Club explanation

[ss1986]

The club owes the supporter base an explanation as to the circumstances of Bains' departure.

If anyone knew; why was Bains allowed to oversee trade period?

Example: Stringer was available. Bains would reasonably not have traded for him on the assumption that he might be seen to have been conflicted upon telling us of his departure to the dogs.

That is a conflict of interest.

Either Bains should have stepped out of the trade period completely, OR St.Kilda should have removed him from the process.

We need answers, because this is not the way a well run club would/should operate.

[saynta]

It would have been a conflict of interest if Bains had handed over pick 8 to the dullbogs.

Thankfully he didn't.

[Enrico_Misso]

Presumably he only made the club aware of his intentions AFTER trade "week" concluded?

[ss1986]

Agree with both of you- but it needs explaining.

Poor from Bains, or poor from the club... but poor from someone and we should know who.

[takeaway]

So every club that loses a senior staff member to another club should submit an explanation on the circumstances of the departure? Yeah right.

[ss1986]

So every club that loses a senior staff member to another club should submit an explanation on the circumstances of the departure? Yeah right.

Any organisation worth its salt should disclose conflicts of interest to its stakeholders.

This was a SIGNIFICANT conflict of interest going into a period that was critical to shaping the future of the club.

About time we demand more as a supporter base.

[takeaway]

Well good luck

[CQ SAINT]

So every club that loses a senior staff member to another club should submit an explanation on the circumstances of the departure? Yeah right.

Any organisation worth its salt should disclose conflicts of interest to its stakeholders.

This was a SIGNIFICANT conflict of interest going into a period that was critical to shaping the future of the club.

About time we demand more as a supporter base.

Yes. Im sure it weighed heavily in Kelly's decision to stay at GWS. FFS! He has moved on, we will do the same. Good luck to him.

[Trev from the Bush]

Not "poor" at all. It is the end of the 2017 football season, not the start of 2018. Players are on leave, the trade period has ended and the draft is still a month away.

The days of club stalwarts filling highly paid positions at AFL clubs are long gone. We keep getting told AFL is an 'industry" but when an employee of the club leaves we tend to forget that and imagine they are the club's property - not their own person.

Ameet Bains has been a brilliant employee of StKilda and, as said elsewhere, has been probably the lead agent in rebuiding our player list. For his 6 years of top-level work, he has been rewarded with a CEO position. And, as good as he seems to have been at StKilda, he is not capable of winning a game come match day.

So, get over the conspiracy theories and let go. Plenty of other smart people out there, someone will fill his shoes.

[ss1986]

It's like our supporter base are a bunch of zombies. Just happy to accept mediocrity and being walked all over. You really think Collingwood or the other big boys would just accept the conflict and move on without at least asking questions?

The apathy of people here is a serious concern.

[takeaway]

It's like our supporter base are a bunch of zombies. Just happy to accept mediocrity and being walked all over. You really think Collingwood or the other big boys would just accept the conflict and move on without at least asking questions?

The apathy of people here is a serious concern.

What mediocrity, what conflict and who is being walked over? Just part of the comings and goings in the AFL and any employment industry.
It is at the end of the season when these type of promotions occur - better than halfway through. No concerns at all.

[ss1986]

It's like our supporter base are a bunch of zombies. Just happy to accept mediocrity and being walked all over. You really think Collingwood or the other big boys would just accept the conflict and move on without at least asking questions?

The apathy of people here is a serious concern.

What mediocrity, what conflict and who is being walked over? Just part of the comings and goings in the AFL and any employment industry.
It is at the end of the season when these type of promotions occur - better than halfway through. No concerns at all.

You don't see a conflict of interest, given one of the bigger names up for trade in the trade period was from the Bulldogs, and our minister of trade was the incoming CEO at that club?

What mediocrity? The mediocrity of our club that would rather be PC than win games of football and is happy to plod along for another 5 years in limbo with a putrid trade week(s).

We wont get Sloane or anyone of note next year. Mark my words. Especially now the "special one" has gone to the Dogs.

No desire, no heart, and completely and utterly rudderless.

If you dont believe it- talk to your mates and ask them about what they think of St.Kilda. We are no better than North Melbourne.

[Saintly66]

The banks and the justice system don’t explain their reasoning you seriously expect the St Kilda Football club to?

[Wayne42]

Ameet was probably reminded we have been "rebuilding" for 51 years and we still aren't a contender.

He may well have jumped to save face, his 6 years haven't solved the riddle, maybe they enhanced the joke.

Someone else's turn to right the ship.

[To the top]

From afar, this is interesting news - but, such is the industry and, indeed, any industry

However employers who become former employers do employ methods to ensure the integrity of their business model is protected including their business base because those leaving have knowledge they can take with them

It is a tricky area

One indicative question in this scenario, as I understand it, is that St Kilda expressed no interest in the lad leaving Brisbane (?) and who was taken by WB

No matter the protestations re integrity, questions such as this will maintain because there is a perception of conflict of interest

And perception does damage

Obviously the appointment to WB was courtesy of an approach by WB or an application by the former St Kilda FC employee - and you would assume that such a process was not just a phone call or meeting yesterday with the outcome being immediate acceptance

So, Bains should have advised the Board immediately the offer or application was a subject - regardless of any decision being made

And the Board then make a decision as to his employment, also placing enforceable and punitive embargo on Bains communicating with WB until after Lists for the 2018 season are registered - given his insider knowledge of St Kilda assessments including in regards any de-listed players

Then he can start his employment with his new employers

And the industry should have been so advised, immediately - along with St Kilda FC Members.

Just further evidence of the AFL and its lack of probity, being a "Boys Club" dominated by Presidents of certain Clubs and/or the powers behind the thrones at certain Clubs

And, unfortunately, it is not just the AFL but includes, for example, outcomes in regards energy where the outcome was set in stone the moment a lump of coal was bought into our parliament, supplied by the Minerals Council of Australia to the government

The stark difference in response to climate change between the Conservative governments in the UK and Australia, both, is being bought home to me currently.

Bains occupied a position at St Kilda FC

So, as the old saying goes, "Companies are perpetual, humans are temporary"

Except some Companies fail - exclusively because of people

The day awaits!!!

[parkeysainter]

Not "poor" at all. It is the end of the 2017 football season, not the start of 2018. Players are on leave, the trade period has ended and the draft is still a month away.

The days of club stalwarts filling highly paid positions at AFL clubs are long gone. We keep getting told AFL is an 'industry" but when an employee of the club leaves we tend to forget that and imagine they are the club's property - not their own person.

Ameet Bains has been a brilliant employee of StKilda and, as said elsewhere, has been probably the lead agent in rebuiding our player list. For his 6 years of top-level work, he has been rewarded with a CEO position. And, as good as he seems to have been at StKilda, he is not capable of winning a game come match day.

So, get over the conspiracy theories and let go. Plenty of other smart people out there, someone will fill his shoes.

Great post Trev. Stop making sense mate.

Good to luck Bains. He served us very well and thank you. He will be the CEO of the AFL one day.

[ss1986]

Thank you To the top. Someone "gets it"

[David-Lee]

Thank God he's gone who cares? 6 years of his input on how to stretch a club rebuild into a decade long venture.

Bulldogs are ready to have another crack and being a CEO would entice anyone I'm just glad he's gone. Now to wait out Richo's 2 more years of mediocrity and watch the genius Hamill develop our young players through the vfl.

[parkeysainter]

Thank God he's gone who cares? 6 years of his input on how to stretch a club rebuild into a decade long venture.

Bulldogs are ready to have another crack and being a CEO would entice anyone I'm just glad he's gone. Now to wait out Richo's 2 more years of mediocrity and watch the genius Hamill develop our young players through the vfl.

Geez, that is a really positive post.

[Con Gorozidis]

Not "poor" at all. It is the end of the 2017 football season, not the start of 2018. Players are on leave, the trade period has ended and the draft is still a month away.

The days of club stalwarts filling highly paid positions at AFL clubs are long gone. We keep getting told AFL is an 'industry" but when an employee of the club leaves we tend to forget that and imagine they are the club's property - not their own person.

Ameet Bains has been a brilliant employee of StKilda and, as said elsewhere, has been probably the lead agent in rebuiding our player list. For his 6 years of top-level work, he has been rewarded with a CEO position. And, as good as he seems to have been at StKilda, he is not capable of winning a game come match day.

So, get over the conspiracy theories and let go. Plenty of other smart people out there, someone will fill his shoes.

How has he been brilliant?
How is our list rebuild actually going?
6 years and zero finals appearance. No finals wins. Not even close.
Most recent finish 11th.
How is that 'brilliant'? How is it 'top level'?

Can you come to my work and do my performance appraisal please? I think you are pretty generous. Below average performance is called brilliant and top level.

[skeptic]

I don't think the ppl that are complaining about the length of the rebuild understand just how badly RL stuffed our list...

End of 2011

Dal Santo, Nick
18 Goddard, Brendon
11 Montagna, Leigh
25 Fisher, Sam
4 Jones, Clinton
1 Gram, Jason
3 Steven, Jack
19 Gilbert, Sam
22 Ray, Farren
13 Schneider, Adam
12 Riewoldt, Nick
30 Peake, Brett
20 Armitage, David
24 Dempster, Sean
5 McEvoy, Ben
44 Milne, Stephen
33 Gwilt, James
34 Polo, Dean
8 Clarke, Raphael
6 Dawson, Zac
27 Blake, Jason
23 Koschitzke, Justin
16 Gamble, Ryan
10 Baker, Steven
14 Geary, Jarryn
29 Lynch, Tom
32 McQualter, Andrew
7 Hayes, Lenny
39 Smith, Alistair
2 Siposs, Arryn
35 Cripps, Jamie
17 Winmar, Nick
37 Ledger, Tom
31 Simpkin, Tom
28 Stanley, Rhys
15 Gardiner, Michael
42 Archer, Daniel
38 Johnson, Will


So from that list, Lynch, Dawson and Cripps jump ship straight away
Gram is sacked as a stalker in 12 months time
Gardiner, McQualter, Peake, Baker, Blake, Raph... are all essentially finished at that point
Gwilt has done his knee and lost premium quality
Archer, Ledger, Polo, Gamble, Johnson, Andrioli, Simpkin, Winmar, Siposs, Smith, Polo... don't ever fire a shot
Armitage is okay'ish until about 2015 when he has a great season and is injured ++ since then
McEvoy is a ruck that gets monstered in the centre (like now) but is decent around the ground
Stanley is more or less playing the same level of footy then as he is now... not flattering
Schnieder plays roughly three to four good games a season until his last season where he shows that he was actually capable of having good seasons all along


That leaves us about 10 decent players... two of which, BJ and Dal leave/moved on
Dempster, Steven, Geary and Armo to a lesser degree are the only youngsters that make it whilst the old guard of Roo, Monty, Fisher, Gilbert, and Hayes gives us really good service with Ray and Jones past their best but hanging on

[lewdogs]

Not "poor" at all. It is the end of the 2017 football season, not the start of 2018. Players are on leave, the trade period has ended and the draft is still a month away.

The days of club stalwarts filling highly paid positions at AFL clubs are long gone. We keep getting told AFL is an 'industry" but when an employee of the club leaves we tend to forget that and imagine they are the club's property - not their own person.

Ameet Bains has been a brilliant employee of StKilda and, as said elsewhere, has been probably the lead agent in rebuiding our player list. For his 6 years of top-level work, he has been rewarded with a CEO position. And, as good as he seems to have been at StKilda, he is not capable of winning a game come match day.

So, get over the conspiracy theories and let go. Plenty of other smart people out there, someone will fill his shoes.

How has he been brilliant?
How is our list rebuild actually going?
6 years and zero finals appearance. No finals wins. Not even close.
Most recent finish 11th.
How is that 'brilliant'? How is it 'top level'?

Can you come to my work and do my performance appraisal please? I think you are pretty generous. Below average performance is called brilliant and top level.

The last two years we've been close to finals. We also have a very young list. We're certainly not miles off it. The hope is that the improvement will come rapidly, which we know can happen. Would not be surprised if we win a final next year. We are developing good depth in my opinion. As I said, the list is young.

[diddley]

Not "poor" at all. It is the end of the 2017 football season, not the start of 2018. Players are on leave, the trade period has ended and the draft is still a month away.

The days of club stalwarts filling highly paid positions at AFL clubs are long gone. We keep getting told AFL is an 'industry" but when an employee of the club leaves we tend to forget that and imagine they are the club's property - not their own person.

Ameet Bains has been a brilliant employee of StKilda and, as said elsewhere, has been probably the lead agent in rebuiding our player list. For his 6 years of top-level work, he has been rewarded with a CEO position. And, as good as he seems to have been at StKilda, he is not capable of winning a game come match day.

So, get over the conspiracy theories and let go. Plenty of other smart people out there, someone will fill his shoes.

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Love your work Trev.

[supersaints]

It's like our supporter base are a bunch of zombies. Just happy to accept mediocrity and being walked all over. You really think Collingwood or the other big boys would just accept the conflict and move on without at least asking questions?

The apathy of people here is a serious concern.

Do you think Collingwood would tell all their supporters if they asked questions? They gone though three CEO's in about two years didnt see Eddy explaining much ... If the club had any concerns they would have been discussed in house as in any professional organization
The strangest thing I find on this forum is the number of posters who think the club should should sack everyone be run from Saintsational.

How about given those in charge some credit? There a lot to look me about the Saints , they owe me nothing , in fact I consider it an honour supporting my club.

[CQ SAINT]

[quote="To the top"]From afar, this is interesting news - but, such is the industry and, indeed, any industry

However employers who become former employers do employ methods to ensure the integrity of their business model is protected including their business base because those leaving have knowledge they can take with them

It is a tricky area

One indicative question in this scenario, as I understand it, is that St Kilda expressed no interest in the lad leaving Brisbane (?) and who was taken by WB

No matter the protestations re integrity, questions such as this will maintain because there is a perception of conflict of interest

What is an indicative question? Is it indicative or just a question? Does it require a response or do you have one planned already? Can you explain what our offer for this mentally fragile No.2 pick nufty who Brisbane off loaded would have looked like and what it may have cost us in terms of our target of a key defender and elite midfield talent.