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parkeysainter wrote:AFL knocked him or her back anyway due to the physical differences making it unfair that he/she is allowed to play with females.
I'll lose it if this turns into a high court saga that drags on and on.
I'm afraid you've just done a "Nostradamus", ps. Of course, this is where it's going. He'll have the whole LGBTIQ+ community behind him. Watch the circus this now turns into.
Drake, the ABC, SBS, The Age and The Guardian are all over it. This will be on all the talk shows also. I just can't wait for those sanctimonious flogsocks Waled Aly and Carrie Bickmore to become involved.
Politically correct and legal world...yes he is a she but its still the body of a grown man playing up against the bodies of grown females. Its a physically unfair match and I back the AFL in its call.
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The rest of Australia can wander mask-free, socialise, eat out, no curfews, no zoning, no police rings of steel, no illogical inconsistent rules.
They can even WATCH LIVE FOOTY!
bergsone wrote:imo the world is f***ed,let me get this right you can get shots to lower your testrone to a certain limit,you can play with the girls,be a champ,get paid and have physical advantage over the others.Poor girl 16/17 Loves the game gets to play ,fronts up playing against someone like a Mumford/Plugger/size player,Thats not an even comp
Not sure why you're making a fuss, she was ruled ineligible for the AFLW draft.
bergsone wrote:imo the world is f***ed,let me get this right you can get shots to lower your testrone to a certain limit,you can play with the girls,be a champ,get paid and have physical advantage over the others.Poor girl 16/17 Loves the game gets to play ,fronts up playing against someone like a Mumford/Plugger/size player,Thats not an even comp
Not sure why you're making a fuss, she was ruled ineligible for the AFLW draft.
I wouldnt describe myself as a bigot, or sexist or homophobic or what ever other anti label my view puts me under.
I do believe this was the right call.
Why cant they have a mixed league? If you want to go in just do it.
The Tiger and the Lion may be more powerful, but the Wolf does not perform in the circus.
jimmy_slats wrote:I highly doubt they decided to turn transgender just so they could play AFL some people on here are pretty archaic acting like it’s such an easy decision to do what they have done.
No doubt its a huge decision for people that choose to reassign their gender.
I accept that Ms Mouncey didn't have the reassignment to play women's sport. However, doesn't mean that it won't happen, in fact it'd be naive to think that it will never happen.
What if hypothetically Dustin Martin had the reassignment and joined the AFWL? Then went as hard at it as he does in the AFL? What about Lenny Hayes or Glen Archer? You don't think they'd seriously hurt their opponents?
Fact: Men are generally bigger than women and have far more upper body strength. That's biology & evolution, not a patriarchal conspiracy.
Gender dysphoria is a form of mental illness that requires intensive therapy and support to overcome. He needs our help and support, not a reinforcement of his illness.
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Linton Lodger wrote:Fact: Men are generally bigger than women and have far more upper body strength. That's biology & evolution, not a patriarchal conspiracy.
Its plain dangerous and its not sporting.
Also men have superior spatial awareness that is useful in a high speed contact sport.
Their tests were all about size, strength, agility and testosterone levels which I think is misguided. They should ask whether Ms Mouncey was born with the genetic equipment (including Y chromosome) to reproduce as a male. In which case she should be classified as such for the purposes of football.
The AFL's decision reads that it was not based on her being transgender but rather her accompanying size and strength.
This would seem to infer that if it were a 155cm/51kg transgender, they would be allowed to play.
As has been noted, Liz Cambage is both taller, heavier and stronger, but would welcomed.
The AFL leaves a lot to be desired.
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The Fireman wrote:I have just realized I am an archaic bigot.
You may end up in jail for that in the future... I'm predicting that by 2024 you will be able to marry a goat and your kid ( pun intended) will be eligible to play AFL....
And the president said " I did not have sex with that woman"
And our former president said " Football is like golf"
The Fireman wrote:I have just realized I am an archaic bigot.
No, you've just realized you're the normal one and the rest of the world has gone mad. It's a man, people! He's even still got the meat and two veg!
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Linton Lodger wrote:Fact: Men are generally bigger than women and have far more upper body strength. That's biology & evolution, not a patriarchal conspiracy.
Its plain dangerous and its not sporting.
Also men have superior spatial awareness that is useful in a high speed contact sport.
Their tests were all about size, strength, agility and testosterone levels which I think is misguided. They should ask whether Ms Mouncey was born with the genetic equipment (including Y chromosome) to reproduce as a male. In which case she should be classified as such for the purposes of football.
And better hand eye co-ordination because of greater development in the occipital lobe (visual cortex) of the brain. A consequence of thousands of generations of hunting. Women are better at intuitive tasks, such as reading emotion, the consequence of thousands of generations of being mothers and needing to accurately read emotion. There are clear physical differences between male and female, unless you're an idiot Marxist like Roz Ward, who wants us to believe there are none, despite the overwhelming physical evidence.
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"I told you once."
"No, you didn't."
"Yes, I did."
"Listen, an argument isn't just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says, it's a series of statements designed to support a particular conclusion."
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"Oh, I've had enough of this."
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Linton Lodger wrote:Fact: Men are generally bigger than women and have far more upper body strength. That's biology & evolution, not a patriarchal conspiracy.
Its plain dangerous and its not sporting.
Also men have superior spatial awareness that is useful in a high speed contact sport.
Their tests were all about size, strength, agility and testosterone levels which I think is misguided. They should ask whether Ms Mouncey was born with the genetic equipment (including Y chromosome) to reproduce as a male. In which case she should be classified as such for the purposes of football.
And better hand eye co-ordination because of greater development in the occipital lobe (visual cortex) of the brain. A consequence of thousands of generations of hunting. Women are better at intuitive tasks, such as reading emotion, the consequence of thousands of generations of being mothers and needing to accurately read emotion. There are clear physical differences between male and female, unless you're an idiot Marxist like Roz Ward, who wants us to believe there are none, despite the overwhelming physical evidence.
"Is this the right room for an argument?"
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"No, you didn't."
"Yes, I did."
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jimmy_slats wrote:I highly doubt they decided to turn transgender just so they could play AFL some people on here are pretty archaic acting like it’s such an easy decision to do what they have done.
+1
Archaic and bigotry at the same time. Really open minded, aren't they!
Don't expect a bunch of Jurassic dudes on a football forum to have any understanding of the huge and infinitely unique world outside of a bunch of people kicking a ball through sticks within an oval.
jimmy_slats wrote:I highly doubt they decided to turn transgender just so they could play AFL some people on here are pretty archaic acting like it’s such an easy decision to do what they have done.
+1
Archaic and bigotry at the same time. Really open minded, aren't they!
Don't expect a bunch of Jurassic dudes on a football forum to have any understanding of the huge and infinitely unique world outside of a bunch of people kicking a ball through sticks within an oval.
Indeed. I may have overestimated some of the old gronks on here. The irony is they support a club who is an advocate for marriage equality and is against discrimination of LGBTQ people.
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
bergsone wrote:imo the world is f***ed,let me get this right you can get shots to lower your testrone to a certain limit,you can play with the girls,be a champ,get paid and have physical advantage over the others.Poor girl 16/17 Loves the game gets to play ,fronts up playing against someone like a Mumford/Plugger/size player,Thats not an even comp
Not sure why you're making a fuss, she was ruled ineligible for the AFLW draft.
Didnt realise was making a fuss,just my opinion on a subject that was on site,you are allowed to have an opinion arent you ?
The point I was making was that I'm really not fussed about a transgender person playing football. But obviously people in here would beg to differ. Do you feel threatened by transgender people? Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but don't get your knickers in a twist when someone calls you out for being prejudice.
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
bergsone wrote:imo the world is f***ed,let me get this right you can get shots to lower your testrone to a certain limit,you can play with the girls,be a champ,get paid and have physical advantage over the others.Poor girl 16/17 Loves the game gets to play ,fronts up playing against someone like a Mumford/Plugger/size player,Thats not an even comp
Not sure why you're making a fuss, she was ruled ineligible for the AFLW draft.
Didnt realise was making a fuss,just my opinion on a subject that was on site,you are allowed to have an opinion arent you ?
The point I was making was that I'm really not fussed about a transgender person playing football. But obviously people in here would beg to differ. Do you feel threatened by tran
sgender people? Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but don't get your knickers in a twist when someone calls you out for being prejudice
Why do i get the feeling iam being baited for MY opinion,keyboard warriors,means not face to face softcocks....happy now
bergsone wrote:imo the world is f***ed,let me get this right you can get shots to lower your testrone to a certain limit,you can play with the girls,be a champ,get paid and have physical advantage over the others.Poor girl 16/17 Loves the game gets to play ,fronts up playing against someone like a Mumford/Plugger/size player,Thats not an even comp
Not sure why you're making a fuss, she was ruled ineligible for the AFLW draft.
Didnt realise was making a fuss,just my opinion on a subject that was on site,you are allowed to have an opinion arent you ?
The point I was making was that I'm really not fussed about a transgender person playing football. But obviously people in here would beg to differ. Do you feel threatened by transgender people? Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but don't get your knickers in a twist when someone calls you out for being prejudice.
I'm not against trans people, nor do I feel threatened by them. The right decision was made. He's a dude. We segregate male and female sports for a good reason. This has nothing to do with transphobia. While he's got the tackle in place he's just a man in drag playing against women. Not fair on any level, no matter how low his levels of testosterone are, or how outraged our moral superiors are.
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bergsone wrote:imo the world is f***ed,let me get this right you can get shots to lower your testrone to a certain limit,you can play with the girls,be a champ,get paid and have physical advantage over the others.Poor girl 16/17 Loves the game gets to play ,fronts up playing against someone like a Mumford/Plugger/size player,Thats not an even comp
Not sure why you're making a fuss, she was ruled ineligible for the AFLW draft.
Didnt realise was making a fuss,just my opinion on a subject that was on site,you are allowed to have an opinion arent you ?
The point I was making was that I'm really not fussed about a transgender person playing football. But obviously people in here would beg to differ. Do you feel threatened by transgender people? Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but don't get your knickers in a twist when someone calls you out for being prejudice.
I'm not against trans people, nor do I feel threatened by them. The right decision was made. He's a dude. We segregate male and female sports for a good reason. This has nothing to do with transphobia. While he's got the tackle in place he's just a man in drag playing against women. Not fair on any level, no matter how low his levels of testosterone are, or how outraged our moral superiors are.
I'm fine, can't speak for WW. I'll leave you to your fantasies. Reported for baiting?
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Suss, no amount of moralizing and fart cupping, will change the fact he's a man playing against women. Not fair. Well, perhaps not in your world.
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