Who reviews the coaches' performance?

[carn_sainter]

Just wondering if anybody knows - who reviews the coaches' performance? (aka Who polices the police?)

Does anyone know if we have some external review process on the coaches' performance? Do they get constructive criticism and feedback from people outside of the club? (besides Saintsational).

Who does their exit interview?

I hope there is something set-up that assesses their performance, both in terms of how they achieved their goals and also in terms of, for lack of a better word, their technique.

[parkeysainter]

Tipping the board, pres and CEO reports and reviews on Richo directly as a whole. Also tipping they would get an outside source to do same at the end of each season. Tipping the leadership group gets involved too somehow and reports on every coach.

For the assistants its very possible Richo reports on them for the CEO, pres and board and does his own internal review. Surely some kind of specialist company helps out on all this though. It kind of reminds of the comedy movie "Officespace."

Richo seems very loyal to his assistants. Not a bad thing but like anything at an AFL club you need to turn over staff to stop being predictable and to improve. Those not directly involved in the on field stuff e.g. the board would hear and see things and get inklings on the coaches performance, ability, attitude, etc. during a season.

[Moods]

Who reviews the coaches performance? We do on Saintsational of course. The CEO downloads our posts and they discuss the merits of our various posts. I think that's how some on here imagine it works anyway.

[David-Lee]

Newnes, and so far he's pretty positive about what he's seen and thinks its a thumbs up for season 2017 for Richo

[GregPackhamsHeadband]

Have no fear. The mediocracy rules at the saints. He's doing a great job. The only thing more important than success is STABILITY. It's our new mantra. Keep the status quo at all costs. It's pleasing.

[St Chris]

Jamie Cox, as the General Manager of the footy department, would be in charge of "coaching" as a whole. Not necessarily Richo's boss, but would have a lot of say on the coaching group as an outsider. He is closer to the action so he'd have a better idea of the coaches performance than Ameet or Matt Finnis.

[thejiggingsaint]

Have no fear. The mediocracy rules at the saints. He's doing a great job. The only thing more important than success is STABILITY. It's our new mantra. Keep the status quo at all costs. It's pleasing.

Be as facetious as you like champ, but the "other tried and trued" method hasn't done us a hell of a lot of good over the journey

[Shaggy]

Have no fear. The mediocracy rules at the saints. He's doing a great job. The only thing more important than success is STABILITY. It's our new mantra. Keep the status quo at all costs. It's pleasing.

Be as facetious as you like champ, but the "other tried and trued" method hasn't done us a hell of a lot of good over the journey

Good to see u back Jiggingsaint. Apparently u upset some demons on bigfooty lol. Best year of individual improvement since 2009 imo.

[MickThomas]

Have no fear. The mediocracy rules at the saints. He's doing a great job. The only thing more important than success is STABILITY. It's our new mantra. Keep the status quo at all costs. It's pleasing.

It's wonderful, isn't it, how Matt Finnis has promised that Richo is the coach to get us a flag.
Well. Is Finnis the Emperor, or should the board actually follow due process that the other 17 clubs do,
and conduct an objective and transparent review of the entire football department to see what improvements are needed, how to achieve those targets.

No, the head guy says "Richo's the man" as in that lawyer in "The Castle" saying "it's the VIBE"

Yeah

[GregPackhamsHeadband]

Have no fear. The mediocracy rules at the saints. He's doing a great job. The only thing more important than success is STABILITY. It's our new mantra. Keep the status quo at all costs. It's pleasing.

Be as facetious as you like champ, but the "other tried and trued" method hasn't done us a hell of a lot of good over the journey

And the current regime has seen us soar up to 11th in four years. We're in the second phase of a rebuild, with another rebuild coming as our attempts to land a big fish are vanishing before our eyes. Port, Richmond, Melbourne and Essendon have gone past us with the WB jagging a flag. I think a lot of saints fans are smelling the bulls*** the club is peddling. Again. There are real areas of concern, which some have described as "progress" and that we have to be patient. In other words, we don't really know what's going to happen. AR's "pleasing" is becoming the new "Juggernaut".

We've improved, have we? We went down two spots, had our direct opponents for a spot in the eight go past us, terrible percentage, the third worst average losing margin in the competition, and we were thrashed in eight games against potential finals opponents. We are nowhere near the best teams. We beat only two teams above us on the ladder. We've lost our greatest player and another great leader in Joey. We are the second worst kicks for goal in the competition. Apart from all that, everything is going swimmingly! Nothing but blue skies ahead!

[freely]

Lordy lordy - the name's changed but the whining remains the same. Yes "pleasing", yes "positive". That's the way he talks - get over it, already. And how about you try and think of something pleasing and positive to say yourself. Nobody here is complacent - nor at the club. We all want to do better. We all want to kick straighter. We all want to land a big fish. But for crying out loud, doesn't the bile in your stomach tell you it's time to get off this misery-trip?

[GregPackhamsHeadband]

Lordy lordy - the name's changed but the whining remains the same. Yes "pleasing", yes "positive". That's the way he talks - get over it, already. And how about you try and think of something pleasing and positive to say yourself. Nobody here is complacent - nor at the club. We all want to do better. We all want to kick straighter. We all want to land a big fish. But for crying out loud, doesn't the bile in your stomach tell you it's time to get off this misery-trip?

Ignore reality. That's not bile in my stomach. More like fluff in your brain.

[MickThomas]

Lordy lordy - the name's changed but the whining remains the same. Yes "pleasing", yes "positive". That's the way he talks - get over it, already. And how about you try and think of something pleasing and positive to say yourself. Nobody here is complacent - nor at the club. We all want to do better. We all want to kick straighter. We all want to land a big fish. But for crying out loud, doesn't the bile in your stomach tell you it's time to get off this misery-trip?

If the sky is clouded over with no relief in sight, simply pretending it's clear and blue doesn't make it so.
That's known as "denial"

[freely]

Lordy lordy - the name's changed but the whining remains the same. Yes "pleasing", yes "positive". That's the way he talks - get over it, already. And how about you try and think of something pleasing and positive to say yourself. Nobody here is complacent - nor at the club. We all want to do better. We all want to kick straighter. We all want to land a big fish. But for crying out loud, doesn't the bile in your stomach tell you it's time to get off this misery-trip?

If the sky is clouded over with no relief in sight, simply pretending it's clear and blue doesn't make it so.
That's known as "denial"

You're absolutely right - but endlessly bagging the coach doesn't make him a better coach (if only!) - That's known as magical thinking!

[GregPackhamsHeadband]

Lordy lordy - the name's changed but the whining remains the same. Yes "pleasing", yes "positive". That's the way he talks - get over it, already. And how about you try and think of something pleasing and positive to say yourself. Nobody here is complacent - nor at the club. We all want to do better. We all want to kick straighter. We all want to land a big fish. But for crying out loud, doesn't the bile in your stomach tell you it's time to get off this misery-trip?

If the sky is clouded over with no relief in sight, simply pretending it's clear and blue doesn't make it so.
That's known as "denial"

You're absolutely right - but endlessly bagging the coach doesn't make him a better coach (if only!) - That's known as magical thinking!

I don't know about constant whinging. I've been supportive of AR until late this season past, when he's clearly demonstrated he hasn't got the answers. The last seven weeks were a disaster. It showed he hasn't got the goods when the whips are cracking. I say plenty of positive things, you just want to focus on what you consider negative. I'm concerned they're going to extend him in the face of evidence he's not up to it. How about waiting until early or mid next year to see if he can step up to the challenge? I can't see any other clubs lining up to pinch him. What's wrong with realistic criticism? His coaching is as imaginative and innovative as his pressers. Not pleasing at all. Very worrying.

[Saintly Passion]

Have no fear. The mediocracy rules at the saints. He's doing a great job. The only thing more important than success is STABILITY. It's our new mantra. Keep the status quo at all costs. It's pleasing.

Be as facetious as you like champ, but the "other tried and trued" method hasn't done us a hell of a lot of good over the journey

And the current regime has seen us soar up to 11th in four years. We're in the second phase of a rebuild, with another rebuild coming as our attempts to land a big fish are vanishing before our eyes. Port, Richmond, Melbourne and Essendon have gone past us with the WB jagging a flag. I think a lot of saints fans are smelling the bulls*** the club is peddling. Again. There are real areas of concern, which some have described as "progress" and that we have to be patient. In other words, we don't really know what's going to happen. AR's "pleasing" is becoming the new "Juggernaut".

We've improved, have we? We went down two spots, had our direct opponents for a spot in the eight go past us, terrible percentage, the third worst average losing margin in the competition, and we were thrashed in eight games against potential finals opponents. We are nowhere near the best teams. We beat only two teams above us on the ladder. We've lost our greatest player and another great leader in Joey. We are the second worst kicks for goal in the competition. Apart from all that, everything is going swimmingly! Nothing but blue skies ahead!

Your negativity is becoming tedious. We are all disappointed with the year clearly, but to finish around the same mark with a much harder draw but do it off the back of the younger players is a step forward. As for next year, finals becomes a must so no denying that measure.

Re other clubs, Melbourne haven't played finals for 11 years and had 7 of those in the bottom 5. Essendon after a year of suspended players copped the softest draw and the number 1 pick. Port were on a similar trajectory and missed a GF by a kick in 2014 then didn't play finals next 2 years. Richmond are top 4 after some recent finals but years of building.

Every one us has the right to voice our opinion, but it would be great if some did after thinking a bit more

[GregPackhamsHeadband]

Yourself included. What fantastical nonsense.

[Teflon]

Have no fear. The mediocracy rules at the saints. He's doing a great job. The only thing more important than success is STABILITY. It's our new mantra. Keep the status quo at all costs. It's pleasing.

Be as facetious as you like champ, but the "other tried and trued" method hasn't done us a hell of a lot of good over the journey

And the current regime has seen us soar up to 11th in four years. We're in the second phase of a rebuild, with another rebuild coming as our attempts to land a big fish are vanishing before our eyes. Port, Richmond, Melbourne and Essendon have gone past us with the WB jagging a flag. I think a lot of saints fans are smelling the bulls*** the club is peddling. Again. There are real areas of concern, which some have described as "progress" and that we have to be patient. In other words, we don't really know what's going to happen. AR's "pleasing" is becoming the new "Juggernaut".

We've improved, have we? We went down two spots, had our direct opponents for a spot in the eight go past us, terrible percentage, the third worst average losing margin in the competition, and we were thrashed in eight games against potential finals opponents. We are nowhere near the best teams. We beat only two teams above us on the ladder. We've lost our greatest player and another great leader in Joey. We are the second worst kicks for goal in the competition. Apart from all that, everything is going swimmingly! Nothing but blue skies ahead!

Your negativity is becoming tedious. We are all disappointed with the year clearly, but to finish around the same mark with a much harder draw but do it off the back of the younger players is a step forward. As for next year, finals becomes a must so no denying that measure.

Re other clubs, Melbourne haven't played finals for 11 years and had 7 of those in the bottom 5. Essendon after a year of suspended players copped the softest draw and the number 1 pick. Port were on a similar trajectory and missed a GF by a kick in 2014 then didn't play finals next 2 years. Richmond are top 4 after some recent finals but years of building.

Every one us has the right to voice our opinion, but it would be great if some did after thinking a bit more

That's all fins as long as we don't go signing up a coach for a contract extension when clear questions remain
I'd give Alan till Rd 11 next year, you'll know by then how we stack up against the big boys or if we still kick 1.8 a quarter and get beaten by those around us.....

Stability is great. Stability when you ain't going forward is dumb.

[MickThomas]

Have no fear. The mediocracy rules at the saints. He's doing a great job. The only thing more important than success is STABILITY. It's our new mantra. Keep the status quo at all costs. It's pleasing.

Be as facetious as you like champ, but the "other tried and trued" method hasn't done us a hell of a lot of good over the journey

And the current regime has seen us soar up to 11th in four years. We're in the second phase of a rebuild, with another rebuild coming as our attempts to land a big fish are vanishing before our eyes. Port, Richmond, Melbourne and Essendon have gone past us with the WB jagging a flag. I think a lot of saints fans are smelling the bulls*** the club is peddling. Again. There are real areas of concern, which some have described as "progress" and that we have to be patient. In other words, we don't really know what's going to happen. AR's "pleasing" is becoming the new "Juggernaut".

We've improved, have we? We went down two spots, had our direct opponents for a spot in the eight go past us, terrible percentage, the third worst average losing margin in the competition, and we were thrashed in eight games against potential finals opponents. We are nowhere near the best teams. We beat only two teams above us on the ladder. We've lost our greatest player and another great leader in Joey. We are the second worst kicks for goal in the competition. Apart from all that, everything is going swimmingly! Nothing but blue skies ahead!

Your negativity is becoming tedious. We are all disappointed with the year clearly, but to finish around the same mark with a much harder draw but do it off the back of the younger players is a step forward. As for next year, finals becomes a must so no denying that measure.

Re other clubs, Melbourne haven't played finals for 11 years and had 7 of those in the bottom 5. Essendon after a year of suspended players copped the softest draw and the number 1 pick. Port were on a similar trajectory and missed a GF by a kick in 2014 then didn't play finals next 2 years. Richmond are top 4 after some recent finals but years of building.

Every one us has the right to voice our opinion, but it would be great if some did after thinking a bit more

That's all fins as long as we don't go signing up a coach for a contract extension when clear questions remain
I'd give Alan till Rd 11 next year, you'll know by then how we stack up against the big boys or if we still kick 1.8 a quarter and get beaten by those around us.....

Stability is great. Stability when you ain't going forward is dumb.

Perfect assessment.

Let's be happy that the skipper of the good ship "StKilda"
has our leaky boat going around in circles...
It's important to stay consistent!
He's the captain of the ship, we don't need to find another!

[Jacks Back]

I heard on one of the footy programs tonight that we are one of a number of clubs interested in David Teague for an assistant's role. Currently the forwards coach at Adelaide.

[MickThomas]

I heard on one of the footy programs tonight that we are one of a number of clubs interested in David Teague for an assistant's role. Currently the forwards coach at Adelaide.

OMG
can we finally get rid of that Aaron Hamill, an underperforming, overpaid, brainless and clueless forwards coach.
Useless

[SaintPav]

Have no fear. The mediocracy rules at the saints. He's doing a great job. The only thing more important than success is STABILITY. It's our new mantra. Keep the status quo at all costs. It's pleasing.

Be as facetious as you like champ, but the "other tried and trued" method hasn't done us a hell of a lot of good over the journey

And the current regime has seen us soar up to 11th in four years. We're in the second phase of a rebuild, with another rebuild coming as our attempts to land a big fish are vanishing before our eyes. Port, Richmond, Melbourne and Essendon have gone past us with the WB jagging a flag. I think a lot of saints fans are smelling the bulls*** the club is peddling. Again. There are real areas of concern, which some have described as "progress" and that we have to be patient. In other words, we don't really know what's going to happen. AR's "pleasing" is becoming the new "Juggernaut".

We've improved, have we? We went down two spots, had our direct opponents for a spot in the eight go past us, terrible percentage, the third worst average losing margin in the competition, and we were thrashed in eight games against potential finals opponents. We are nowhere near the best teams. We beat only two teams above us on the ladder. We've lost our greatest player and another great leader in Joey. We are the second worst kicks for goal in the competition. Apart from all that, everything is going swimmingly! Nothing but blue skies ahead!

Your negativity is becoming tedious. We are all disappointed with the year clearly, but to finish around the same mark with a much harder draw but do it off the back of the younger players is a step forward. As for next year, finals becomes a must so no denying that measure.

Re other clubs, Melbourne haven't played finals for 11 years and had 7 of those in the bottom 5. Essendon after a year of suspended players copped the softest draw and the number 1 pick. Port were on a similar trajectory and missed a GF by a kick in 2014 then didn't play finals next 2 years. Richmond are top 4 after some recent finals but years of building.

Every one us has the right to voice our opinion, but it would be great if some did after thinking a bit more

That's all fins as long as we don't go signing up a coach for a contract extension when clear questions remain
I'd give Alan till Rd 11 next year, you'll know by then how we stack up against the big boys or if we still kick 1.8 a quarter and get beaten by those around us.....

Stability is great. Stability when you ain't going forward is dumb.

Sacking him mid-season would not be a great move in my opinion which is what you would be effectively doing if he was told in round 11 that the club was not going to renew his contract. The is absolutely no guarantee we would get someone better anyway.

After round 15, we were 9 and 6 and practically in the top 4 after one of the best performances of the year by any team. Hence, I wouldn't be setting a particular date or round on signing him up. His performance and the season needs to be looked at in it's entirety and reviewed against his performance targets that have been set by the club and other factors that are outside a coaches control such as player availability etc. We are obviously not privy to these.

Having said that, the club needs to revamp the football department. We need new faces and fresh ideas; coaching personnel from successful clubs is obviously preferable. The big challenge is the competition for talented coaches is fierce and they cost lots of money. Richo needs help. How long has Danny Sexton been there for? I think he's been there since the Lyon years.

[magnifisaint]

The Director of Coaching

[fingers]

Just wondering if anybody knows - who reviews the coaches' performance? (aka Who polices the police?)

Does anyone know if we have some external review process on the coaches' performance? Do they get constructive criticism and feedback from people outside of the club? (besides Saintsational).

Who does their exit interview?

I hope there is something set-up that assesses their performance, both in terms of how they achieved their goals and also in terms of, for lack of a better word, their technique.

Starts with the CEO - unless they decide to do some special review. Then they may engage outside help. CEO ould present findings to Board - who will most likely have asked or will ask him to deep dive on particular topics (player management, welfare, match day, development etc).

Ultimately the board will sign off.

[SaintPav]

Just wondering if anybody knows - who reviews the coaches' performance? (aka Who polices the police?)

Does anyone know if we have some external review process on the coaches' performance? Do they get constructive criticism and feedback from people outside of the club? (besides Saintsational).

Who does their exit interview?

I hope there is something set-up that assesses their performance, both in terms of how they achieved their goals and also in terms of, for lack of a better word, their technique.

Starts with the CEO - unless they decide to do some special review. Then they may engage outside help. CEO ould present findings to Board - who will most likely have asked or will ask him to deep dive on particular topics (player management, welfare, match day, development etc).

Ultimately the board will sign off.

With your last point, it also depends with the individuals on the board. Some have a more intricate understanding of the issues and will ask better questions than others. As you know, it can make a critical difference.

I know what one question I would be asking Richo if I had the chance.