Kelly and May

[loris]

I'm with you on this, JB. Whitfield is very gettable, my thauthes tell me. Hopper and Smith will be like Steele. Hidden guns looking for opportunity. We could get all three and still bid for Dusty. Don't forget Rockliffe and Pittard. Would cost us nothing but Salary cap space, which we have plenty of. The one no one is mentioning is Schache. I'd go hard for him. We need another tall forward as much as we need mids. Rumour mill has Paddy willing to go to Geelong. Three way swap with Brisbane is a possibility. Paddy to Geelong, Schache to saints, Geelong player and picks to Brisbane. Would you do it? I'd be sorely tempted, I have to say.

Paddy was friendly with one of the Brownless daughters as of June 2016, if he's still with her,
then Geelong would be attractive for him.

I think he is, or was up until this past weekend Wellard Saint. There is an article on Saints.com. Showing what Saints players were doing with their week off. There was a shot (instantgram, tweet or one of those thingies) showing Paddy and said Brownless offspring together at some holiday place. - think it was Byron Bay or may have been further north.

[jaxons]

I'm with you on this, JB. Whitfield is very gettable, my thauthes tell me. Hopper and Smith will be like Steele. Hidden guns looking for opportunity. We could get all three and still bid for Dusty. Don't forget Rockliffe and Pittard. Would cost us nothing but Salary cap space, which we have plenty of. The one no one is mentioning is Schache. I'd go hard for him. We need another tall forward as much as we need mids. Rumour mill has Paddy willing to go to Geelong. Three way swap with Brisbane is a possibility. Paddy to Geelong, Schache to saints, Geelong player and picks to Brisbane. Would you do it? I'd be sorely tempted, I have to say.

Do you just make stuff up or do you get people on BigFooty to do it for you?
Never read so much garbage in one post.

[WellardSaint]

I'm with you on this, JB. Whitfield is very gettable, my thauthes tell me. Hopper and Smith will be like Steele. Hidden guns looking for opportunity. We could get all three and still bid for Dusty. Don't forget Rockliffe and Pittard. Would cost us nothing but Salary cap space, which we have plenty of. The one no one is mentioning is Schache. I'd go hard for him. We need another tall forward as much as we need mids. Rumour mill has Paddy willing to go to Geelong. Three way swap with Brisbane is a possibility. Paddy to Geelong, Schache to saints, Geelong player and picks to Brisbane. Would you do it? I'd be sorely tempted, I have to say.

Do you just make stuff up or do you get people on BigFooty to do it for you?
Never read so much garbage in one post.

Shakespeare: "methinks thou doth protest too much"

i.e. if someone is so adamant about something NOT happening...
Like Marc Murphy crying wolf over his fashion blogger missus...

[Joffa Burns]

I'm with you on this, JB. Whitfield is very gettable, my thauthes tell me. Hopper and Smith will be like Steele. Hidden guns looking for opportunity. We could get all three and still bid for Dusty. Don't forget Rockliffe and Pittard. Would cost us nothing but Salary cap space, which we have plenty of. The one no one is mentioning is Schache. I'd go hard for him. We need another tall forward as much as we need mids. Rumour mill has Paddy willing to go to Geelong. Three way swap with Brisbane is a possibility. Paddy to Geelong, Schache to saints, Geelong player and picks to Brisbane. Would you do it? I'd be sorely tempted, I have to say.

Do you just make stuff up or do you get people on BigFooty to do it for you?
Never read so much garbage in one post.

Are you stating Whitfield isn't open to a move or do you refer to the Paddy part as garbage?

[Joe Bloggs]

Too true Jaxsons.

[White Winmar]

I'm with you on this, JB. Whitfield is very gettable, my thauthes tell me. Hopper and Smith will be like Steele. Hidden guns looking for opportunity. We could get all three and still bid for Dusty. Don't forget Rockliffe and Pittard. Would cost us nothing but Salary cap space, which we have plenty of. The one no one is mentioning is Schache. I'd go hard for him. We need another tall forward as much as we need mids. Rumour mill has Paddy willing to go to Geelong. Three way swap with Brisbane is a possibility. Paddy to Geelong, Schache to saints, Geelong player and picks to Brisbane. Would you do it? I'd be sorely tempted, I have to say.

Do you just make stuff up or do you get people on BigFooty to do it for you?
Never read so much garbage in one post.

Not made up. Just a few rumours that have been floated. Just looking at possibilities. By the time the trade period comes around, who knows? The Paddy speculation has been reported in the media. Is it true? Who knows? You certainly don't. The Paddy info comes from a senior footy writer who tells me That Geelong is more than interested in luring Paddy home. Nothing to do with St.Kilda. I believe Richo loves him too much to entertain a trade for him. I never said the saints would trade him. I doubt they would, but if Geelong came up with a "Godfather" offer, who knows? Read the post again.

Remember, it's only a fan forum. We're allowed to throw some scenarios around. Are you saying Whitfield is ungettable? If so, I think you are not as itk as you would have us believe. Would you ignore Rockliffe or Pittard? Both available and are RFAs. Didn't say we're after them, just thought they might be worth a look if nothing better was available. Hopper and Smith? Both being widely speculated on as probably moving for greater opportunity. They'll probably stay, but who knows? It's June. The club would be negligent if it didn't at least have a serious look at them. Like WS, I think you doth protesteth too much, Jaxons. A bit sensitive about Paddy. Where there's smoke there's blue cod old bean. Lighten up and tell us what you do know, instead of hurling insults. You've been very touchy of late. Is the pressure of being the site's self appointed itk beginning to tell?

[magnifisaint]

I thought it was reported in the paper that Whitfield had re-signed with the Giants. Why would the Saints trade out a number 1 pick before he's had time to prove himself.

[White Winmar]

Not sure, magnifisaint. He and Smith are touted as re-signing at some point, but that pen had not been put to paper. In footy speak that usually means we want him to sign but his management is holding out for a better deal. Happy to be proven wrong. Do you have a source? I'd be disappointed if we didn't at least have a chance to get him. The boy can really play and he's a local.

[stonecold]

Not sure, magnifisaint. He and Smith are touted as re-signing at some point, but that pen had not been put to paper. In footy speak that usually means we want him to sign but his management is holding out for a better deal. Happy to be proven wrong. Do you have a source? I'd be disappointed if we didn't at least have a chance to get him. The boy can really play and he's a local.

Sounds to me that you have a personal connection of some sort, cause, he was pick 1, wasn't he? So, if you work on 'The Paddy Theory', he has way under performed!!!!!

[shrodes]

I thought it was reported in the paper that Whitfield had re-signed with the Giants. Why would the Saints trade out a number 1 pick before he's had time to prove himself.

As far as I'm aware he hasn't re-signed.

From one month ago:
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/ne ... trade-talk

Though he doesn't appear on the out of contract list
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_ ... ct_players

There was murmurs that he wasn't happy with how GWS dealt with the drug testing thing and wanted out, but who knows.

EDIT: He is signed up to end of 2018, my bad.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/gws-giant- ... osgh3.html

[Joffa Burns]

Not sure, magnifisaint. He and Smith are touted as re-signing at some point, but that pen had not been put to paper. In footy speak that usually means we want him to sign but his management is holding out for a better deal. Happy to be proven wrong. Do you have a source? I'd be disappointed if we didn't at least have a chance to get him. The boy can really play and he's a local.

Sounds to me that you have a personal connection of some sort, cause, he was pick 1, wasn't he? So, if you work on 'The Paddy Theory', he has way under performed!!!!!

I'd put a good deal of money on him coming home for 2018 season.
Where he goes, who knows?

I'm a big fan having watched him for many years.
Great runner, very good foot skills.
Mix between Goddard and Scully in type of play.
Is already a very good player, will be a gun IMO.

[magnifisaint]

I desperately want to get Josh Kelly.

But I don't want us to become some private school boy club. This is what held Melbourne back for decades.

You're not into generalising are you Con.

[White Winmar]

I'm with you on this, JB. Whitfield is very gettable, my thauthes tell me. Hopper and Smith will be like Steele. Hidden guns looking for opportunity. We could get all three and still bid for Dusty. Don't forget Rockliffe and Pittard. Would cost us nothing but Salary cap space, which we have plenty of. The one no one is mentioning is Schache. I'd go hard for him. We need another tall forward as much as we need mids. Rumour mill has Paddy willing to go to Geelong. Three way swap with Brisbane is a possibility. Paddy to Geelong, Schache to saints, Geelong player and picks to Brisbane. Would you do it? I'd be sorely tempted, I have to say.

Do you just make stuff up or do you get people on BigFooty to do it for you?
Never read so much garbage in one post.

I suppose you never read your own then ?

[HarryM]

I'm with you on this, JB. Whitfield is very gettable, my thauthes tell me. Hopper and Smith will be like Steele. Hidden guns looking for opportunity. We could get all three and still bid for Dusty. Don't forget Rockliffe and Pittard. Would cost us nothing but Salary cap space, which we have plenty of. The one no one is mentioning is Schache. I'd go hard for him. We need another tall forward as much as we need mids. Rumour mill has Paddy willing to go to Geelong. Three way swap with Brisbane is a possibility. Paddy to Geelong, Schache to saints, Geelong player and picks to Brisbane. Would you do it? I'd be sorely tempted, I have to say.

Do you just make stuff up or do you get people on BigFooty to do it for you?
Never read so much garbage in one post.

I suppose you never read your own then ?

Just ignore him jaxons, he thinks he's head of recruiting down at the Saints and really believes his fantasy stories.

[jaxons]

I'm with you on this, JB. Whitfield is very gettable, my thauthes tell me. Hopper and Smith will be like Steele. Hidden guns looking for opportunity. We could get all three and still bid for Dusty. Don't forget Rockliffe and Pittard. Would cost us nothing but Salary cap space, which we have plenty of. The one no one is mentioning is Schache. I'd go hard for him. We need another tall forward as much as we need mids. Rumour mill has Paddy willing to go to Geelong. Three way swap with Brisbane is a possibility. Paddy to Geelong, Schache to saints, Geelong player and picks to Brisbane. Would you do it? I'd be sorely tempted, I have to say.

Do you just make stuff up or do you get people on BigFooty to do it for you?
Never read so much garbage in one post.

I suppose you never read your own then ?

Paddy, despite dating Bill Brownless's daughter, has no interest in going to Geelong, he is signed for a while, loves the Saints and is here to stay as long as we want him, which we do.
Whitfield is signed to GWS until the end of next year.
Hopper and Smith want to stay at Giants but may be squeezed out if Kelly stays a Giant.
Why would we go for Pittard when we have an abundance of half back flankers on the list?
Schache is not coming Saints.
Free country you can say what you want, although when you write stuff that has no truth or credibility you need to be held accountable.

[SaintPav]

So who are we interested in then?

[White Winmar]

Thanks for that brilliant and insightful post. Up to the usual standard, Harry M. Maybe a bit of vicarious glory might get reflected from our itk, onto you. Judging by our self appointed itk's actual record I think I know who is fantasising. And you're right there, feeding him. Why does our resident itk give us some real news? All you and he have are some childish insults. Wow. Great stuff. Keep it coming. What I know about footy and the club might not take long to explain, but IF we added what you know, it wouldn't take a second longer.

[jaxons]

So who are we interested in then?

Interested in what is the best for the club.
There is nothing wrong with going to the draft with picks 4 and 8, which we currently have either.
All options are being explored.
Trading both our first round picks, trading one of them, and trading none of them.
A couple of our fringe players are being pursued by other clubs too, lots of water to go under the bridge.
Let's focus on winning some games and hopefully making the finals for now.

[Jacks Back]

Wally (Brian Waldron) said on KB's show today on SEN that his sources are telling him that Kelly will stay at the Giants which may then release a Hopper type out the other side due to their salary cap.

[White Winmar]

So who are we interested in then?

Interested in what is the best for the club.
There is nothing wrong with going to the draft with picks 4 and 8, which we currently have either.
All options are being explored.
Trading both our first round picks, trading one of them, and trading none of them.
A couple of our fringe players are being pursued by other clubs too, lots of water to go under the bridge.
Let's focus on winning some games and hopefully making the finals for now.

Well pardon me, Jaxsons, but with the greatest respect that post tells us nothing. It's more of the same. Bland broad statements without specifics. SP asked a legitimate question and you throw up a post that belongs in a politician's doorstop. Fair enough, if you don't know the answer, just say so. Anyone could've posted what you just did. Adds nothing.

I'm like the vast majority of posters on this site. I'm not an itk, but I still have some connections and have a couple of good friends in the media. I merely repeated what I was told by a journo, and given the nature of it, I thought it was worthy of discussion, given it involves our number one draft pick. If you find the speculation offensive, tell us why, or ring the GFC and give them a blast, because that's where it originated. As for the other suggestions, they are only that. Suggestions. Feel free to ignore, or contribute what you know to be correct. Plenty would be interested in that, me included.

[stonecold]

Well May is off the table, he is about to announce he is re-signing at Gold Coast!!!!!

So, one less to speculate about!!!!!

[takeaway]

So who are we interested in then?

Interested in what is the best for the club.
There is nothing wrong with going to the draft with picks 4 and 8, which we currently have either.
All options are being explored.
Trading both our first round picks, trading one of them, and trading none of them.
A couple of our fringe players are being pursued by other clubs too, lots of water to go under the bridge.
Let's focus on winning some games and hopefully making the finals for now.

Well pardon me, Jaxsons, but with the greatest respect that post tells us nothing. It's more of the same. Bland broad statements without specifics. SP asked a legitimate question and you throw up a post that belongs in a politician's doorstop. Fair enough, if you don't know the answer, just say so. Anyone could've posted what you just did. Adds nothing.

I'm like the vast majority of posters on this site. I'm not an itk, but I still have some connections and have a couple of good friends in the media. I merely repeated what I was told by a journo, and given the nature of it, I thought it was worthy of discussion, given it involves our number one draft pick. If you find the speculation offensive, tell us why, or ring the GFC and give them a blast, because that's where it originated. As for the other suggestions, they are only that. Suggestions. Feel free to ignore, or contribute what you know to be correct. Plenty would be interested in that, me included.

Just best to ignore WW, jaxons. Posts that are not even in the ballpark are best to skim over.

[Proph3t of egan]

As far as I know, when you're itk, they specifically tell you not to talk about it on places like this, or to anyone else

[loris]

As far as I know, when you're itk, they specifically tell you not to talk about it on places like this, or to anyone else

Yes that would be my reading too

[White Winmar]

I'm with you on this, JB. Whitfield is very gettable, my thauthes tell me. Hopper and Smith will be like Steele. Hidden guns looking for opportunity. We could get all three and still bid for Dusty. Don't forget Rockliffe and Pittard. Would cost us nothing but Salary cap space, which we have plenty of. The one no one is mentioning is Schache. I'd go hard for him. We need another tall forward as much as we need mids. Rumour mill has Paddy willing to go to Geelong. Three way swap with Brisbane is a possibility. Paddy to Geelong, Schache to saints, Geelong player and picks to Brisbane. Would you do it? I'd be sorely tempted, I have to say.

Do you just make stuff up or do you get people on BigFooty to do it for you?
Never read so much garbage in one post.

I suppose you never read your own then ?

Paddy, despite dating Bill Brownless's daughter, has no interest in going to Geelong, he is signed for a while, loves the Saints and is here to stay as long as we want him, which we do.
Whitfield is signed to GWS until the end of next year.
Hopper and Smith want to stay at Giants but may be squeezed out if Kelly stays a Giant.
Why would we go for Pittard when we have an abundance of half back flankers on the list?
Schache is not coming Saints.
Free country you can say what you want, although when you write stuff that has no truth or credibility you need to be held accountable.

Held to account by you, Jaxons? The moral compass of the site as well as oracle in residence? Wow, you really have drunk your own bath water, haven't you? Let's examine your post in a bit of forensic detail, shall we? I know you are not used to being challenged, but here goes.

1. No one said we are going to trade Paddy. Not for Schache or anyone else. My information, which comes from a senior writer is that Geelong believes Paddy is "gettable", either at the end of this year or next. They have had discussions as to what might be needed to lever him out as he would suit their upcoming needs. Their rationale is they could do a better job of developing Paddy than the saints (Geelong thinks they are better at everything than we are), he has strong family ties in the area and is dating a local girl who happens to be the daughter of a club legend. That's all. Would you do a deal if it came along is all I asked. You said no. And as you mentioned "we" are happy to have him, I believe you are referring to the club and not just yourself.

2. Whitfield is signed until 2018? Big deal. Contracts are broken every day in this game. Again, the right deal may prise him loose. Hopper and Smith are worthy options in my opinion. Kelly as well. So we are in furious agreement on this one. Of course we're not going to get all of them. One would do.

3. Yes, we do have too many half back flankers already. Pity they are not performing. In case you hadn't noticed we are one of the worst rebounding teams in the competition, meaning our incumbents are a long way short of what is required. Refer to The thread on defensive stats to see the ugly truth. Pittard would be an upgrade on all of them ATM. A player who is in AA discussions. Apart from Robbo and maybe Jill, we have no one performing at that level, or anywhere near it.

4. On a final note, I don't recall seeing anyone else in the room when I was given the tidbit of info. I note you haven't claimed to ba itk at Geelong, but enlighten us if you are. So, when you have no idea what you're talking about you need to be held to account. It is disturbing to think that an itk who speaks on behalf of the club would be so dismissive of any information which might indicate another club is targeting a required player. It has also been widely speculated on in the media, so it's hardly a secret.

Remember, Freo pinched Ross from under our noses and we do have a very sad track record of losing great players, don't we? Ditterich, Lockett, Stewart, Winmar, Everitt, Hall etc. so we do have priors for being a little careless with our stars. On a final note, I wonder what the club would think about a true ITK coming onto a fan forum? You've launched at a few more than me, when they had the audacity to challenge you. If you can't take a bit of constructive criticism, I suggest you build your cult over at BF.