Let's discuss umpires and cheating

[CURLY]

We all saw it today why do we cop it again? It's cheating and it sits blatant at times. Cost us v WC nearly v Collingwood and today it was horrendous.

[The OtherThommo]

An associate at the game had the ear phones in. When Montagna got done for the 50 (3rd?), which resulted in a goal, according to the associate, Ling stated they'd heard the recording of the umpire's reasoning for the 50, and it went something like this:

Montagna: 'That's a soft free kick'.

Umpire: 'That's 50'.

The associate is far from prone to embellishment.

[CURLY]

Yeah just cheating and blatant.

[Mr Magic]

An associate at the game had the ear phones in. When Montagna got done for the 50 (3rd?), which resulted in a goal, according to the associate, Ling stated they'd heard the recording of the umpire's reasoning for the 50, and it went something like this:

Montagna: 'That's a soft free kick'.

Umpire: 'That's 50'.

The associate is far from prone to embellishment.

Actually the reply is on the AFL website and Joey said 'That's a soft bump' - The umpire apologised to Joey for getting it wrong but didn't cancel the 50m penalty.
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[The OtherThommo]

An associate at the game had the ear phones in. When Montagna got done for the 50 (3rd?), which resulted in a goal, according to the associate, Ling stated they'd heard the recording of the umpire's reasoning for the 50, and it went something like this:

Montagna: 'That's a soft free kick'.

Umpire: 'That's 50'.

The associate is far from prone to embellishment.

Actually the reply is on the AFL website and Joey said 'That's a soft bump' - The umpire apologised to Joey for getting it wrong but didn't cancel the 50m penalty.
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So, the associate didn't embellish, MM.

The only word that counts is 'soft'.

The word that doesn't count is 'apology', obviously.

[kosifantutti]

So you're telling us what you heard your mate heard Ling heard. I can't see that going wrong anywhere.

I'm pretty sure the umpire claimed that Joey had said "soft c"

The umpire didn't say he got it wrong. He said "if I got it wrong, I apologise"

[stevie]

The deliberate oob, the rushed behind rule and most 50's are blights on what used to be our game. IMO, the sport is at its lowest ebb. Much like music and movies at the moment lol

[Freebird]

The deliberate oob, the rushed behind rule and most 50's are blights on what used to be our game. IMO, the sport is at its lowest ebb. Much like music and movies at the moment lol

This - Its a disgrace when ump blows his whistle and everyone waits to see how he's going to call it.

FFS what is going on - nobody knows the rules anymore - just let the 50/50s go

This weekend I seen a player come from behind (1 metre behind) to stand on the mark - ump says you can't come from behind and give him 50 metres. I knew for the rest of the weekend I would see this happen all the time without a 50-metre penalty. How do the players know what to do?

[carn_sainter]

FFS what is going on - nobody knows the rules anymore - just let the 50/50s go

This weekend I seen a player come from behind (1 metre behind) to stand on the mark - ump says you can't come from behind and give him 50 metres. I knew for the rest of the weekend I would see this happen all the time without a 50-metre penalty. How do the players know what to do?

I agree with this. The rules are now such that the umpiring is in fact arbitrary. Impossible to enforce without gross unfairness and inconsistency.


Overall though, as much as we got robbed a few time, we also got a few gifts. By no means did we lose by the whistle.

[Sainternist]

I'm still perplexed by that ump bringing the ball back to Gilbert and not letting the advantage rule to play after he delivered the ball perfectly to Rooey. The game was still in the balance then. That one really got stuck in my craw.

[Grimfang]

I'm still perplexed by that ump bringing the ball back to Gilbert and not letting the advantage rule to play after he delivered the ball perfectly to Rooey. The game was still in the balance then. That one really got stuck in my craw.

Perfect example of penalizing you by awarding a free kick.

[HardSaint]

check the betting odds posted prior to the game and then watch the umps adjudicate to maintain the status quo

If there's any discussion of cheating there needs to be a motive and good reason

[prwilkinson]

The deliberate oob, the rushed behind rule and most 50's are blights on what used to be our game. IMO, the sport is at its lowest ebb. Much like music and movies at the moment lol

Mate... If St Kilda had won a flag '09 or '10 I'd barely EVER watch AFL footy anymore.

[suss]

The Joey fifty was soft and Selwood as usual ducked his way to four or so free kicks but otherwise I thought it was okay. They got some soft ones but we got some cheapies too - like Bruce's push in the back 25 metres out from goal.


Our turnovers, shitful defending and missing midfield in the last quarter hurt way more.

[CURLY]

I'm still perplexed by that ump bringing the ball back to Gilbert and not letting the advantage rule to play after he delivered the ball perfectly to Rooey. The game was still in the balance then. That one really got stuck in my craw.

Yep 13 down Roo marks 15 out very little angle and the umpire ignores the very basics of the rules and penalises us. It's called cheating.

[Enrico_Misso]

What about the one when Duckhead got cleaned up by a teammate and the filthy cheating prick still got a free kick!!!!

[stevie]

The deliberate oob, the rushed behind rule and most 50's are blights on what used to be our game. IMO, the sport is at its lowest ebb. Much like music and movies at the moment lol

Mate... If St Kilda had won a flag '09 or '10 I'd barely EVER watch AFL footy anymore.

i said to a Hawk mate the other day when discussing thier poor start that at least you have all those flags to savour. I'd be watching the 09 season dvd every week if we had've won that or the next year and i wouldn't ave given a tinker's tossbag if we never won another agme LOL. Another Hawk mate was spewing he never went to any of their 4 flags recently. Said he'll always regret that

[maverick]

I'm still perplexed by that ump bringing the ball back to Gilbert and not letting the advantage rule to play after he delivered the ball perfectly to Rooey. The game was still in the balance then. That one really got stuck in my craw.

Yep 13 down Roo marks 15 out very little angle and the umpire ignores the very basics of the rules and penalises us. It's called cheating.

This
Still can't believe it, roo converts we are a kick down
Changed the game

[Grimfang]

During warm-ups. Geelong were practicing throw-in setups. Boundary umpire comes over and assists them by throwing in for them for the session. When they finished it was all smiles and handshakes.

Saints then setup in almost the exact same spot. Umpires disappeared.

Maybe nothing but seems to speak volumes about the club's relationship with the umpiring fraternity.

[spert]

Umpire shmumpire. We lost due a pathetic performance in the last quarter of yesterday's game and the WCE game, not to mention a pathetic 2nd quarter against the Demons. Go take it out on the coach- he seems to be having problems getting his team to play four quarters, let alone getting his midfield to actually get the ball when the pressure is on and games are there to win.

[Joffa Burns]

We all saw it today why do we cop it again? It's cheating and it sits blatant at times. Cost us v WC nearly v Collingwood and today it was horrendous.

So let me get this straight, the umpires deliberately cheat against St Kilda?
What is their reason and how do they benefit?

Simply ridiculous

[CURLY]

We all saw it today why do we cop it again? It's cheating and it sits blatant at times. Cost us v WC nearly v Collingwood and today it was horrendous.

So let me get this straight, the umpires deliberately cheat against St Kilda?
What is their reason and how do they benefit?

Simply ridiculous

Explain then how we've been reamed twice in three weeks.

[Toy Saint]

There was an odd incident in front of me on the flank in the 3rd quarter (i think). The ball went out of bounds and umpire #7 signaled delibeate (against Geelong), but the boundary umpire collected the ball and threw it in. Very puzzling.

Blatant umpire cheating is difficult to explain, there needs to be a motive. One motive is the betting odds, but I would have thought if they were going to cheat they'd favour the team with the better odds, Saints were $2.50 and Cats were $1.50 so my guess is that's not the case.

The second motive would be directions from headquarters for the commercial benefit of the AFL. Headquarters is obviously keen to see certain clubs do well as it helps the rating. There are reasons why they want Sydney especially, and the interstate teams, as well as the Melbourne teams with the powerfull supporter base to do well. After the doping saga I'm sure they'd like Essendon to do well. But it's difficult to undestand why they would favour Geelong against St Kilda.

The third reason is the 'small penis syndrome'. A lot of these umpires have big ego's and enjoy the power trip. How dare anybody question their decisions, and if we dare complain about poor treatment in Perth they will make us pay...just ask Adam Schnieder...question me...and you will pay...for the remainder of your career.

[ROLS-LEE]

The Joey fifty was soft and Selwood as usual ducked his way to four or so free kicks but otherwise I thought it was okay. They got some soft ones but we got some cheapies too - like Bruce's push in the back 25 metres out from goal.


Our turnovers, shitful defending and missing midfield in the last quarter hurt way more.

And those easy shots on goal. Like Bruce's 25meters out and Weller.

[Joe Bloggs]

There was an odd incident in front of me on the flank in the 3rd quarter (i think). The ball went out of bounds and umpire #7 signaled delibeate (against Geelong), but the boundary umpire collected the ball and threw it in. Very puzzling.

Blatant umpire cheating is difficult to explain, there needs to be a motive. One motive is the betting odds, but I would have thought if they were going to cheat they'd favour the team with the better odds, Saints were $2.50 and Cats were $1.50 so my guess is that's not the case.

The second motive would be directions from headquarters for the commercial benefit of the AFL. Headquarters is obviously keen to see certain clubs do well as it helps the rating. There are reasons why they want Sydney especially, and the interstate teams, as well as the Melbourne teams with the powerfull supporter base to do well. After the doping saga I'm sure they'd like Essendon to do well. But it's difficult to undestand why they would favour Geelong against St Kilda.

The third reason is the 'small penis syndrome'. A lot of these umpires have big ego's and enjoy the power trip. How dare anybody question their decisions, and if we dare complain about poor treatment in Perth they will make us pay...just ask Adam Schnieder...question me...and you will pay...for the remainder of your career.

It's less obvious if you want the favourite to win..