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Hypothetical trades

Post: # 1694961Post Joffa Burns »

OK, our drafting has been reasonable since 2013, better than GC & GWS given their cream but sadly lacking compared to the likes of Adelaide who can draft and develop very good players consistently from late and rookie picks.

Assuming we are looking to play finals next year and want more than the development of Billings, Sinclair, Gresham, Mc Cartin, Steele, Acres et al to take us the next step and don’t want to wait three to four years for our two first rounders to develop.

Who do we trade for and what is a deal to get it done, what is reasonable? Would you do the trade?

IMO we can live without another KPP back-man for the next couple of years.
We need great foot skills, A grade talent and preferably outside speed.

Whitfield has the foot skills, Matera is A Grade talent and both will not cost the farm.
Kelly has everything but will cost the farm and a bit more.

I’d still love us to have a crack at Rocky as a free agent as we have the cash and he costs nothing as a free agent, he is A grade talent.
Also Motlop, while inconsistent he is devastating on his day and also an restricted FA.
I’d say Dusty is out of our league.

Trade 1
Our two first round picks to GWS for Josh Kelly
They gave up pick 9 and Dom Tyson (pick 3) for #2 to get Kelly

Trade 2
Hawthorn pick for Lachie Whitfield
Saints first round pick for Brandon Matera with their second round pick (#19 or #20) coming back

Trade 3
Two first round picks for Lachie Whitfield & Jacob Hopper with their second round pick (#25) coming back and a later shuffle

Trade 4
Hawthorn pick for Lachie Whitfield
Saints first round pick for Jake Lever

What would we have to give up for Jack Martin at GC?

Or do we just go to the draft???


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Post: # 1694978Post borderbarry »

If we could get Whitfield for Hawthorn's pick I would do it, butI would take our pick to the draft.

I would try for Rocky too.


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Post: # 1694993Post stonecold »

Like your thinking Corfe, but Matera is not an A-Grader and neither is Rockcliffe!!!!!

Martin, Kelly, Dangerfield types are AFL A-Graders, not the two you have mentioned!!!!!


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stonecold wrote:Like your thinking Corfe, but Matera is not an A-Grader and neither is Rockcliffe!!!!!

Martin, Kelly, Dangerfield types are AFL A-Graders, not the two you have mentioned!!!!!
Probably worded badly, Matera is not an A grade player by a long shot but has A grade talent/ skill and could be elite if he puts it together.

The three you mentioned are super stars of the comp, if they constitute A grade there is probably only 8 or so A graders in the AFL.

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Post: # 1695004Post MickThomas »

an A-Grader will cost a lot of money and will be chased by clubs waving lots of cash.
Someone who is A minus, could be better value


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Post: # 1695005Post Rosco »

Joffa Burns wrote:
stonecold wrote:Like your thinking Corfe, but Matera is not an A-Grader and neither is Rockcliffe!!!!!

Martin, Kelly, Dangerfield types are AFL A-Graders, not the two you have mentioned!!!!!
Probably worded badly, Matera is not an A grade player by a long shot but has A grade talent/ skill and could be elite if he puts it together.

The three you mentioned are super stars of the comp, if they constitute A grade there is probably only 8 or so A graders in the AFL.

You're a hard task master LF :!:

Martin, Kelly, Dangerfield = elite


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Post: # 1695009Post desertsaint »

every pick we have in the daft for kelly! we'll take the last picks gws have that would otherwise be thrown away. whatever it takes.


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Post: # 1695010Post DJ Higgins »

I doubt we will get Kelly or Martin. Both will most likely stay just like Fyfe. I would like to get either but realistically it wont happen so lets get behind our draft team and hope we pick wisely. I would use both picks in the draft and get a defender like Jarrod Brander or Aaron Naughton and outside mid like Lachie O'Brien or Nick Coffield


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Post: # 1695270Post The_President »

Rory Lobb anyone?


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from the AFL trade whisperer on twitter

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Post: # 1695287Post Proph3t of egan »

quirky84 wrote:from the AFL trade whisperer on twitter

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how many retweets in order to get that scoop i wonder?


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Post: # 1695288Post Grrrrr »

I'd rather we keep Webster, improving well with each game.


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Grrrrr wrote:I'd rather we keep Webster, improving well with each game.

Would be crazy to trade Webster!!

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Post: # 1695291Post Teflon »

Jesus trading out Webster , one of only a small minority who can hit a target by foot, is odd


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Post: # 1695292Post dragit »

Sounds like Geelong are going after Devon Smith & Hopper… they'll need to find some picks to get it done you'd think.


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Post: # 1695304Post GregPackhamsHeadband »

You'd have to back the cats, given their track record of getting deals done. I'd take Hopper in a heartbeat. Smith, I'm not so sure about. He's slipped a bit, but his best is still very good and a change of scenery might do him the world of good. We're in a much stronger trading position than the pussies.


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You'd have to back the cats, given their track record of getting deals done. I'd take Hopper in a heartbeat. Smith, I'm not so sure about. He's slipped a bit, but his best is still very good and a change of scenery might do him the world of good. We're in a much stronger trading position than the pussies.


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Post: # 1695306Post MickThomas »

would hate to lose either of these warriors

But have to trust the club with getting a very valuable player/s
Because we can't get something for nothing.
Giving up picks are fine, but a club might want an established proven player,
if only for depth in their own list.

Webster under contract/ Will the new club pay out his contract?


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Websters speed and speed of ball movement is imperative to our future success


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Post: # 1695341Post SMS »

WTF??? Webster is on the verge of becoming elite.
No way we trade him ALTHOUGH
we do have too many half backs and webstwr is the only one with trade value atm. We must be backing in White, Rice, McKenzie, Savage.
Makes me think we are getting gun midfielders which means we have to give something and webster has value. Makes sense actually.

Out: Webster Armitage Lonie Hickey
Ins: Whitfeld and 1 of Kelly/Martin

That would be perfection and really we should be able to do it.


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Post: # 1695346Post David-Lee »

I like Joffas #4 scenario please....Whitfield and Lever are great value and we save $$ for 2019. Plus we do actually have mids with elite potential....


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Post: # 1695628Post saintfox »

I'd be going hard on the free agents rocky from Brisbane and push hard for one of menzel or motlop from gelong, spend some money and save picks for elite talent in the draft. Prize another young talented midfielder Balic from Freo will be cheap and another Back man like Ali Ali from swans

Gives us 2 free agents
2 top ten draft pick
1 up coming Blackman
1 x promising mid
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saintfox wrote:I'd be going hard on the free agents rocky from Brisbane and push hard for one of menzel or motlop from gelong, spend some money and save picks for elite talent in the draft. Prize another young talented midfielder Balic from Freo will be cheap and another Blackman like Ali Ali from swans

Gives us 2 free agents
2 top ten draft pick
1 up coming Blackman
1 x promising mid

Balic is cooked


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saintfox wrote:another Blackman like Ali Ali from swans
:shock: :shock: :shock:


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Post: # 1695636Post GregPackhamsHeadband »

Joffa Burns wrote:
saintfox wrote:another Blackman like Ali Ali from swans
:shock: :shock: :shock:
I didn't know we were short of black men. :shock:


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