Get Hartung

[lefty]

I'd get him for the right pick / price.
I have no idea why the Hawks de-listed him but keep O'Rouke.

Doesn't make sense.

[Con Gorozidis]

I'd get him for the right pick / price.
I have no idea why the Hawks de-listed him but keep O'Rouke.

Doesn't make sense.

O'Rourke is s***. Hartung is shitter?
Surely you can follow that logic?

[Joffa Burns]

Was probably 23rd or 24th player in their premierships years and probably would have netted a 2nd rounder as a trade in 2015, now delisted.

Is and has always been very quick with good endurance, question marks on foot skills and hardness and winning own ball.
22 YO and 63 games under his belt.

Could do worse than give him a couple of seasons at budget price, but who gets the chop to fit him on the list?
I would have him above Meatball & Lonie for starters.

Has outside speed and run, but if Clarko can't get him to play how he wants him to, how will any other coach?

[Beno88]

Picking up Billy Hartung would sit comfortably with selecting Fiora, Polo, McGough, Gamble, Peake, etc.

Absolute dud.

[Devilhead]

He was delisted by the Hawks for a reason yeah ........... The Hawks .............No thanks !!!!!

[magnifisaint]

f*** the freebies. Let's get someone we need. If you want something cheap then go to a flea market. You get what you pay for.

[evertonfc]

Would like to know the full story first. Something doesn't sound right.

Would be be very close to our best 22. He had 26, 32 and 23 touches in his last three games this year.

That's so far ahead of Nathan Wright, Daniel McKenzie and Darren Minchington.

[degruch]

f*** the freebies. Let's get someone we need. If you want something cheap then go to a flea market. You get what you pay for.

It's pretty well documented we need outside run, so from that perspective he's exactly what we need. Bit crap that he's renowned for being a bit soft, but initially, we don't need him to be the next Armo.

He's Hawks starting 22 though, so agree, something smells fishy here.

[Con Gorozidis]

You could be right.
Looked to finish the season ok.
Would be worth a pick 40 you would think.
So maybe there is something fishy.

[bigred]

Something isn't right with this one.

I struggle to see how Hawthorn could not have facilitated a trade and got something in return rather than just de-listing.

SO what is the problem?

Work ethic?
No Dick Heads policy?
Attitude?

What..?

[MickThomas]

Was probably 23rd or 24th player in their premierships years and probably would have netted a 2nd rounder as a trade in 2015, now delisted.

Is and has always been very quick with good endurance, question marks on foot skills and hardness and winning own ball.
22 YO and 63 games under his belt.

Could do worse than give him a couple of seasons at budget price, but who gets the chop to fit him on the list?
I would have him above Meatball & Lonie for starters.

Has outside speed and run, but if Clarko can't get him to play how he wants him to, how will any other coach?

Very good point.
Your comments immediately reminded me of another player that we got from BabyPoo, who was an emergency in one of their flag teams.
He was 'fringe' but has since become quite a decent guy, although was dropped a few times- importantly didn't drop his head but bit the bullet and worked his starfish off; a sure sign of maturity.

[parkeysainter]

Really not sure if we need a Hartung. He is a B grader for sure and has ability but probably wouldn't complement us very much. I don't think we should write him off though. To be honest, he is better than a couple of players on our list that immediately spring to mind.

[Unforgiven]

This will probably be an unpopular post/opinion, but part of the reason players are desisted isn't just playing ability/performance (which I fully recognise is the primary output/measure of an AFL players, that is their purpose of employment).

I was at an AFL seminar in September where Hawthorn high performance manager Andrew Russell (who Sean Dempster just joined) talked about the process at Hawthorn that they've traded/delisted players at their club not primarily due to a lack of performance, but the club acknowledging that the player likely won't reach their full potential at Hawthorn, and they need to make a hard call in delisting them even if there is the risk of them flourishing elsewhere.

I'm not saying Hartung is this diamond in the rough, but think we need to be open minded about young delisted players who maybe haven't had great opportunity, or haven't been used in the best roles given their strengths.

Like or hate him Dawson played a key role for us for a few years, I think our list is at a point with young developing talent and some serious quality about to come in via the draft that if we can't secure proven players via trade/free agency (which we can't), it's worth looking in the VFL and delisted players i.e. Hartung/Talia.

I look at players like Joey/Seb who were honestly quite average in their first few years, I personally though Seb was going to be super average, and this year was a significant improvement.

We've had a fair share of misses as highlighted, Polo, McGough, Gamble, etc.... but what's the risk of taking 1 of these guys on our list versus the 70th+ pick on a guy who may never make it anyways.

[Jacks Back]

You could be right.
Looked to finish the season ok.
Would be worth a pick 40 you would think.
So maybe there is something fishy.

Well we were after some sort of fish, maybe a small fish will have to do this year.

[MickThomas]

You could be right.
Looked to finish the season ok.
Would be worth a pick 40 you would think.
So maybe there is something fishy.

Well we were after some sort of fish, maybe a small fish will have to do this year.

So we take one that someone else has thrown back in the water...

[kalsaint]

Cant defend and his best stat is clangers. He cant even ski downhill. Would rather move Savage to the wing instead.

Yep agree with that based on comments by Saints and Hawthorn supporters on Facebook some time ago.

I watched him after and when under minor pressure he butchers the ball but his speed does him well. When carrying the ball he has a tendency to run wide and drop the ball badly often with some pretty bad results. I must say those comments are based on 2 games only.

[skeptic]

I think it depends on what we’re willing to spend...

The reality is he’s a step above a handful of contracted players on the list. One may consider biting the bullet n cutting someone lose to get him

[saynta]

Someone's trash can be treasure to someone else. This thread reminds me of scavengers at the tip.

[remboy]

I'm not sure Hartung is what we should be looking for. He's got some pace, which we need, but that's about it. Given where we are at we still need to be adding as much quality as we can, not just getting more average players for the sake of it.
My feeling, given we just cut O'Kearney, is that we'll be focusing on mids in the draft, especially with picks 7 & 8. I'd like to think that those two (plus Freeman) would get games ahead of Hartung. If that's the case we'd be better off with an 18 yo with potential upside, than someone who's been in the system 5 years and won't get any better.

[Jacks Back]

Someone's trash can be treasure to someone else. This thread reminds me of scavengers at the tip.

AFL Pickers

[Jacks Back]

You could be right.
Looked to finish the season ok.
Would be worth a pick 40 you would think.
So maybe there is something fishy.

Well we were after some sort of fish, maybe a small fish will have to do this year.

So we take one that someone else has thrown back in the water...

As long as he wasn't kissed first.

[magnifisaint]

Absolutely no to Hartung. He's a receiver and he can't get his own ball. Not strong enough. We need a couple of bulls in the middle because the game is becoming more contested.

[Raph Goat Clarke]

He is very quick but a s*** kick.
Averages 4 turnovers a game

[skeptic]

He is very quick but a s*** kick.
Averages 4 turnovers a game

Can't say I know Hartung that well.

If that's right, then pit a line through him for sure

[samoht]

He's obviously nowhere near as good as Seb Ross - but worth comparing stat-wise (seeing they are both midfielders).

Hartung vs Seb Ross -- this year's averages - effective disposals - (I'm not looking at total disposals).
midfielder vs midfielder

Hartung vs Ross
16.8 Effective Disposals Per Game 21.7
76% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 72.6%
2.0 Clangers Per Game 2.7

Ross tackles more and definitely works harder.

Worth picking up, I reckon - might develop further (he's only 22)?

At the same age - Hartung is probably ahead? - his outside game, anyway.

Same age -----
2017 Stats for Season 2015
Hartung vs Seb Ross
18 Games 10
11.7 Kicks Per Game 9.3
10.3 Handballs Per Game 8.9
22.1 Disposals Per Game 18.2
5.5 Marks Per Game 2.6
0.3 Goals Per Game 0.1
0.4 Behinds Per Game 0.3
1.6 Tackles Per Game 4.1
0 Hitouts Per Game 1.0
3.0 Inside 50s Per Game 2.6
0.3 Goal Assists Per Game 0.2
0.3 Frees For Per Game 0.8
0.4 Frees Against Per Game 0.6
4.3 Contested Possessions Per Game 6.7
18.2 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 11.7
16.8 Effective Disposals Per Game 13.0