are going to be a contender, we may as well plan to win the bloody thing.”
I raised the issue of our poor disposal into the forward 50 with Richo at a supporter function in his second year as coach. He was not concerned then and it seems he's still not concerned as the players are still doing the same thing. Mustn't be in the game plan to have the forwards moving and for the mid fielders to hit a target.
