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dragit wrote:
If Brown is not manning a key forward then what is he doing? There's no point him standing next to Melksham or Hannan.
37 disposals, 14 marks, 5 goals > either he is stopping these guys or is just a liability, as he contributes nothing when we have the ball.
Who did Brown curtail that would justify keeping his spot in the side?
I think this post has gone a little off topic so this will be my last post on Brown here. I think you missed my point He usually takes he's guy out of the equation. It makes little sense to mention stats for multiple players that had multiple players marking them. It makes as much sense as saying he let them kick all 16 goals. Re-watch the highlights (lowlights) and you will see that Brown usually has he's man covered. If the ball gets kicked to a player he is not marking then it is not his role to stop it nor is it physically possible.
We got Brown to be a stopper and that is what he does most games. He does get beaten on occasions, everyone does especially against class i.e. Ben Brown but who would have honestly done better. Plus he should only play games where the opposition has a big full forward, he is not worth playing when they are all small and agile.
I completely agree he has no offence but that is not why we got him. You can't be annoyed that someone isn't doing something he was never meant to do.
In saying that Logan from all accounts isn't tearing it up at VFL level nor did he at AFL in Adelaide. We shouldn't just play him because we have to justify trading him in. Goddard is slow as so who would you replace Brown with and why?
Okay so we agree on brown being there for the danger key forwards, with the stats I have put up, im trying to establish who was in the team to stop & whether he did the job.
People are saying he is going great but no-one seems to able come up with a player that he beat which would give him another week.
Who did he stop for Melbourne and who would he be looking to stop in the freo side?
The fact is he played every game last year regardless of their tall forward stocks and it is looking likely again.
Put Logan in to have a good look at him and play Carlisle updront for a while as a swingman.
We need to play players with potential and have a good look at them, guys like Armitage is just a waste of time.
I do not know if Logan will make it or not, but he is symptomatic or our current confused and haphazaed recruting.
Yet another tall defender. So Carlisle, Goddard, Brown, Clavarino and now Austin amongst the latest batch.
While Brown made sense if your goal was to give Roo a last crack at a flag, Roo is gone now and so the mindset should now firmly be on developing our youth and building our new team.
If we had the faith to pay the price to get Austin, we should now in what is now a development year have the faith to play and develop him with some games in the firsts.
But the club maintains its haphazard approach instead.
PS... with the tall players that we have the club should now concentrate on class in our engine room. Mids needs to be the focus of our new acquisitions.
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saintsRrising wrote:I do not know if Logan will make it or not, but he is symptomatic or our current confused and haphazaed recruting.
Yet another tall defender. So Carlisle, Goddard, Brown, Clavarino and now Austin amongst the latest batch.
While Brown made sense if your goal was to give Roo a last crack at a flag, Roo is gone now and so the mindset should now firmly be on developing our youth and building our now team.
If we had the faith to pay the price to get Austin, we should now in what is now a development year have the faith to play and develop him with some games in the firsts.
But the club maintains its haphazard approach instead.
PS... with the tall players that we have the club should now concentrate on class in our engine room. Mids needs to be the focus.
I can't understand why we went for both Calavarino and Austin. Wasn't our focus on quick, outside miss with good kicking skills? With Goddard and Brown already there surely one or the other would have been sufficient, especially as we traded ourselves out if this year's rounds 2 and 3. Bewildering.
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saintsRrising wrote:the mindset should now firmly be on developing our youth and building our new team.
Bingo, just wasting valuable game time with Brown, like we did on Weller last year instead of getting a good look at Long a season earlier.
But Weller is a hunk. Marketing dreamboat. The muscles. The huffing. The puffing. The golden tan. The hair. The fact he cant actually play is irrelevant.
Even now the coach cant bring himself to drop Mav. Has to claim that he is 'injured'.
saintsRrising wrote:I do not know if Logan will make it or not, but he is symptomatic or our current confused and haphazaed recruting.
Yet another tall defender. So Carlisle, Goddard, Brown, Clavarino and now Austin amongst the latest batch.
While Brown made sense if your goal was to give Roo a last crack at a flag, Roo is gone now and so the mindset should now firmly be on developing our youth and building our now team.
If we had the faith to pay the price to get Austin, we should now in what is now a development year have the faith to play and develop him with some games in the firsts.
But the club maintains its haphazard approach instead.
PS... with the tall players that we have the club should now concentrate on class in our engine room. Mids needs to be the focus.
I can't understand why we went for both Calavarino and Austin. Wasn't our focus on quick, outside miss with good kicking skills? With Goddard and Brown already there surely one or the other would have been sufficient, especially as we traded ourselves out if this year's rounds 2 and 3. Bewildering.
I just think it is conceding that Goddard will never make it.
I tgink they made that call at the end of last year and decided to get a partky developed young KPD who will be right to go in the right time frame.
Clavarino as a back up, Goddard to be delisted.
saintsRrising wrote:the mindset should now firmly be on developing our youth and building our new team.
Bingo, just wasting valuable game time with Brown, like we did on Weller last year instead of getting a good look at Long a season earlier.
their hand's been forced, due to tragic long term injuries to Roberton, Koby, etc
and they now have to promote guys.
That's a positive, I suppose.
A real Sainter will pledge allegiance to the ❤ and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
saintsRrising wrote:the mindset should now firmly be on developing our youth and building our new team.
Bingo, just wasting valuable game time with Brown, like we did on Weller last year instead of getting a good look at Long a season earlier.
But Weller is a hunk. Marketing dreamboat. The muscles. The huffing. The puffing. The golden tan. The hair. The fact he cant actually play is irrelevant.
Even now the coach cant bring himself to drop Mav. Has to claim that he is 'injured'.
Doesn't want to get on Mav's bad side.
get onto Twitter and check out @matoots57. This wonderful lady is a 44 year member. Let that sink in.
44 years is longer than a large chunk of our 40k+ members have been on this earth.
This wonderful lady is an official sponsor of Mavelicious.
Not sure how many other sponsors he has?
Would the club be worried about such coterie members, when it comes to selecting the team?
It's the old "money talks" thing for me.
Yes, I am a conspiracy theorist; I firmly deny that man ever stepped foot on the moon.
There. I said it.
A real Sainter will pledge allegiance to the ❤ and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
Remember one of the 10 Commandments : Thou shalt have no other team before thee
Toy Saint wrote: ↑Sat 26 May 2018 7:54pm
Can't see Nathan Brown getting back into this team, Logan was like an extra player with all those possessions.
Fair comment.
But then, the Tigers didn't have any monster forwards.
Brown has his place on the list.
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saynta wrote: ↑Fri 25 May 2018 5:40pm
Gawd, some of you are quick to pull the trigger. The poor kid has had a bad run with injuries and missed most of last year.
Give him a break.
The last thing Goddard needs is a break.
He needs to run, run and run, not plod, plod, plod and plod.
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saintsRrising wrote:the mindset should now firmly be on developing our youth and building our new team.
Bingo, just wasting valuable game time with Brown, like we did on Weller last year instead of getting a good look at Long a season earlier.
But Weller is a hunk. Marketing dreamboat. The muscles. The huffing. The puffing. The golden tan. The hair. The fact he cant actually play is irrelevant.
Even now the coach cant bring himself to drop Mav. Has to claim that he is 'injured'.
Doesn't want to get on Mav's bad side.
get onto Twitter and check out @matoots57. This wonderful lady is a 44 year member. Let that sink in.
44 years is longer than a large chunk of our 40k+ members have been on this earth.
This wonderful lady is an official sponsor of Mavelicious.
Not sure how many other sponsors he has?
Would the club be worried about such coterie members, when it comes to selecting the team?
It's the old "money talks" thing for me.
Yes, I am a conspiracy theorist; I firmly deny that man ever stepped foot on the moon.
There. I said it.
I remember.
I saw it.
On TV.
In black and white.
But the picture was upside down.
In all twelve walked on the moon.
Apollo 13 did not make it.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
saynta wrote: ↑Sat 26 May 2018 8:12pmBut then, the Tigers didn't have any monser forwards.
Brown has his place on the list.
I haven't been able to establish which "monster" forwards brown has stopped for the past 9 weeks, in fact even his supporters go silent whenever I ask…
Today highlights a ridiculous situation…
Brown only has a place on the list if we want stay on the bottom of the ladder, football has moved on from pure stoppers… it's embarrassing to pretend otherwise and is costing us valuable experience for players like Logan.
saynta wrote: ↑Sat 26 May 2018 8:12pmBut then, the Tigers didn't have any monser forwards.
Brown has his place on the list.
I haven't been able to establish which "monster" forwards brown has stopped for the past 9 weeks, in fact even his supporters go silent whenever I ask…
Today highlights a ridiculous situation…
Brown only has a place on the list if we want stay on the bottom of the ladder, football has moved on from pure stoppers… it's embarrassing to pretend otherwise and is costing us valuable experience for players like Logan.
He did a good job on Hawkins. So he is useful for the one time a year we play Geelong who have the only 'stay at home' fwd in the comp.
I actually think Brown is a very good football player.
But we are 3rd last. I just dont see any point playing him. It isnt his fault.
If we were top 8 then he holds his spot. But we arent.
and despise the Pies, the Blues, and the Injectors.
