Jaxons come on down (2017/18 thread)

[Drake Huggins]

Back to trade rumours folks...

Barrett saying Brown bro Mitch might be headed to Saints.

Oh god, please no! We are already two runners down with Billy and Browny. We don't need to go down another one!

[SMS]

Good back up option. Will cost peanuts. Id say if we fail to get talia or aistin then mitch brown it is. And hea only a backup if nathan brown goes down. Everyone relax its a good move IF we cant get talia/Austin

[Con Gorozidis]

Back to trade rumours folks...

Barrett saying Brown bro Mitch might be headed to Saints.

Oh god, please no! We are already two runners down with Billy and Browny. We don't need to go down another one!

Barrett is trolling us.
No way would this be considered.

[saintsRrising]

Bains didn't do anything last year.
Hawks were desperate for JOM and needed out pick 10 to get him.
Bains just had to sit there.
If the Hawks finished top 4 then it wouldn't have been a good deal.

1/ Not that I am Bains biggest fan by any means, but this was a very good deal.

2/ Bains approached the Hawks ....so it was not just him "sitting there".

2/ It would still a good deal if the Hawks had finished higher. Pick 10 gained us 2 second rounders and a first rounder this year that was always going to be within the top 14. The Pick 68 we traded had no value for us. And looking what other clubs too from about pick 60 on, no value to anyone.


So IMO that trade was a win for Bains. The only negative is that having had a clear win like this in 2017, that he may be sitting back trying to pounce again with a value pick or player trade, rather than just dealing to get a player that we really need.

[saynta]

All this criticism of Bains I find quite disgusting and completely baseless.

The guy is part of the management of the club that has turned the club from a basket case to one that will make the finals next year.

I don't give a toss what some posters think, I am a fan . 100%

[parkeysainter]

Bains is a gun in his role. End of story and its widely recognised in AFL circles.

It has been go over before as to why so no need to flog a dead horse.

He is an A grade asset for the club.

[degruch]

Bains is a gun in his role. End of story and its widely recognised in AFL circles.

It has been go over before as to why so no need to flog a dead horse.

If you're going to flog a dead horse, this is the thread for it.

[saynta]

Bains is a gun in his role. End of story and its widely recognised in AFL circles.

It has been go over before as to why so no need to flog a dead horse.

He is an A grade asset for the club.

Yep correct.

[degruch]

Well, I for one will be making no further comments in respect of a certain ITK...

Ahmeet Bains? Pffft...what would that guy know.

[saynta]

Well, I for one will be making no further comments in respect of a certain ITK...

Ahmeet Bains? Pffft...what would that guy know.

[Brunswicksainter]

Back to trade rumours folks...

Barrett saying Brown bro Mitch might be headed to Saints.

Swear we have been linked to Mitch Brown in every trade period for the last 6 years

[SMS]

Bains did nothing????? What is this crap? Spoken by morons who have no idea about negotiation.
Bains hasnt made trades because theres been no VALUE!!! Bains gets value. Not his fault if heres NO VALUE. Understand that most of the time better to say no.
7,8, Brown/Talia or Austin. Deal. Its good. Then next year sloane is FA FFS. And we still havemt spent money.

Bonar and Brayshaw for me please.

[Con Gorozidis]

Bains is a gun in his role. End of story and its widely recognised in AFL circles.

It has been go over before as to why so no need to flog a dead horse.

He is an A grade asset for the club.

Postby parkeysainter » Fri 13 Oct 2017 7:51pm

Whisper is we're a massive chance to land him still. Just passing it on.

You have zero credibility. You are just a pollyanna poster. Kim Jong Il. 52 for 18 at Royal Melbourne. Hole in One.

[Con Gorozidis]

Bains is a gun in his role. End of story and its widely recognised in AFL circles.

It has been go over before as to why so no need to flog a dead horse.

He is an A grade asset for the club.

Re: Barrett claiming Saints have tabled a deal for Tomlinson
Postby parkeysainter » Fri 13 Oct 2017 7:51pm

Whisper is we're a massive chance to land him still. Just passing it on.

You have zero credibility. You are just a pollyanna poster. You post false club propaganda and claim to be ITK by using phrases such as 'whisper is...' and 'just passing it on;...'

Kim Jong Il. 52 for 18 at Royal Melbourne. Hole in One.

Bains is a self-promoter. Terms like 'widely recognised' and 'AFL circles' mean nothing. They are PR weasel words as Don Watson would say.
We havent even made the 8 since 2011.
People need to get a grip.

[suss]

Bains is a gun in his role. End of story and its widely recognised in AFL circles.

It has been go over before as to why so no need to flog a dead horse.

He is an A grade asset for the club.

Re: Barrett claiming Saints have tabled a deal for Tomlinson
Postby parkeysainter » Fri 13 Oct 2017 7:51pm

Whisper is we're a massive chance to land him still. Just passing it on.

You have zero credibility. You are just a pollyanna poster. You post false club propaganda and claim to be ITK by using phrases such as 'whisper is...' and 'just passing it on;...'

Kim Jong Il. 52 for 18 at Royal Melbourne. Hole in One.

Bains is a self-promoter. Terms like 'widely recognised' and 'AFL circles' mean nothing. They are PR weasel words as Don Watson would say.
We havent even made the 8 since 2011.
People need to get a grip.

You need your medication.

Potting posters again because you're down in the dumps about your football team and life. Get over it.

[parkeysainter]

Bains is a gun in his role. End of story and its widely recognised in AFL circles.

It has been go over before as to why so no need to flog a dead horse.

He is an A grade asset for the club.

Re: Barrett claiming Saints have tabled a deal for Tomlinson
Postby parkeysainter » Fri 13 Oct 2017 7:51pm

Whisper is we're a massive chance to land him still. Just passing it on.

You have zero credibility. You are just a pollyanna poster. You post false club propaganda and claim to be ITK by using phrases such as 'whisper is...' and 'just passing it on;...'

Kim Jong Il. 52 for 18 at Royal Melbourne. Hole in One.

Bains is a self-promoter. Terms like 'widely recognised' and 'AFL circles' mean nothing. They are PR weasel words as Don Watson would say.
We havent even made the 8 since 2011.
People need to get a grip.

Your post makes no sense at all Con G. I don't claim to be anything chap.

Its all good, I'm glad you know more than all the experts. Why do you even bother...give up on the Saints and Ameet Bains if you hate them that much. Lol.

[parkeysainter]

Bains is a gun in his role. End of story and its widely recognised in AFL circles.

It has been go over before as to why so no need to flog a dead horse.

He is an A grade asset for the club.

Re: Barrett claiming Saints have tabled a deal for Tomlinson
Postby parkeysainter » Fri 13 Oct 2017 7:51pm

Whisper is we're a massive chance to land him still. Just passing it on.

You have zero credibility. You are just a pollyanna poster. You post false club propaganda and claim to be ITK by using phrases such as 'whisper is...' and 'just passing it on;...'

Kim Jong Il. 52 for 18 at Royal Melbourne. Hole in One.

Bains is a self-promoter. Terms like 'widely recognised' and 'AFL circles' mean nothing. They are PR weasel words as Don Watson would say.
We havent even made the 8 since 2011.
People need to get a grip.

You need your medication.

Potting posters again because you're down in the dumps about your football team and life. Get over it.

Con just hates the truth that Ameet Bains is A grade material but I have no idea why. Everyone in the AFL recognises he is a list management and trade master.

[evertonfc]

All this criticism of Bains I find quite disgusting and completely baseless.

The guy is part of the management of the club that has turned the club from a basket case to one that will make the finals next year.

It's really sad, actually.

Look, the "hype" around Baines is way over the top. It's inaccurate to claim he's a guru/master. He's a trained lawyer/banker, who happened to be in the legal team at Toyota (hence AFL exposure) after he made it into Minter Ellison.

But you know what? Good on him. He's a really nice guy.

He's landed his dream job, getting paid huge money to do it, and rather than scouring the fine print over corporate trade deals looking for mistakes, St KIlda flies him around the country attending draft camps, looking at new players and choosing which players should be paid under the salary cap.

He also gets to put his head into the media, which raises his profile. He's a lock to go for bigger things in the AFL, and I think he would make an excellent head of Multicultural Affairs.

Is he that good at what he does for us? Difficult to say. Take a look at the optics and judge for yourself.

[Con Gorozidis]

'Everyone in the AFL' must marvel at our finishes of 18th, 16th, 9th and 11th under Bains. How they must look on in awe at our magnificence.
They are all so envious and aghast of the masterful mgt display!
They must all wonder what our secret is!

When we were we a 'basket case'? We played finals in 2011. We have been dog s*** ever since. Sure we have improved but the AFL has an equalisation policy and a draft to assist sides in the bottom 5.

Read about it here:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-04/e ... -explained

Bains and Co have done nothing more than be bog average. Some of the contract decisions have been complete howlers. Claiming he is a 'master' is just embarrassing. Especially when you consider the Swans and Cats have played finals almost 10 years in a row.
We havent played finals in the last 6 seasons in a row.
Not sure what people are crowing about.

[coopergrech]

Yes he did about Haynes! 'Haynes is coming' those were his exact words!

Sam Collins the Saints are into, thats what I have been told.

It's negative people like you Saynta that spoil forums like these for the rest of us! If this is how you treat your fellow Saint then I bet you're the type of 'supporter' who would prefer to bag players than cheer them on. I happen to enjoy when Jaxons or anyone else for that matter come up with information that may or may not be eventually accurate. It certainly has helped this uneventful 'trade period' move along in my eyes.

As I said before, whatever floats your boat. And no I don't prefer to bag players.

Look this is a public forum and people are entitled to express their views.

I can understand the angst though, as I used to get extremely upset at the s*** directed to tony74 , a poster who really had inside information that he was willing to share.

Nearly spat out my coffee on that one... YOU DON'T BAG PLAYERS!!!!

You, the man who's heart sank because they gave Tom Lee a go once. Who wrote off Delaney after his first game and bagged out every performance for the rest of his career including when his finished 4th in the B&F... Little bit of insight Saynta... you're one of the nastier supporters on this forum I've come across when it comes to talking about players

As for Jaxons...
McEvoy trade
Carlisle (picks as suggested)
And there was one other that escapes my mind that he broke before then news came out.

On Haynes, Jax never said he was coming... just that he was interested and as he has repeatedly posted all along... We will likely take pick 7&8 to the draft. He said that at the start. What fake news did you want him to report.

[SuperDuper]

Yes he did about Haynes! 'Haynes is coming' those were his exact words!

Sam Collins the Saints are into, thats what I have been told.

It's negative people like you Saynta that spoil forums like these for the rest of us! If this is how you treat your fellow Saint then I bet you're the type of 'supporter' who would prefer to bag players than cheer them on. I happen to enjoy when Jaxons or anyone else for that matter come up with information that may or may not be eventually accurate. It certainly has helped this uneventful 'trade period' move along in my eyes.

As I said before, whatever floats your boat. And no I don't prefer to bag players.

Look this is a public forum and people are entitled to express their views.

I can understand the angst though, as I used to get extremely upset at the s*** directed to tony74 , a poster who really had inside information that he was willing to share.

Nearly spat out my coffee on that one... YOU DON'T BAG PLAYERS!!!!

You, the man who's heart sank because they gave Tom Lee a go once. Who wrote off Delaney after his first game and bagged out every performance for the rest of his career including when his finished 4th in the B&F... Little bit of insight Saynta... you're one of the nastier supporters on this forum I've come across when it comes to talking about players

As for Jaxons...
McEvoy trade
Carlisle (picks as suggested)
And there was one other that escapes my mind that he broke before then news came out.

On Haynes, Jax never said he was coming... just that he was interested and as he has repeatedly posted all along... We will likely take pick 7&8 to the draft. He said that at the start. What fake news did you want him to report.

there is a thread for debating Jaxons credentials. Please use it. This thread is for other matters.

[parkeysainter]

In Bains We Trust.

[saint-stu]

Yes he did about Haynes! 'Haynes is coming' those were his exact words!

Sam Collins the Saints are into, thats what I have been told.

It's negative people like you Saynta that spoil forums like these for the rest of us! If this is how you treat your fellow Saint then I bet you're the type of 'supporter' who would prefer to bag players than cheer them on. I happen to enjoy when Jaxons or anyone else for that matter come up with information that may or may not be eventually accurate. It certainly has helped this uneventful 'trade period' move along in my eyes.

As I said before, whatever floats your boat. And no I don't prefer to bag players.

Look this is a public forum and people are entitled to express their views.

I can understand the angst though, as I used to get extremely upset at the s*** directed to tony74 , a poster who really had inside information that he was willing to share.

Nearly spat out my coffee on that one... YOU DON'T BAG PLAYERS!!!!

You, the man who's heart sank because they gave Tom Lee a go once. Who wrote off Delaney after his first game and bagged out every performance for the rest of his career including when his finished 4th in the B&F... Little bit of insight Saynta... you're one of the nastier supporters on this forum I've come across when it comes to talking about players

As for Jaxons...
McEvoy trade
Carlisle (picks as suggested)
And there was one other that escapes my mind that he broke before then news came out.

On Haynes, Jax never said he was coming... just that he was interested and as he has repeatedly posted all along... We will likely take pick 7&8 to the draft. He said that at the start. What fake news did you want him to report.

No, he did not. His exact words were "Haynes likely to be with us next year" and "Haynes wants to come to us". Doesn't mean it will happen.

Ameet Bains said the other day that Tomlinson wants to come home but GWS aren't interested in trading. Players may want something but it doesn't always work out.

[BackFromUSA]

Yes he did about Haynes! 'Haynes is coming' those were his exact words!

Sam Collins the Saints are into, thats what I have been told.

It's negative people like you Saynta that spoil forums like these for the rest of us! If this is how you treat your fellow Saint then I bet you're the type of 'supporter' who would prefer to bag players than cheer them on. I happen to enjoy when Jaxons or anyone else for that matter come up with information that may or may not be eventually accurate. It certainly has helped this uneventful 'trade period' move along in my eyes.

As I said before, whatever floats your boat. And no I don't prefer to bag players.

Look this is a public forum and people are entitled to express their views.

I can understand the angst though, as I used to get extremely upset at the s*** directed to tony74 , a poster who really had inside information that he was willing to share.

Nearly spat out my coffee on that one... YOU DON'T BAG PLAYERS!!!!

You, the man who's heart sank because they gave Tom Lee a go once. Who wrote off Delaney after his first game and bagged out every performance for the rest of his career including when his finished 4th in the B&F... Little bit of insight Saynta... you're one of the nastier supporters on this forum I've come across when it comes to talking about players

As for Jaxons...
McEvoy trade
Carlisle (picks as suggested)
And there was one other that escapes my mind that he broke before then news came out.

On Haynes, Jax never said he was coming... just that he was interested and as he has repeatedly posted all along... We will likely take pick 7&8 to the draft. He said that at the start. What fake news did you want him to report.

Coopergrench - you are 100% misquoting what Jaxons wrote. Your issue is not fairly based on what he has written - rather what YOU read into it. What he wrote is different to what you understood.

[Waltzing St Kilda]

'Everyone in the AFL' must marvel at our finishes of 18th, 16th, 9th and 11th under Bains. How they must look on in awe at our magnificence.
They are all so envious and aghast of the masterful mgt display!
They must all wonder what our secret is!

When we were we a 'basket case'? We played finals in 2011. We have been dog s*** ever since. Sure we have improved but the AFL has an equalisation policy and a draft to assist sides in the bottom 5.

Read about it here:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-04/e ... -explained

Bains and Co have done nothing more than be bog average. Some of the contract decisions have been complete howlers. Claiming he is a 'master' is just embarrassing. Especially when you consider the Swans and Cats have played finals almost 10 years in a row.
We havent played finals in the last 6 seasons in a row.
Not sure what people are crowing about.

Have to agree with Con.

The jury is still out on Ameet Bains and the entire recruiting squad. But it's been out for an awful long time.

If we vault into the finals in 2018 and thereafter snag a flag (or two) the verdict will be positive.

If we sink to the bottom of the ladder next year (as seems very possible) then we'll need to rebuild all over again and the Bains years will have been a complete waste of time.