Mcstake

[Impatient Sainter]

Darcy Moore is a better athlete than Paddy but even he is another example talls take several years to have an influence. Its not Paddys fault we lost nor his fault that the delivery was non existent. I dont think he should have played but it was a ridiculous move to drop Bruce for Paddy.

[saint6709]

Regardless of draft pick I find it difficult to believe that a professional afl footballer -ie someone who gets paid to practice nearly every day can't turn both ways to kick a ball - like zoolander paddy is a player who can't turn right ie onto his left boot - he can only turn left and kick with the right - that has to be something that can still be learnt

[stonecold]

Paddy will be fine, end of story, move on, nothing to see here, especially for the Un-educated!!!!!

[RODOS]

you idiots. Of course he is one touch, watch him in the VFL, he's half touch, he's just nervous cos it's his 20th fkn game. Jesus christ. The ball barely got into our fifty, and when it did our midfield burnt him badly, ignored his leads. He fumbled one mark, which he followed up. I think it even resulted in a goal for us. He snapped another over his shoulder in the pocket, which yes was offline, but how did he find that space if he's so fat and slow? He followed up a marking contest where he was surrounded by three other swans and pushed it wide. The only other time the ball was kicked to him in the fifty he dealt with his opponent early and marked it. Jesus, the whole of our club, players, coaches and management, think this thread is a POS and should be taken down. Pathetic effort. This forum is a joke

[saintspremiers]

No Stevens and others showed form early and probably should have been played more early in their careers. My belief with Paddy isn't his ability, I believe it's above the shoulders because of the numerous concussions he's had and other injuries.
If they can't fix that than all he will be is potential and there are plenty of examples throughout the history of football.

Stevens played for Footscray up until this season.

[saintspremiers]

Probably the diabetes that's the issue

bulls***

Great response.

[saintspremiers]

People saying we should keep playing McCartin. Really? And keep Bruce in the reserves?
Because McCartin, Membrey, Bruce and Roo in one team is too much, especially against
the speedy sides. One has to go and McCartin is the obvious choice.

Pretty much correct. Bruce is a safer option at this stage. Maybe bring back Paddy against a weaker side.

[ace]

you idiots. Of course he is one touch, watch him in the VFL, he's half touch, he's just nervous cos it's his 20th fkn game. Jesus christ. The ball barely got into our fifty, and when it did our midfield burnt him badly, ignored his leads. He fumbled one mark, which he followed up. I think it even resulted in a goal for us. He snapped another over his shoulder in the pocket, which yes was offline, but how did he find that space if he's so fat and slow? He followed up a marking contest where he was surrounded by three other swans and pushed it wide. The only other time the ball was kicked to him in the fifty he dealt with his opponent early and marked it. Jesus, the whole of our club, players, coaches and management, think this thread is a POS and should be taken down. Pathetic effort. This forum is a joke

The post originator - Ace before the game had discussed the wisdom of leaving Paddy alone with only Riewoldt as a part time tall forward.
I was not concerned with Paddy being in the side but that Bruce was dropped.
This post originated at half time during the game.
The plan to go without Bruce in the team was so obviously a failure by half time.
The selection committee had made a big mistake which I called a McStake because they brought Paddy in for Bruce.
Paddy will only ever be a mid forward, he is not particularly tall and does not have much of leap.
Even Membrey marks the ball higher than Paddy.


I stand by my belief that it was a McStake to replace Bruce with Paddy.
If they wanted Paddy in the side then they should have dropped someone else.
I will not take the post down because the entire game proved that we needed an extra tall forward (even if I knew how to accomplish that).

For those who failed to read the first post this is what it said

Half Time

We don't have a tall forward other than Riewoldt.

McCartin is NOT a tall, he is a small.

Riewoldt jumps, Bruce jumps, they play tall.
They often get tunnelled
McCartin does not jump, he plays small.
Has anyone ever seen McCartin get tunnelled - not possible if you don't leave the ground.

If we play McCartin we still need to play Bruce.

[Sainter_Dad]

I stand by my belief that it was a McStake to replace Bruce with Paddy.
If they wanted Paddy in the side then they should have dropped someone else.
I will not take the post down because the entire game proved that we needed an extra tall forward (even if I knew how to accomplish that).

Having that explained changes the way that the thread reads, after all we have a lot of people calling him Mc[Insert adjective here]. It was easy to read that you were saying that McCartin is a Mistake. I think that is what got people riled.

[RODOS]

For those who failed to read the first post this is what it said

Half Time

We don't have a tall forward other than Riewoldt.

1. McCartin is NOT a tall, he is a small.

2. Riewoldt jumps, Bruce jumps, they play tall.
They often get tunnelled
McCartin does not jump, he plays small.
Has anyone ever seen McCartin get tunnelled - not possible if you don't leave the ground.

3. If we play McCartin we still need to play Bruce.

1 ... McCartin is taller than Riewoldt

2. .. How did he take that mark v hawthorn? Got higher than Roo ever has - because Roo doesn't play like that. McCartin doesn't get tunnelled because he's a steam train. When he launches he holds his line. Also we're going from a 20 game sample size.

3 .. Bruce can't even take a grab for sandy at the minute

I understand watching that game was vomit inducing, and your post makes more sense given it was half time, but its basis is in frustration, not reality.

[samoht]

Bruce does all the right things, which are actually harder than taking the mark itself - by getting to the drop of the ball, etc. - but just can't hold on to the marks. He had his purple patch and couldn't go on with it.
I'd rather we get games into McCartin - and hopefully when Paddy has his purple patch - and it will happen - it will just be the start for him.

[magnifisaint]

Probably the diabetes that's the issue

bulls***

Great response.

Can't use that as excuse. Just like you can't use injuries as an excuse. If he plays against the Bulldogs he needs to kick 4.

[Scollop]

you idiots. Of course he is one touch, watch him in the VFL, he's half touch, he's just nervous cos it's his 20th fkn game. Jesus christ. The ball barely got into our fifty, and when it did our midfield burnt him badly, ignored his leads. He fumbled one mark, which he followed up. I think it even resulted in a goal for us. He snapped another over his shoulder in the pocket, which yes was offline, but how did he find that space if he's so fat and slow? He followed up a marking contest where he was surrounded by three other swans and pushed it wide. The only other time the ball was kicked to him in the fifty he dealt with his opponent early and marked it. Jesus, the whole of our club, players, coaches and management, think this thread is a POS and should be taken down. Pathetic effort. This forum is a joke

The post originator - Ace before the game had discussed the wisdom of leaving Paddy alone with only Riewoldt as a part time tall forward.
I was not concerned with Paddy being in the side but that Bruce was dropped.
This post originated at half time during the game.
The plan to go without Bruce in the team was so obviously a failure by half time.
The selection committee had made a big mistake which I called a McStake because they brought Paddy in for Bruce.
Paddy will only ever be a mid forward, he is not particularly tall and does not have much of leap.
Even Membrey marks the ball higher than Paddy.


I stand by my belief that it was a McStake to replace Bruce with Paddy.
If they wanted Paddy in the side then they should have dropped someone else.
I will not take the post down because the entire game proved that we needed an extra tall forward (even if I knew how to accomplish that).

For those who failed to read the first post this is what it said

Half Time

We don't have a tall forward other than Riewoldt.

McCartin is NOT a tall, he is a small.

Riewoldt jumps, Bruce jumps, they play tall.
They often get tunnelled
McCartin does not jump, he plays small.
Has anyone ever seen McCartin get tunnelled - not possible if you don't leave the ground.

If we play McCartin we still need to play Bruce.

Ace referring to himself as the 3rd person. James Brayshaw would have had a laugh.

There's a nominatin for the segment on "Off the bench" with Pickers and Hutchy

[Grrrrr]

Plugger was far from an elite athlete but the best footballer I have ever seen.

Give the kid a go.

[White Winmar]

Plugger was far from an elite athlete but the best footballer I have ever seen.

Give the kid a go.

I think I can safely say, Paddy ain't no Plugger. Not fit to tie his bootlaces. Plugger was a Coleman and Brownlow medallist at 21. At the same age, Paddy struggles to even get a game and struggles to impose himself at VFL level. The signs are not great. Three preseasons, overweight, lacking mobility, one position player with little endurance, injury prone and has a debilitating chronic disease, unreliable kick for goal, no second efforts. Apart from all that, he's killing it. I want Paddy to succeed. Desperately. He's a great young bloke.

Several of my colleagues in the recruiting game suggested, and unfortunately they appear to be on the money, there's nothing about him that made him an obvious number one pick. Some didn't even have him in their top dozen. I was hoping against hope they were wrong, but I'm starting to see they may have been right. The best we can hope for is he ends up like Jack Watts. A very good player, but not a great one, as your number one should be.

Jack Billings has copped plenty on here, but he showed glimpses of what he was capable of from the very beginning. A match winning effort against the WB in his second year, and now he's overcoming his injury issues, he's shown he can be a match winner, as a number 3 pick should be. Paddy has'nt even kicked three goals in a game yet. Not looking good. Meanwhile, Petracca continues to develop and deliver for the Dees.

[Moods]

Plugger was far from an elite athlete but the best footballer I have ever seen.

Give the kid a go.

I think I can safely say, Paddy ain't no Plugger. Not fit to tie his bootlaces. Plugger was a Coleman and Brownlow medallist at 21. At the same age, Paddy struggles to even get a game and struggles to impose himself at VFL level. The signs are not great. Three preseasons, overweight, lacking mobility, one position player with little endurance, injury prone and has a debilitating chronic disease, unreliable kick for goal, no second efforts. Apart from all that, he's killing it. I want Paddy to succeed. Desperately. He's a great young bloke.

Several of my colleagues in the recruiting game suggested, and unfortunately they appear to be on the money, there's nothing about him that made him an obvious number one pick. Some didn't even have him in their top dozen. I was hoping against hope they were wrong, but I'm starting to see they may have been right. The best we can hope for is he ends up like Jack Watts. A very good player, but not a great one, as your number one should be.

Jack Billings has copped plenty on here, but he showed glimpses of what he was capable of from the very beginning. A match winning effort against the WB in his second year, and now he's overcoming his injury issues, he's shown he can be a match winner, as a number 3 pick should be. Paddy has'nt even kicked three goals in a game yet. Not looking good. Meanwhile, Petracca continues to develop and deliver for the Dees.

This pretty much sums it up I'm afraid.

[stonecold]

How many years in the AFL had Plugger had by the time he was 21?????

Paddy airnt Plugger, that's for sure, but Paddy didn't start playing AFL Footy at the same age as Plugger either!!!!!

Disgusting Headline, worst comparison!!!!!

[fugazi]

Plugger was far from an elite athlete but the best footballer I have ever seen.

Give the kid a go.

I think I can safely say, Paddy ain't no Plugger. Not fit to tie his bootlaces. Plugger was a Coleman and Brownlow medallist at 21. At the same age, Paddy struggles to even get a game and struggles to impose himself at VFL level. The signs are not great. Three preseasons, overweight, lacking mobility, one position player with little endurance, injury prone and has a debilitating chronic disease, unreliable kick for goal, no second efforts. Apart from all that, he's killing it. I want Paddy to succeed. Desperately. He's a great young bloke.

Several of my colleagues in the recruiting game suggested, and unfortunately they appear to be on the money, there's nothing about him that made him an obvious number one pick. Some didn't even have him in their top dozen. I was hoping against hope they were wrong, but I'm starting to see they may have been right. The best we can hope for is he ends up like Jack Watts. A very good player, but not a great one, as your number one should be.

Jack Billings has copped plenty on here, but he showed glimpses of what he was capable of from the very beginning. A match winning effort against the WB in his second year, and now he's overcoming his injury issues, he's shown he can be a match winner, as a number 3 pick should be. Paddy has'nt even kicked three goals in a game yet. Not looking good. Meanwhile, Petracca continues to develop and deliver for the Dees.

This pretty much sums it up I'm afraid.

Yep.. .the most balanced take I've read

[White Winmar]

How many years in the AFL had Plugger had by the time he was 21?????

Paddy airnt Plugger, that's for sure, but Paddy didn't start playing AFL Footy at the same age as Plugger either!!!!!

Disgusting Headline, worst comparison!!!!!

Come on SC. plugger was 16 when he made his debut and made an immediate impact. Second year as a 17 /18 year old was carving up defences and tallying up 60+goals in a totally shyte team. Fifth year kicked the ton and won the Brownlow. In a s*** team that won only nine games, all mainly due to him. At 21. Same age as Paddy is now. Paddy has had the advantage of specialist coaching and the support of a system plugger could only dream of. No comparison. Paddy is not a write off yet, but he's shown us nothing so far to indicate he was worthy of the number one pick.

[stonecold]

So Paddy still has a couple of seasons up he's sleeve, my point exactly!!!!!

[stonecold]

And PS. As the song goes 'there's only one Tony Locket, one Tony Locket'!!!!!

[Toy Saint]

Plugger was far from an elite athlete but the best footballer I have ever seen.

Give the kid a go.

I think I can safely say, Paddy ain't no Plugger. Not fit to tie his bootlaces. Plugger was a Coleman and Brownlow medallist at 21. At the same age, Paddy struggles to even get a game and struggles to impose himself at VFL level. The signs are not great. Three preseasons, overweight, lacking mobility, one position player with little endurance, injury prone and has a debilitating chronic disease, unreliable kick for goal, no second efforts. Apart from all that, he's killing it. I want Paddy to succeed. Desperately. He's a great young bloke.

Several of my colleagues in the recruiting game suggested, and unfortunately they appear to be on the money, there's nothing about him that made him an obvious number one pick. Some didn't even have him in their top dozen. I was hoping against hope they were wrong, but I'm starting to see they may have been right. The best we can hope for is he ends up like Jack Watts. A very good player, but not a great one, as your number one should be.

Jack Billings has copped plenty on here, but he showed glimpses of what he was capable of from the very beginning. A match winning effort against the WB in his second year, and now he's overcoming his injury issues, he's shown he can be a match winner, as a number 3 pick should be. Paddy has'nt even kicked three goals in a game yet. Not looking good. Meanwhile, Petracca continues to develop and deliver for the Dees.

So Mr Winmar, I reckon Collingwood would offer Paddy $1m for 5 years, and offer St Kilda their 1st round draft pick.

Interested?

[Con Gorozidis]

Plugger was far from an elite athlete but the best footballer I have ever seen.

Give the kid a go.

I think I can safely say, Paddy ain't no Plugger. Not fit to tie his bootlaces. Plugger was a Coleman and Brownlow medallist at 21. At the same age, Paddy struggles to even get a game and struggles to impose himself at VFL level. The signs are not great. Three preseasons, overweight, lacking mobility, one position player with little endurance, injury prone and has a debilitating chronic disease, unreliable kick for goal, no second efforts. Apart from all that, he's killing it. I want Paddy to succeed. Desperately. He's a great young bloke.

Several of my colleagues in the recruiting game suggested, and unfortunately they appear to be on the money, there's nothing about him that made him an obvious number one pick. Some didn't even have him in their top dozen. I was hoping against hope they were wrong, but I'm starting to see they may have been right. The best we can hope for is he ends up like Jack Watts. A very good player, but not a great one, as your number one should be.

Jack Billings has copped plenty on here, but he showed glimpses of what he was capable of from the very beginning. A match winning effort against the WB in his second year, and now he's overcoming his injury issues, he's shown he can be a match winner, as a number 3 pick should be. Paddy has'nt even kicked three goals in a game yet. Not looking good. Meanwhile, Petracca continues to develop and deliver for the Dees.

So Mr Winmar, I reckon Collingwood would offer Paddy $1m for 5 years, and offer St Kilda their 1st round draft pick.

Interested?

Plugger had kicked 240 goals before his 21st birthday.....

I would take pick 5 for Paddy if we think Marshall and Battle are going to be good. Yep. I would.

That would leave us with something like 3, 5, 10.

That would be unbelievable if we get it right. Use 5 & 10 on Kelly and then use pick 3 in the draft on a gun KPP.

[The Barometer]

How many years in the AFL had Plugger had by the time he was 21?????

Paddy airnt Plugger, that's for sure, but Paddy didn't start playing AFL Footy at the same age as Plugger either!!!!!

Disgusting Headline, worst comparison!!!!!

Come on SC. plugger was 16 when he made his debut and made an immediate impact. Second year as a 17 /18 year old was carving up defences and tallying up 60+goals in a totally shyte team. Fifth year kicked the ton and won the Brownlow. In a s*** team that won only nine games, all mainly due to him. At 21. Same age as Paddy is now. Paddy has had the advantage of specialist coaching and the support of a system plugger could only dream of. No comparison. Paddy is not a write off yet, but he's shown us nothing so far to indicate he was worthy of the number one pick.

Plugger also had the advantage of a less developed and strategic game, opposition coaches now havd thd luxury of video analysis etc to plan there defence. Sheedy once used a tactic of filling the hole in frong of plugger with Ezard and plugger struggled to get a touch. Paddy would probably have more planning against him than plugger ever had.
Yes plugger was a freak for his time but Paddy has shown glimpes and needs confidence and an injury free run a la billings. If we get more quarters like the one v Rance pre collarbone then most would ve happy.

[BackFromUSA]

Happy with Paddy. Think he will be a very good player once he hits his peak in a few years.

Paddy or Bruce, Membrey or Battle as forwards and Marshall or Pierce as relief ruck would be ideal at that time.

Not a fan of the Paddy, Bruce, Membrey forward line without a relief ruck.