An example of how we over rate our younger players

[Moods]

http://bit.ly/2f74Hco

This link is just one website and one person's opinion (maybe a few) But for mine it indicates to me where we are at. It's the best players in the comp in a team under 22 yrs of age. Not one Saint is included.

Now I know we could argue that Billings belongs in there and the whole thing is a joke blah blah blah. HOWEVER to me what it says is that at the moment we are becoming irrelevant as a club. Our players are not front of mind when people are talking about young guns or up and comers. WE talk about it because WE support the club. If we take the blinkers off the reality is that from a wider footy perspective we are not taken overly seriously.

I would argue that Billings deserves a spot in that team - but the argument isn't black or white. And we have drafted quite a few young blokes under 21 in the past 3-4 years. That team is not a joke team. There are some seriously good players named in that team. Why aren't at least 2 of them Sainters??

[stonecold]

Swap Tom Boyd and DeGoey out for starters, not a serious team with those two in!!!!!

Billings should be in before the filth door jam slammer!!!!!

But, also you do make a good point!!!!!

Gresham would be a chance, but not consistent enough at the minute!!!!!

[quirky84]

Billings was clearly just forgotten and it an obvious mistake.

He should 100% be in there ahead of several blokes. You can tell he was forgotten because he's not even mentioned in the notable absentees.

Powell-Pepper and McGrath have had much better first years than JB, but have they been better than JB this season? You have to be kidding right?

Caleb Daniel, Dom Sheed also deserve a spot.

[WellardSaint]

JB has kicked 17 goals 26 this year?
If he'd been better and kicked 26.17 it would push him closer

As it is, his one break out game was the Murphygate one when he just fluked the goals
in direct breach of his normal habits, against a team that would lose to Coorparoo under 16s

He has talent but isn't consistent enough.
If we'd won say 4 more games, and he'd been a good contributor in more games as well,
sure he'd be in there

[Con Gorozidis]

De Goey is very good. Has been good the last two months.
If he played for us we would be rating him highly.

But of course we will get the usual one eyed responses on here.
Noone knows what they are talking about. Billings and Gresham are the best players in the known universe etc etc etc.

[Con Gorozidis]

JB has kicked 17 goals 26 this year?
If he'd been better and kicked 26.17 it would push him closer

He kicked 6.12 last year. So maybe he just cant kick that well?

[WellardSaint]

JB has kicked 17 goals 26 this year?
If he'd been better and kicked 26.17 it would push him closer

He kicked 6.12 last year. So maybe he just cant kick that well?

I don't get how he nailed those goals against Carlscum...
thats like a tail-ender hitting 5 sixes in a row off a paceman

[Yorkeys]

Who said we (over) rate them. Don't we just hope there is untapped potential waiting to be released. Waiting....

[Devilhead]

Happy to fly under the radar

[GregPackhamsHeadband]

JB has kicked 17 goals 26 this year?
If he'd been better and kicked 26.17 it would push him closer

He kicked 6.12 last year. So maybe he just cant kick that well?

I don't get how he nailed those goals against Carlscum...
thats like a tail-ender hitting 5 sixes in a row off a paceman

It puzzles me also. He's a good kick in general and seemed more accurate in front of goal when he started. 23.38 over the past two years. The upside is he's had 61 shots at goal. The bad news is 23.38. Imagine if he'd scored 45.16 instead. He'd be in that side if that was the case. I think Gresham is a bit stiff, but I know I probably overrate him. Perhaps on potential. Either way, it's not a great endorsement of our draft picks and development program.

[BackFromUSA]

JB has kicked 17 goals 26 this year?
If he'd been better and kicked 26.17 it would push him closer

He kicked 6.12 last year. So maybe he just cant kick that well?

I don't get how he nailed those goals against Carlscum...
thats like a tail-ender hitting 5 sixes in a row off a paceman

It puzzles me also. He's a good kick in general and seemed more accurate in front of goal when he started. 23.38 over the past two years. The upside is he's had 61 shots at goal. The bad news is 23.38. Imagine if he'd scored 45.16 instead. He'd be in that side if that was the case. I think Gresham is a bit stiff, but I know I probably overrate him. Perhaps on potential. Either way, it's not a great endorsement of our draft picks and development program.

or perhaps our PR machine?

[Moods]

It puzzles me also. He's a good kick in general and seemed more accurate in front of goal when he started.

Is he? I don't reckon he is. He looks like a great kick. Looks smooth. Quite often he doesn't get the depth in his kicking that he's looking for and too often misses simple kicks. It's frustrating because he seems to have great ball sense and doesn't have trouble getting to where he needs to be as a rule. The point was made that he has had 60 odd shots at goal - I think that in isolation is a great effort and underlines his potential to be anything. He needs to start nailing the bread and butter shots at goal and the freak goals were come. His field kicking can be sublime but too often is inconsistent. I have said before, I thought he was going to be what Zac Merrett has become. The good news is, there is still time and he has shown numerous times this year that he could be what we all hoped he would be.

I would change my name to Impatient Sainter but someone has already taken that alias........

[desertsaint]

how many rising star nominations have we had since 2010? Steven (and Savage) 2011 (amazing considering Steven debuted in 2009), Siposs 2012, Dunstan and Billing 2014, Lonie 2015, Gresh and Acres last year. So this is a rare year, but we did trade our first rounder.
Dunstan and Gresham our highest place getters coming 6th.

Last time we were down we had 8 nominations between 2001-2003 with two winners and a third.

[bigcarl]

i wonder what that list would have looked like after the Richmond win when we'd won four in a row. Perhaps might have snuck a few in then

[GregPackhamsHeadband]

It puzzles me also. He's a good kick in general and seemed more accurate in front of goal when he started.

Is he? I don't reckon he is. He looks like a great kick. Looks smooth. Quite often he doesn't get the depth in his kicking that he's looking for and too often misses simple kicks. It's frustrating because he seems to have great ball sense and doesn't have trouble getting to where he needs to be as a rule. The point was made that he has had 60 odd shots at goal - I think that in isolation is a great effort and underlines his potential to be anything. He needs to start nailing the bread and butter shots at goal and the freak goals were come. His field kicking can be sublime but too often is inconsistent. I have said before, I thought he was going to be what Zac Merrett has become. The good news is, there is still time and he has shown numerous times this year that he could be what we all hoped he would be.

I would change my name to Impatient Sainter but someone has already taken that alias........

Dux of his class at his draft combine for kicking. I reckon he's gone backwards since, especially in front of goal.

[Con Gorozidis]

how many rising star nominations have we had since 2010? Steven (and Savage) 2011 (amazing considering Steven debuted in 2009), Siposs 2012, Dunstan and Billing 2014, Lonie 2015, Gresh and Acres last year. So this is a rare year, but we did trade our first rounder.
Dunstan and Gresham our highest place getters coming 6th.

Last time we were down we had 8 nominations between 2001-2003 with two winners and a third.

Correct.
This turned in to the great side of 09/10.

[St Chris]

Last time we were down we had 8 nominations between 2001-2003 with two winners and a third.

Correct.
This turned in to the great side of 09/10.

2001: Caydn Beetham, James Begley, Kosi (Winner) - Notable Nominations include Damian Cupido, Aaron Fiora & Dion Woods
2002: Roo (Winner), X Clarke - notables include Nick Ries, Ty Zantuck & Jason Cloke
2003: Luke Ball, Brendon Goddard, Leigh Montagna - includes Byron Schammer, Richard Cole & Marc Bullen

So although we had a few nominees during that time, it's hardly an exact science.

I wouldn't be too worried with not seeing any names come up this year - i think Brandon White might be a sneaky chance to nab one before the year is out though.

What worries me more is how many nominations we get against us, It seems to happen a lot. Melican was the last one, for toweling up Roo a couple of weeks ago.

[Wombat15]

JB has kicked 17 goals 26 this year?
If he'd been better and kicked 26.17 it would push him closer

He kicked 6.12 last year. So maybe he just cant kick that well?

I don't get how he nailed those goals against Carlscum...
thats like a tail-ender hitting 5 sixes in a row off a paceman

It puzzles me also. He's a good kick in general and seemed more accurate in front of goal when he started. 23.38 over the past two years. The upside is he's had 61 shots at goal. The bad news is 23.38. Imagine if he'd scored 45.16 instead. He'd be in that side if that was the case. I think Gresham is a bit stiff, but I know I probably overrate him. Perhaps on potential. Either way, it's not a great endorsement of our draft picks and development program.

Im no goalkicking coach but JB lacks a bit of ticker in front of goal. Gets the dream angle for a left footer of being 30-45 out on a slight angle on the right flank. Constantly misses when its simple as putting at the top left goal post and letting it drift back.
Greshams gonna be a star. I can handle a bit of second season selfishness because that will turn itself around. Never loses his feet, willing to have a crack and take the game by the scruff of the neck when the chance arises. The dumb aspects like the playing on when shouldve held the ball will come from experience. Now it sounds hypocritical to up gresh and not billings but i feel gresh was drafted as a small forward and expected to be that selfish "i got this" type of forward. Whereas everyone keeps saying JB is elite, His kicking is second to none. I dont think what ive see can consistently back that up.

[WellardSaint]

Urban myth? There's been a few suggestions that
"experts" like sports scientists at clubs,
refuse to let players (at most clubs) kick a lot,
as it scars the quadriceps muscles (big front thigh muscles)

Footy training has ALWAYS included lots and lots of "kicking"
so what incredible discovery now says that kicking repetition will damage quads?

Rubbish rubbish rubbish

[Con Gorozidis]

Will Hayward looks very good.