Frees for and against saints

[The_Dud]

Two umpires blow there whistle one a free to Hawthorn one to us. Hawks take the kick. Coffield in full view of the umps pushed into the ground with two hands in the back play on in our goal square. Long dives for a mark has the ball gets taken front on umpire pays below the knees. All bulls***.

And plenty of questionable decisions went our way too. It’s called football.

[Joffa Burns]

Lions. 20 to 26 Win

Roos. 16 to 23 Loss

Crows. 17 to 21 Loss

Cats. 23 to 25 Loss

GWS. 18 TO 20 Draw

Hawks. 14 to 18 Loss

Total. 108 to 133

Bump.

Says it all really. Not that we don't play like crap mind you.

What exactly is it saying? Humour me

Ah, no.

Ok. I'll have a crack at it then. It's a stat trotted out by those with a chip on their shoulder and who are completely paranoid that believe that the big bad AFL are out to get us. Makes us feel slightly better about our hopelessness than having to admit that our patheticness is completely our doing? Close?

Better to have a chip on my shoulder than my head up my arse like you and your bogan low brow mate.

2009 Statistics Sorted by Frees For 2009 Team Statistics Ladder



2009 Statistics Sorted by Frees For 2009 Team Statistics Ladder


Rk Team Gm K
HB
D
M
G
GA
I50
BH
T
HO
FF
FA
AF
SC

1 Hawks
22 4386 3822 8208 2121 306 187 1045 284 1607 916 511 448 35746 37762
2 Cats
25 4654 4136 8790 2210 296 217 1138 236 1639 850 472 514 37178 37419
3 Crows
24 4611 4493 9104 2377 284 203 1028 238 1554 788 451 397 38117 38393
4 Swans
22 4279 2962 7241 1998 294 184 1091 263 1436 836 429 377 32628 36087
5 Saints
25 4556 4422 8978 2222 232 153 1016 204 1578 943 424 480 36967 37492
6 Magpies
25 5040 4647 9687 2564 295 195 1208 286 1296 1017 416 359 39661 40789
7 Eagles
22 4532 4143 8675 2265 297 191 1101 247 1499 746 403 421 36559 38180
8 Bulldogs
25 4898 4696 9594 2548 315 234 1210 262 1549 738 401 422 39894 39938
9 Dockers
22 4418 4221 8639 2126 333 227 1150 261 1369 607 396 366 35676 38637
10 Lions
24 4874 4206 9080 2462 304 223 1219 277 1376 952 396 390 38162 40351
11 Blues
23 4386 3917 8303 2097 316 210 1141 270 1283 840 393 431 34467 36972
12 Bombers
23 4492 3831 8323 2289 336 248 1172 277 1415 927 393 384 36095 38121
13 Tigers
22 4354 3726 8080 2206 348 237 1179 300 1450 859 393 376 35393 37581
14 Power
22 4349 4114 8463 2127 332 233 1129 252 1300 673 384 422 34850 37691
15 Kangaroos
22 4387 3824 8211 2143 293 209 1182 257 1399 847 382 426 34738 36812
16 Demons
22 4619 4363 8982 2284 332 245 1209


2009 Saints
frees for 424
frees against 480

Not sure were you get your stats Freebird, AFL stats have frees for 484 and frees against 421.
Even saynta previously posted the positive numbers in our favor for the 09 season.

[axcellence]

Haven’t read the entire thread but a lot of incompetent free kicks given by players.

Acres - one free in the ruck when he didn’t nominate to be the ruck.
Billings - gets tackled in the hip/legs and drops the ball rather than handball. Then gets tackled and just drops the ball rather than attempt anything. Just crazy how many free kicks he gave away.

[Joffa Burns]

Better to have a chip on my shoulder than my head up my arse like you and your bogan low brow mate.

I admire you saynta, the first step in dealing with your issues is acknowledging them.
Have you considered attending a group meeting? Check these guys out: angryhuman@samboyshoulder.anonymous.au

If you can address your anger management and illiteracy you will be well on your way to a better forum experience

[portosaint]

Haven’t read the entire thread but a lot of incompetent free kicks given by players.

Acres - one free in the ruck when he didn’t nominate to be the ruck.
Billings - gets tackled in the hip/legs and drops the ball rather than handball. Then gets tackled and just drops the ball rather than attempt anything. Just crazy how many free kicks he gave away.

That whole ruck nomination crap is absurd. Just a totally pointless show of authority by the AFL and the umpires.

As long as there is no 3rd person involved in the contest, play on. No need for unnecessary chit chat. Players have enough to worry about.

What's next... Defenders having to call out before they stick a fist in??

[sunsaint]

Haven’t read the entire thread but a lot of incompetent free kicks given by players.

Acres - one free in the ruck when he didn’t nominate to be the ruck.
Billings - gets tackled in the hip/legs and drops the ball rather than handball. Then gets tackled and just drops the ball rather than attempt anything. Just crazy how many free kicks he gave away.

That whole ruck nomination crap is absurd. Just a totally pointless show of authority by the AFL and the umpires.

As long as there is no 3rd person involved in the contest, play on. No need for unnecessary chit chat. Players have enough to worry about.

What's next... Defenders having to call out before they stick a fist in??

You haven't really thought this through - or have forgotten the very reason why the rule was brought in
In your world all you have to do is "look" like you are going to compete against the oppo ruck - stand there (effectively blocking) while your team mate takes the ruck. You can always claim you were never going to take the ruck

[Freebird]

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... e=OT&sby=2

[saynta]

Lions. 20 to 26 Win

Roos. 16 to 23 Loss

Crows. 17 to 21 Loss

Cats. 23 to 25 Loss

GWS. 18 TO 20 Draw

Hawks. 14 to 18 Loss

Total. 108 to 133

Bump.

Says it all really. Not that we don't play like crap mind you.

What exactly is it saying? Humour me

Ah, no.

Ok. I'll have a crack at it then. It's a stat trotted out by those with a chip on their shoulder and who are completely paranoid that believe that the big bad AFL are out to get us. Makes us feel slightly better about our hopelessness than having to admit that our patheticness is completely our doing? Close?

Better to have a chip on my shoulder than my head up my arse like you and your bogan low brow mate.

2009 Statistics Sorted by Frees For 2009 Team Statistics Ladder



2009 Statistics Sorted by Frees For 2009 Team Statistics Ladder


Rk Team Gm K
HB
D
M
G
GA
I50
BH
T
HO
FF
FA
AF
SC

1 Hawks
22 4386 3822 8208 2121 306 187 1045 284 1607 916 511 448 35746 37762
2 Cats
25 4654 4136 8790 2210 296 217 1138 236 1639 850 472 514 37178 37419
3 Crows
24 4611 4493 9104 2377 284 203 1028 238 1554 788 451 397 38117 38393
4 Swans
22 4279 2962 7241 1998 294 184 1091 263 1436 836 429 377 32628 36087
5 Saints
25 4556 4422 8978 2222 232 153 1016 204 1578 943 424 480 36967 37492
6 Magpies
25 5040 4647 9687 2564 295 195 1208 286 1296 1017 416 359 39661 40789
7 Eagles
22 4532 4143 8675 2265 297 191 1101 247 1499 746 403 421 36559 38180
8 Bulldogs
25 4898 4696 9594 2548 315 234 1210 262 1549 738 401 422 39894 39938
9 Dockers
22 4418 4221 8639 2126 333 227 1150 261 1369 607 396 366 35676 38637
10 Lions
24 4874 4206 9080 2462 304 223 1219 277 1376 952 396 390 38162 40351
11 Blues
23 4386 3917 8303 2097 316 210 1141 270 1283 840 393 431 34467 36972
12 Bombers
23 4492 3831 8323 2289 336 248 1172 277 1415 927 393 384 36095 38121
13 Tigers
22 4354 3726 8080 2206 348 237 1179 300 1450 859 393 376 35393 37581
14 Power
22 4349 4114 8463 2127 332 233 1129 252 1300 673 384 422 34850 37691
15 Kangaroos
22 4387 3824 8211 2143 293 209 1182 257 1399 847 382 426 34738 36812
16 Demons
22 4619 4363 8982 2284 332 245 1209


2009 Saints
frees for 424
frees against 480

I always thought those 2009 freekick statistics were wrong.

Dodgy even. Fancy the AFL getting something wrong.


Thanks mate.

[saynta]

Two umpires blow there whistle one a free to Hawthorn one to us. Hawks take the kick. Coffield in full view of the umps pushed into the ground with two hands in the back play on in our goal square. Long dives for a mark has the ball gets taken front on umpire pays below the knees. All bulls***.

And plenty of questionable decisions went our way too. It’s called football.

Care to point them out dud one.

[Joffa Burns]

I always thought those 2009 freekick statistics were wrong.

Dodgy even. Fancy the AFL getting something wrong.

Thanks mate.

Lol, the conspiracy now has the AFL altering the stats.

I'm sure the AFL has again cheated as it is not possible that a fan website got the numbers wrong

So you always thought the numbers were wrong, but posted them anyway

Probably the literacy issue raising its head again, I'm sure there would be adult classes you could attend saynta.

[Sainternist]

If the team had actually busted a gut to win each week, maybe I'd actually give a damn about free kick stats. Until then, it's the least of our problems.

[saynta]

If the team had actually busted a gut to win each week, maybe I'd actually give a damn about free kick stats. Until then, it's the least of our problems.

No, it's just another one of our many problems and I will keep posting them after every game.

The haters can continue to hate.

I couldn't give a fat rat's half eaten arsehole.

[Moods]

If the team had actually busted a gut to win each week, maybe I'd actually give a damn about free kick stats. Until then, it's the least of our problems.

No, it's just another one of our many problems and I will keep posting them after every game.

The haters can continue to hate.

I couldn't give a fat rat's half eaten arsehole.

Haters??? A little over the top don't you think? Just think it's a completely meaningless statistic and not sure why you think it's so important that you need to post it every week. Next thing you will be telling us that we just need to kick the bloody thing down the guts and stop mucking around with it. My parents (God bless them) love their footy and spend their analysis after games complaining about umpires and how they're getting worse. I have heard the same conversation from them for the last 35 years.

As Sainternist has said, the umpires aren the least of our problems and I'd be horrified if the club was wasting precious energy on them. Ever sat and watched a game with an opposition supporter? Even just on TV at home? It's only then you realise how biased every supporter is. Every 50/50 call should be the team you're supporting without even realising it.

[The_Dud]

Two umpires blow there whistle one a free to Hawthorn one to us. Hawks take the kick. Coffield in full view of the umps pushed into the ground with two hands in the back play on in our goal square. Long dives for a mark has the ball gets taken front on umpire pays below the knees. All bulls***.

And plenty of questionable decisions went our way too. It’s called football.

Care to point them out dud one.

Unfortunately, unlike yourself, I don’t watch the game specifically to complain about and document 50/50 calls that don’t go our way. But off the top of my head, Long got the ball in the back pocket, turned into traffic and ducked his head and got a free for high contact, which he shouldn’t have, very lucky it wasn’t called holding the ball. Also there were a few marking contests where our players pushed the opposition out which could have easily been called as free kicks but weren’t. I remember in the first half we had multiple shots at goal resulting from decisions going our way.

Your inability to recognise your obvious bias towards the Saints when watching the game is baffling. You expect every 50/50 call to go our way, so naturally half the time when it doesn’t you’re going to be outraged and whinge about it on here. Try watching a game as a neutral supporter and actually documenting all the ‘wrong’ decisions, and I think at the end of the game you will see it goes both ways and is pretty even.

[saynta]

A comment in the age.

"Anon
2 days ago
Only watched the last quarter - with no volume!!!

Thought a couple of charity free kicks drained the life and endeavor from St Kilda early in the last giving Hawthorn easy entry and goals to kill the contest.

The standard of the game, the scheduling of games and the standard of umpiring are draining public interest in the code as confirmed by crowd sizes today

A couple of sides, when going well, might draw crowds but the remainder games draw paltry attendances

Too many teams?"

Too comfortable with media revenue?

[saynta]

Lions. 20 to 26 Win

Roos. 16 to 23 Loss

Crows. 17 to 21 Loss

Cats. 23 to 25 Loss

GWS. 18 TO 20 Draw

Dees. 15 to 20 Loss

[kalsaint]

Lions. 20 to 26 Win

Roos. 16 to 23 Loss

Crows. 17 to 21 Loss

Cats. 23 to 25 Loss

GWS. 18 TO 20 Draw

Total. 94 to 115

s*** and we haven had our perennial Pert game against the Eagles yet where we have somewhere between 7 and 11 to Eagles 21 - 29 frees. We obviously don't tackle right as we give up so many frees OR WE HAVENT BEEN TAUGHT HOW TO DUCK WELL.

[Scollop]

Sam Gilbert went right off at the umpire for calling play on when it was clearly dropping the ball by a Dees player in the goal square or just on front of their goals. Sam laid a good tackle after the Melbourne player hesitated and second guessed whether to handball, kick, or try and baulk.

That is clearly an instance where a player had prior opportunity. The ball was not handballed or kicked. It is incorrect disposal and Sam should have won the free. The umpy called it play on and another Dees player came running in and kicked the goal. Absolutely obvious decision, but for some strange reason they call it play on.

When the game was up for grabs we got reamed again. Webster gets arms chopped and his head nearly taken off in a marking dual and it's called play on. When it goes up the other end and our forwards try a spoil with some fairly soft body contact or head high contact on their defender, the ump immediately blows the whistle and gives them the kick.

There were times in that first half when the closest ump missed an obvious free and the crowd noise convinced him to make late calls . We actually got some dubious frees in the second half and I reckon thaey definitely try and square up the ledger. The ump closest to the action was also overruled from the ump further away a couple of times which is a good thing, but I can't for the life of me work out why they don't just adjudicate the rules and pay the damn frees if they are there.

[saynta]

Well said Scollop.

[shrodes]

While I don't think the umps have anything to do with how badly we're going / playing, I do think Leigh Fisher should never officiate one of our games again.

[barneyboyz]

While I don't think the umps have anything to do with how badly we're going / playing, I do think Leigh Fisher should never officiate one of our games again.

Agree, I don't think they are responsible for the yips in our scoring, but I'm not so sure that they don't influence trends in games. Take this weeks game, the Melbourne ruck takes a mark over the line, passes forward and they score. Ok, that's fine but even the commentators were wondering why it was a mark??? and what? you tell me there wasn't any direct behind the goal line vision of it? only crap from a 45 degree angle??? Pfft.

Sorry folks, it would be great to see what our for and against stats show from the three quarter time perspective over the last 10 years, you know, that time in a game before they start evening things up but the game's GONE! ffs.

[saynta]

Sorry folks, it would be great to see what our for and against stats show from the three quarter time perspective over the last 10 years, you know, that time in a game before they start evening things up but the game's GONE! ffs.

I would bet it would show me were even more royally screwed by the maggots.

Not saying anything just telling a story but I have a good friend who has a son who is an AFL umpire.

His son has a bad gambling habit. Reckons his son and his mates would bet on anything including two flies crawling uo a wall.

They are doing everything they can to break his habit.

[barneyboyz]

Sorry folks, it would be great to see what our for and against stats show from the three quarter time perspective over the last 10 years, you know, that time in a game before they start evening things up but the game's GONE! ffs.

I would bet it would show me were even more royally screwed by the maggots.

Not saying anything just telling a story but I have a good friend who has a son who is an AFL umpire.

His son has a bad gambling habit. Reckons his son and his mates would bet on anything including two flies crawling uo a wall.

They are doing everything they can to break his habit.

That is unfortunate, and just one more thing you wouldn't want to wish upon anyone.

Can you please let him know how much he could make on a Saints win this week?

[saynta]

Sorry folks, it would be great to see what our for and against stats show from the three quarter time perspective over the last 10 years, you know, that time in a game before they start evening things up but the game's GONE! ffs.

I would bet it would show me were even more royally screwed by the maggots.

Not saying anything just telling a story but I have a good friend who has a son who is an AFL umpire.

His son has a bad gambling habit. Reckons his son and his mates would bet on anything including two flies crawling uo a wall.

They are doing everything they can to break his habit.

That is unfortunate, and just one more thing you wouldn't want to wish upon anyone.

Can you please let him know how much he could make on a Saints win this week?

Maybe he has been betting for them to lose.

Or maybe he and his mates are waiting for our odds to blow out into double figures before making a real killing.

[Superboot]

Sam Gilbert went right off at the umpire for calling play on when it was clearly dropping the ball by a Dees player in the goal square or just on front of their goals. Sam laid a good tackle after the Melbourne player hesitated and second guessed whether to handball, kick, or try and baulk.

That is clearly an instance where a player had prior opportunity. The ball was not handballed or kicked. It is incorrect disposal and Sam should have won the free. The umpy called it play on and another Dees player came running in and kicked the goal. Absolutely obvious decision, but for some strange reason they call it play on

+1

Unbelievable non-decision, and at a crucial stage of the game.