Petracca v Paddy put to rest

[parkeysainter]

IF you are a St.Kilda employee Parkey, I’m getting a wonderful insight into the culture down there.

Utter delusion and backslapping and excuse making.

Acres at 18 is a bang average selection, and Dunstan at pick 19 is a very very average call. Break even at the VERY best.

Employee? Are you Con G?

Acres and Dunstan are good AFL players now and going to get even better. Average? Are you serious?

[Waltzing St Kilda]

No "hindight heroes" about it at all.

Everyone knew Petracca was number one.

Our recruiting geniuses picked Paddy anyway.

BWAH-BWAH.

Who the f*** is accountable for bad decisions?

[ss1986]

And he failure to go for Devon Smith over Coffield or Clark at his stage looks to be a poor call too.

Devon Smith was drafted around 5-6 years ago so how is that relevant to selecting Clark and Coffield at pick 7 and 8 last year.

We went for D. Smith and no one knows what was offered or if we really wanted him. D. Smith was never worth a 1st round selection if we did so its not even relevant. What a load of horseshit.

We KNOW for a fact that we didnt offer Pick 7 or Pick 8 last year when he was on the trade table. And for a bloke who averages 22 touches and 10 tackles a week, we could well have used him and had him in his prime for our supposed tilt at 2020.

One would argue we could sure as hell use him now.

But no- Pick 7 and 8, which mind you has NEVER yielded two quality players in the same draft that would have kicked us on to greater heights in the long term, was used on two kids. One a defender which we have a truckload of, and a kid who Im not quite sure what he is going to be .

That draft showed the complete and utter confusion as to where this club is at. We hear we are Top 4, but recruited for 5-10 years time.

A shambles in every way.

[The Fireman]

we haven't had an eye for talent since Beveridge and let's not forget the talent we have given away..

[parkeysainter]

And he failure to go for Devon Smith over Coffield or Clark at his stage looks to be a poor call too.

Devon Smith was drafted around 5-6 years ago so how is that relevant to selecting Clark and Coffield at pick 7 and 8 last year.

We went for D. Smith and no one knows what was offered or if we really wanted him. D. Smith was never worth a 1st round selection if we did so its not even relevant. What a load of horseshit.

We KNOW for a fact that we didnt offer Pick 7 or Pick 8 last year when he was on the trade table. And for a bloke who averages 22 touches and 10 tackles a week, we could well have used him and had him in his prime for our supposed tilt at 2020.

One would argue we could sure as hell use him now.

But no- Pick 7 and 8, which mind you has NEVER yielded two quality players in the same draft that would have kicked us on to greater heights in the long term, was used on two kids. One a defender which we have a truckload of, and a kid who Im not quite sure what he is going to be .

That draft showed the complete and utter confusion as to where this club is at. We hear we are Top 4, but recruited for 5-10 years time.

A shambles in every way.

Crap. If we could have got someone for pick 7 and 8 like Kelly then we would have used them. But we didn't and no one was available so you get the best kids in the draft which we did. The right move and the sensible move. If you think Coffield and Clark aren't going to be players of the future then you haven't watched them. Those two are going to be better than anything we have drafted since the rebuild.

[ss1986]

And he failure to go for Devon Smith over Coffield or Clark at his stage looks to be a poor call too.

Devon Smith was drafted around 5-6 years ago so how is that relevant to selecting Clark and Coffield at pick 7 and 8 last year.

We went for D. Smith and no one knows what was offered or if we really wanted him. D. Smith was never worth a 1st round selection if we did so its not even relevant. What a load of horseshit.

We KNOW for a fact that we didnt offer Pick 7 or Pick 8 last year when he was on the trade table. And for a bloke who averages 22 touches and 10 tackles a week, we could well have used him and had him in his prime for our supposed tilt at 2020.

One would argue we could sure as hell use him now.

But no- Pick 7 and 8, which mind you has NEVER yielded two quality players in the same draft that would have kicked us on to greater heights in the long term, was used on two kids. One a defender which we have a truckload of, and a kid who Im not quite sure what he is going to be .

That draft showed the complete and utter confusion as to where this club is at. We hear we are Top 4, but recruited for 5-10 years time.

A shambles in every way.

Crap. If we could have got someone for pick 7 and 8 like Kelly then we would have used them. But we didn't and no one was available so you get the best kids in the draft which we did. The right move and the sensible move. If you think Coffield and Clark aren't going to be players of the future then you haven't watched them. Those two are going to be better than anything we have drafted since the rebuild.

Essendon gave pick 11......

If we had smart recruiters, we’d have taken a punt on a kid and a known known like Smith.

But no...... this is St.Kilda. Of course you all know better.

[Devilhead]

And he failure to go for Devon Smith over Coffield or Clark at his stage looks to be a poor call too.

Devon Smith was drafted around 5-6 years ago so how is that relevant to selecting Clark and Coffield at pick 7 and 8 last year.

We went for D. Smith and no one knows what was offered or if we really wanted him. D. Smith was never worth a 1st round selection if we did so its not even relevant. What a load of horseshit.

We KNOW for a fact that we didnt offer Pick 7 or Pick 8 last year when he was on the trade table. And for a bloke who averages 22 touches and 10 tackles a week, we could well have used him and had him in his prime for our supposed tilt at 2020.

One would argue we could sure as hell use him now.

But no- Pick 7 and 8, which mind you has NEVER yielded two quality players in the same draft that would have kicked us on to greater heights in the long term, was used on two kids. One a defender which we have a truckload of, and a kid who Im not quite sure what he is going to be .

That draft showed the complete and utter confusion as to where this club is at. We hear we are Top 4, but recruited for 5-10 years time.

A shambles in every way.

Crap. If we could have got someone for pick 7 and 8 like Kelly then we would have used them. But we didn't and no one was available so you get the best kids in the draft which we did. The right move and the sensible move. If you think Coffield and Clark aren't going to be players of the future then you haven't watched them. Those two are going to be better than anything we have drafted since the rebuild.

Essendon gave pick 11......

If we had smart recruiters, we’d have taken a punt on a kid and a known known like Smith.

But no...... this is St.Kilda. Of course you all know better.

There were question marks over Smith's durability (dodgy knees) - given this years drop off we made the right choice as Smith would not have made a difference and we now have two very good juniors on the books

Coffield averaging - 16 disposals, 5 marks and 2 tackles in 7 games
Clark averaging - 15 disposals, 2 marks, 2 tackles - 7 games

Both have shown very good decision making and poise at times

Smith is 25 and Essendon are 12th

[kosifantutti]

Gave up pick 11 and got back pick 24 and a future second rounder. But you with 20/20 hindsight want to give up pick 8

Edit: Too slow. That was a response to cg1986

[dragit]

Devon smith ? WTF?

We certainly don't need another player who only gets 22 touches, would vomit if we had of handed over pick 7 or 8.

Brayshaw is looking the goods right now if we really want do the whole navel gazing schtick.

[parkeysainter]

And he failure to go for Devon Smith over Coffield or Clark at his stage looks to be a poor call too.

Devon Smith was drafted around 5-6 years ago so how is that relevant to selecting Clark and Coffield at pick 7 and 8 last year.

We went for D. Smith and no one knows what was offered or if we really wanted him. D. Smith was never worth a 1st round selection if we did so its not even relevant. What a load of horseshit.

We KNOW for a fact that we didnt offer Pick 7 or Pick 8 last year when he was on the trade table. And for a bloke who averages 22 touches and 10 tackles a week, we could well have used him and had him in his prime for our supposed tilt at 2020.

One would argue we could sure as hell use him now.

But no- Pick 7 and 8, which mind you has NEVER yielded two quality players in the same draft that would have kicked us on to greater heights in the long term, was used on two kids. One a defender which we have a truckload of, and a kid who Im not quite sure what he is going to be .

That draft showed the complete and utter confusion as to where this club is at. We hear we are Top 4, but recruited for 5-10 years time.

A shambles in every way.

Crap. If we could have got someone for pick 7 and 8 like Kelly then we would have used them. But we didn't and no one was available so you get the best kids in the draft which we did. The right move and the sensible move. If you think Coffield and Clark aren't going to be players of the future then you haven't watched them. Those two are going to be better than anything we have drafted since the rebuild.

Essendon gave pick 11......

If we had smart recruiters, we’d have taken a punt on a kid and a known known like Smith.

But no...... this is St.Kilda. Of course you all know better.

There were question marks over Smith's durability (dodgy knees) - given this years drop off we made the right choice as Smith would not have made a difference and we now have two very good juniors on the books

Coffield averaging - 16 disposals, 5 marks and 2 tackles in 7 games
Clark averaging - 15 disposals, 2 marks, 2 tackles - 7 games

Both have shown very good decision making and poise at times

Smith is 25 and Essendon are 12th

Well said Devilhead. Those numbers of Clark and Coffield will only rise over time also.
Smith has very bad knees. Essendon were just desperate for another proven player - same as recruiting Stringer and Saad.

[ss1986]

So we didn’t pick up Smith for his dodgy knees, but we have picked up a diabetic in the past who is prone to episodes rendering him effectively drunk and unable to function. Righto.

Logic.

Is that an admission that the McCartin gamble backfired and we cant take any more risks?

[Linton Lodger]

And he failure to go for Devon Smith over Coffield or Clark at his stage looks to be a poor call too.

Devon Smith was drafted around 5-6 years ago so how is that relevant to selecting Clark and Coffield at pick 7 and 8 last year.

We went for D. Smith and no one knows what was offered or if we really wanted him. D. Smith was never worth a 1st round selection if we did so its not even relevant. What a load of horseshit.

We KNOW for a fact that we didnt offer Pick 7 or Pick 8 last year when he was on the trade table. And for a bloke who averages 22 touches and 10 tackles a week, we could well have used him and had him in his prime for our supposed tilt at 2020.

One would argue we could sure as hell use him now.

But no- Pick 7 and 8, which mind you has NEVER yielded two quality players in the same draft that would have kicked us on to greater heights in the long term, was used on two kids. One a defender which we have a truckload of, and a kid who Im not quite sure what he is going to be .

That draft showed the complete and utter confusion as to where this club is at. We hear we are Top 4, but recruited for 5-10 years time.

A shambles in every way.

Are you seriously suggesting that we should've given up Pick 7 or 8 for Devon Smith? For a start, there's a good chance that Clark and Coffield will both end up better players than him. Nonetheless Smith wasn't worth anywhere near 7 or 8 and would have made neglible difference to us this year.

There were only three players worth getting, Kelly, Martin or Fyfe and none of them were ever leaving their Clubs.

[satchmo]

we haven't had an eye for talent since Beveridge and let's not forget the talent we have given away..

Beveridge is still advising on recruitment.

[satchmo]

Petracca v Brayshaw put to rest also.

[ss1986]

And he failure to go for Devon Smith over Coffield or Clark at his stage looks to be a poor call too.

Devon Smith was drafted around 5-6 years ago so how is that relevant to selecting Clark and Coffield at pick 7 and 8 last year.

We went for D. Smith and no one knows what was offered or if we really wanted him. D. Smith was never worth a 1st round selection if we did so its not even relevant. What a load of horseshit.

We KNOW for a fact that we didnt offer Pick 7 or Pick 8 last year when he was on the trade table. And for a bloke who averages 22 touches and 10 tackles a week, we could well have used him and had him in his prime for our supposed tilt at 2020.

One would argue we could sure as hell use him now.

But no- Pick 7 and 8, which mind you has NEVER yielded two quality players in the same draft that would have kicked us on to greater heights in the long term, was used on two kids. One a defender which we have a truckload of, and a kid who Im not quite sure what he is going to be .

That draft showed the complete and utter confusion as to where this club is at. We hear we are Top 4, but recruited for 5-10 years time.

A shambles in every way.

Are you seriously suggesting that we should've given up Pick 7 or 8 for Devon Smith? For a start, there's a good chance that Clark and Coffield will both end up better players than him. Nonetheless Smith wasn't worth anywhere near 7 or 8 and would have made neglible difference to us this year.

There were only three players worth getting, Kelly, Martin or Fyfe and none of them were ever leaving their Clubs.

If you look at the totality of the trade, they got Smith and Saad for Pick 11 and their second rounder this year, likely to be pick 26 or thereabouts.

Id say that wouldve been a pretty good deal for us to have Smith, Saad and either Clark or Coffield, and likely a better late rounder this year.

For a team that, I reiterate, is supposedly a Top 4 team, that would have been some fair recruiting.

[parkeysainter]

So we didn’t pick up Smith for his dodgy knees, but we have picked up a diabetic in the past who is prone to episodes rendering him effectively drunk and unable to function. Righto.

Logic.

Is that an admission that the McCartin gamble backfired and we cant take any more risks?

Ridiculous post. We picked up Freeman after 2 years of troubles with hamstrings from Collingwood for one. It was a risk and was still the right choice and worth the gamble. We didn't need Smith for a 1st round pick. Good player but not worth the price GWS wanted. He wanted to go to Essendon anyway.

Paddy was never a gamble because of his diabetes. That is ridiculous. He dominated as a junior with diabetes the entire time believe it or not. He was a top 3 U/18 footballer in the entire country! You do also realise that all other 17 AFL clubs would have picked Paddy at some point if they had picks 1 to 3? That is FACT. Don't rewrite history to suit an agenda.

[The Fireman]

we haven't had an eye for talent since Beveridge and let's not forget the talent we have given away..

Beveridge is still advising on recruitment.

really ?? well now I have nothing.

[SaintPav]

You do also realise that all other 17 AFL clubs would have picked Paddy at some point if they had picks 1 to 3? That is FACT. Don't rewrite history to suit an agenda.

You can’t possibly know this for a fact.

Stop the gaslighting because no one is buying it.

[ss1986]

So we didn’t pick up Smith for his dodgy knees, but we have picked up a diabetic in the past who is prone to episodes rendering him effectively drunk and unable to function. Righto.

Logic.

Is that an admission that the McCartin gamble backfired and we cant take any more risks?

Ridiculous post. We picked up Freeman after 2 years of troubles with hamstrings from Collingwood for one. It was a risk and was still the right choice and worth the gamble. We didn't need Smith for a 1st round pick. Good player but not worth the price GWS wanted. He wanted to go to Essendon anyway.

Paddy was never a gamble because of his diabetes. That is ridiculous. He dominated as a junior with diabetes the entire time believe it or not. He was a top 3 U/18 footballer in the entire country! You do also realise that all other 17 AFL clubs would have picked Paddy at some point if they had picks 1 to 3? That is FACT. Don't rewrite history to suit an agenda.

YOU said to ME we werent intersted because of his knees.

And Elshaug was asked if Paddy’s diabetes would be an issue to which he emphatically cried no is what I have heard on this site.

So someone thought to ask.... and someone said it wasnt a drama.... and they were wrong.

[ss1986]

I find it staggering that a top 3 Under 18 player can then arrive at St.Kilda and not even appear to be anything more than a top 40 draft pick.

Recruitment is s*** or development is s***.... or more likely both are.

[parkeysainter]

You do also realise that all other 17 AFL clubs would have picked Paddy at some point if they had picks 1 to 3? That is FACT. Don't rewrite history to suit an agenda.

You can’t possibly know this for a fact.

Stop the gaslighting because no one is buying it.

No gaslighting. It is fact. It was either Paddy, Petrecca or Brayshaw. Every club would haved taken one or the other 1 to 3.

[SaintPav]

You do also realise that all other 17 AFL clubs would have picked Paddy at some point if they had picks 1 to 3? That is FACT. Don't rewrite history to suit an agenda.

You can’t possibly know this for a fact.

Stop the gaslighting because no one is buying it.

No gaslighting. It is fact. It was either Paddy, Petrecca or Brayshaw. Every club would haved taken one or the other 1 to 3.

Sure, Parkeysainter. It’s a fact because you exactly know what 17 clubs were going to do.

You really are deluded.

Good luck with that!

[parkeysainter]

I find it staggering that a top 3 Under 18 player can then arrive at St.Kilda and not even appear to be anything more than a top 40 draft pick.

Recruitment is s*** or development is s***.... or more likely both are.

Your assessment is unfair. He would have arrived at any club like that then if thats what you think. Guess all 18 clubs and their recruiters have no idea then but you do.

[parkeysainter]

You do also realise that all other 17 AFL clubs would have picked Paddy at some point if they had picks 1 to 3? That is FACT. Don't rewrite history to suit an agenda.

You can’t possibly know this for a fact.

Stop the gaslighting because no one is buying it.

No gaslighting. It is fact. It was either Paddy, Petrecca or Brayshaw. Every club would haved taken one or the other 1 to 3.

Sure, Parkeysainter. It’s a fact because you exactly know what 17 clubs were going to do.

You really are deluded.

Good luck with that!

Who else would they have taken then?
Do some research if you dare.

[To the top]

ss1986

Do you ever read what you contribute?

You are a rude, ignorant and repulsiveness excuse for an individual

Mc Cartin is a Type 1 diabetic

The condition takes monitoring and management

That is achievable and Mc Cartin is evidence of that as are many others including one of my very very close friends - and it did not impact on the very successful sporting career he enjoyed at the highest level

If you avail of Annual Medical examinations you will know that blood sugar consequent upon a fasting blood test is a reading from those blood tests - as are numerous other conditions

I have another close friend whose last Annual Medical identified pre Type 3 diabetic and he has undertaken a lifestyle and diet programme to successfully address the condition

Along with diet he has addressed a physical exercise regime - so has lost 10kg in the process

He has had to purchase a new wardrobe - so remains committed!