Great insights by David King

[One Eyed Saint]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/david- ... e342d837f7

[rodgerfox]

We've only been saying the exact same thing on here for 18 months!

[bigred]

Just look at that last example from Lonie....

[saintspremiers]

Good article. Another nail in the Richo case.

0-4 and 54% against the Top 8 says it all.

In the scheme of things, three good ol’ floggings in the next 3 weeks makes Richo’s job untenable in the short term, which would expediate things nicely.

It would be ugly to watch, both on and off field, but would be for the greater long term good.

As Firey would say, I’m torn!

[cwrcyn]

Bomb it to the goal square is clearly a coaching instruction....totally dumb. WE've been howling abut it all year, and yet our multi-million dollar coaching team can't get it into their thick skulls that to is a useless, outdated, and self destructive strategy. You could pay a local thirds coach 20k a year to do the same, save a tone of money, and get the same outcomes.

[saintspremiers]

Bomb it to the goal square is clearly a coaching instruction....totally dumb. WE've been howling abut it all year, and yet our multi-million dollar coaching team can't get it into their thick skulls that to is a useless, outdated, and self destructive strategy. You could pay a local thirds coach 20k a year to do the same, save a tone of money, and get the same outcomes.

But Richo on his Holman YouTube post match clips wants to be able to say “I thought we did really well to get more inside 50’s then <insert team>, we just failed to convert or keep it in there”

[Junior]

My father contacted the club after the JLT series and vented his spleen about our constant bombing off the ball to the top of the square .

Asked the question what they had spent the summer working on?

To the clubs credit he received a reply stating that they had identified this as an issue and that it would be addressed before the season proper and that it was not the coaches instruction to do so.

Yet here we sit half a season later with the same issue, so if we take the response on face value and it is not the instruction from Richo then either the players are not listening or are not capable of lowering their eyes. Either way it is Richo's responsibility to have addressed and fixed the situation.

It is dumb football, Predictable and easy to defend against.

They need to start dropping repeat offenders or we are just accepting the behaviour , if I was coach I would tear strips of players who do this.

Metres gained is such a crap stat, should be metres gained and a team mate ends up with ball.

Savage, Ross and Newnes are all players who simply kick the ball long the majority of the time bombing it in, all would be high up in metres gained. White is another who despite looking like a lovely kick has a habit of just kicking it as far as he can.

Personally I find it hard to believe that this is not instructed as Sandy do the same thing.

[SaintPav]

I think you will find that the GWS offer of pick 4 and 7 for our pick one in 2014 is a counterfactual.

[rodgerfox]

My father contacted the club after the JLT series and vented his spleen about our constant bombing off the ball to the top of the square .

Asked the question what they had spent the summer working on?

To the clubs credit he received a reply stating that they had identified this as an issue and that it would be addressed before the season proper and that it was not the coaches instruction to do so.

Yet here we sit half a season later with the same issue, so if we take the response on face value and it is not the instruction from Richo then either the players are not listening or are not capable of lowering their eyes. Either way it is Richo's responsibility to have addressed and fixed the situation.

It is dumb football, Predictable and easy to defend against.

They need to start dropping repeat offenders or we are just accepting the behaviour , if I was coach I would tear strips of players who do this.

Metres gained is such a crap stat, should be metres gained and a team mate ends up with ball.

Savage, Ross and Newnes are all players who simply kick the ball long the majority of the time bombing it in, all would be high up in metres gained. White is another who despite looking like a lovely kick has a habit of just kicking it as far as he can.

Personally I find it hard to believe that this is not instructed as Sandy do the same thing.

Oh man, it's infuriating.

As you say - they're either following the coach by doing it which is a disaster for Richardson. Or they've been ignoring him and doing it against his wishes for 2 years - and that's probably an even bigger disaster for him!

He's either a terrible strategist, or a terrible communicator and leader.


There have threads on here bumped that talk about this as early as April last year!

[saintspremiers]

I wonder if the bomb it Long inside 50 thing is an issue because the players either aren’t fit enough to run forward fast enough or simply don’t work hard enough when having to change from defence into attack mode?

[WellardSaint]

I get tired of not just AR but other coaches too, all of them, who hang their hats on stats
(that rhymes!)
I imagine the 5 staff sitting in the coaches box, on laptops, are the ones crunching the numbers
and feeding the "35 inside 50's" and "25 pressure acts" etc

You could have a very messy bricklayer who lays bricks 25% faster than a guy on another building site,
but the messy guy's bricks are not even, they are all untidy, he has mortar dripping everywhere.

What's the point of quoting raw numbers without looking at the outcome?
Seriously?

[saynta]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/david- ... e342d837f7

Thanks for posting that video. I have referred to what Kingy said in several other threads, but it is so much better to see it first hand.

[axcellence]

David King even liked that comment...




So, nothing doing... it's like bleating in the wild. They don't listen and don't care.



Obviously, those posts were done around Jul 15 and things got much worse.

[oh when the]

All Richo had to do us drag any player that did not follow his instruction i have not seen that done.

[oh when the]

All Richo had to do is drag any player that did not follow his instruction i have not seen that done.

[Linton Lodger]

I think you will find that the GWS offer of pick 4 and 7 for our pick one in 2014 is a counterfactual.

Yes, my recollection is that we made that offer and GWS knocked it back.

[WellardSaint]

All Richo had to do us drag any player that did not follow his instruction i have not seen that done.

Marshall kicked the ball to a Pies player or something,
Richo dragged him and took him behind the shelter sheds for a beating.
Richo said afterwards: "Marshall's probably our best kick, and I was disappointed that he didn't trust himself"

NEXT....

[resaintlee]

I wonder if the bomb it Long inside 50 thing is an issue because the players either aren’t fit enough to run forward fast enough or simply don’t work hard enough when having to change from defence into attack mode?

Maybe it was meant to be 'bomb it to long'

[Superboot]

If I looked up and saw our forwards standing in the goal square and there was no-one else to give it to I'd probably bomb it long too. Lack of movement among the forwards is also a basic problem. And then of course there's spilling the ball when you are on a lead or missing the kick for goal when you didn't spill the mark.

[shrodes]

If I looked up and saw our forwards standing in the goal square and there was no-one else to give it to I'd probably bomb it long too. Lack of movement among the forwards is also a basic problem. And then of course there's spilling the ball when you are on a lead or missing the kick for goal when you didn't spill the mark.

It's not just a problem of no movement in the forward line. How often this season have we got the short kick out and mark then everyone just stands still. Then umpire calls play on and we bomb it up the boundary to a contest or outnumber.

What has happened to overlap or leading at the man? Have we been instructed to conserve energy to prevent the rebound goal by opposition, or just lazy?

[rodgerfox]

If I looked up and saw our forwards standing in the goal square and there was no-one else to give it to I'd probably bomb it long too. Lack of movement among the forwards is also a basic problem. And then of course there's spilling the ball when you are on a lead or missing the kick for goal when you didn't spill the mark.

I don't think anyone has an issue with kicking long to a contest inside 50 if there are no other options.

But the issue is, that repeatedly, over an 18 month period, probably longer, there have been better options and they get ignored - only to 'bomb it' to a congested and predictable area which was once upon known as the 'hot spot'. It was called the hot spot, because once upon a time forwards went one on one with their opponent and this part of the ground was particularly dangerous for defenders.

However since probably 2009, it hasn't been a 'hot spot'. It's actually the easiest part of the ground to defend. Defenders gather there in numbers, so a contested mark is nigh on impossible. And further to that, teams train to rebound from the 'hot spot'. So not only do you have very little chance of scoring if you kick it there - you actually open yourself up badly to the opposition rebounding and hurting you the other way.


The 'bomb it in' strategy can be dangerous, if used at the correct time. If you see a one on one or a mismatch then go for it. It's also great as a 'get out' for players that are under extreme pressure and just have to throw it on their boot. It's a reasonable Plan B.

But it should never be Plan A.


It's just utterly ridiculous that we're even still talking about this 18 months later.

[rodgerfox]

If I looked up and saw our forwards standing in the goal square and there was no-one else to give it to I'd probably bomb it long too. Lack of movement among the forwards is also a basic problem. And then of course there's spilling the ball when you are on a lead or missing the kick for goal when you didn't spill the mark.

The other reason I think they often stand in the goal square, is that they know that that's where the ball is going. Just like every defender on the ground! It's clearly a strategy of Richardson's to have a tall in the hot spot to make a contest. If they lead, like McCartin regularly does, they just get ignored and have to watch the ball sail over their head to the waiting arms of defenders standing in the hot spot.

[Teflon]

Yup
He’s clueless
Deadly cocktail ....
Unskilled dumb players + dumber coach

[WellardSaint]

as a Perth resident, went to the Rd 8 clash, we were lucky enough to be seated above the forward pocket
as the boys kicked those 3rd qtr goals.

Those goals came from being creative and opening up the forward line-
remember Gresh delivering to just in front of Stuv, it was a BRILLIANTLY precise kick,
because Stuv did not break stride; and was able to brush aside TWO dockers.

The corridor was open wide. It happened right in front of 300-500 screaming Sainters. Unforgettable.

[Wayne42]

as a Perth resident, went to the Rd 8 clash, we were lucky enough to be seated above the forward pocket
as the boys kicked those 3rd qtr goals.

Those goals came from being creative and opening up the forward line-
remember Gresh delivering to just in front of Stuv, it was a BRILLIANTLY precise kick,
because Stuv did not break stride; and was able to brush aside TWO dockers.

The corridor was open wide. It happened right in front of 300-500 screaming Sainters. Unforgettable.

Who is Stuv ?