Better team and coach than 2010

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Missing from those listed 2009/10 players is one Sam Fisher, one of the great defenders in our history.

Then there was Michael Gardiner, who gave excellent service to the Club.

We had some excellent players thru that period no doubt but, IMO there was too much of a Riewoldt focus (to the detriment of Koschitzke) and our bottom half dozen were just too many to carry on the biggest stage.

Hopefully those lessons have been learned - and I suspect they have.

You would trust that every player running onto the ground for the final game of the year would have a BOG in their kit.

So, if our star players are shut down as likely happens, someone else bobs up.

[To the top]

Just to add, we lacked pace hence Peake and the attempt to get the guy from Essendon.

Gram was probably the quickest player we had (and he was quick) - and had the disposal to maximise hence the goals he kicked as a defender.

We had no-one else who was quick - hence, also, our lack of defensive pressure and sides like Essendon doing to us what they did at that time.

Great players, but not the right ingredients.

Hence the hope for Freeman now to assist Steven.

And why the pace of Wright catches attention.

[samoht]

Spot on TTT.
I remember one game vs Essendon at the Docklands, back in 2010 - there were 2 Essendon players with express pace - maybe Davey and Lovett? -- who were positioned in open space, right next to each other - somewhere between the centre square and half forward - and they were just waiting for the long ball to be kicked their way.

We had no answer to it.
They kept pouncing on the long, loose ball and running it deep into their forward line, time and time again.
We couldn't lay a tackle on them.
They did as they pleased. It was so frustrating to watch.

Our team stats showed we had 100 more possessions around the ground - but their 30 or so possessions did all the damage, and Essendon won running away.

Ross Lyon had no answer for it - they were just too quick for us. Some clever coaching by Essendon and those 2 players did all the damage.

[Johnny Member]

Oh man I think you guys are overrating us.

[desertsaint]

that's some powerful kool aid in the water round melbourne way. i'm all for confidence in the team, but suddenly a team hoping to fight it's way into the eight is on par with probably the best ever team not to win a flag? Eight AAs in that team. we have three of them, all well in their twilight and only one close to it. It's a bit of an insult to that team, and a delusion with no chance to see fruition this year.

[prwilkinson]

that's some powerful kool aid in the water round melbourne way. i'm all for confidence in the team, but suddenly a team hoping to fight it's way into the eight is on par with probably the best ever team not to win a flag? Eight AAs in that team. we have three of them, all well in their twilight and only one close to it. It's a bit of an insult to that team, and a delusion with no chance to see fruition this year.

I don't think anyone's denying the top end talent of that team.

[Moods]

that's some powerful kool aid in the water round melbourne way. i'm all for confidence in the team, but suddenly a team hoping to fight it's way into the eight is on par with probably the best ever team not to win a flag? Eight AAs in that team. we have three of them, all well in their twilight and only one close to it. It's a bit of an insult to that team, and a delusion with no chance to see fruition this year.

Exactly right DS. People seem to forget that in 2010 we had the best player in the competition (Roo) who missed half the year through injury, but had the ability to still make a GF but draw it. Not only do we not have the best player in the competition this year but we probably don't have a player in the top 15. Would only have 2 players in the top 40, and one of those is 34 yrs old!.

We simply don't have the star quality yet in this lineup. Depth may well win you flags but it's your stars who get you there

[Joe Bloggs]

Well let's see what this year brings..players will stand tall during a season which will define their standing in the game. It's early days with this team, it has the potential to surpass...and we haven't one a premiership. For a while so we can't really rate the 09 ..010 team as great.

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In 2016 the number of players who polled Brownlow Medal votes increased significantly as did the votes won by St Kilda players

I noted at the time that this achievement was significant in terms of the direction for the immediate and long term future

What we look for in 2017 is for that trend to continue and for those performances to lead team success

Once St Kilda players are being acknowledged in that way perceptions of the abilities of our players will change - and we trust 2016 was the commencement of the recognition that we have a very talented list of players maturing into fine footballers

We are transitioning - as the team of 2009/2010 transitioned (despite losing the likes of Maguire and others who had their careers derailed)

In terms of 2017 I really think that this season is as open as any season has been and except for possibly a couple of Clubs anyone could get on a role at the right time of the season as WB did in 2016

Mind you there is GWS!!

[Impatient Sainter]

If this team can start the season like the 2009/2010 team I will be happy!

[st.byron]

that's some powerful kool aid in the water round melbourne way. i'm all for confidence in the team, but suddenly a team hoping to fight it's way into the eight is on par with probably the best ever team not to win a flag? Eight AAs in that team. we have three of them, all well in their twilight and only one close to it. It's a bit of an insult to that team, and a delusion with no chance to see fruition this year.

Agree. Powerful expectations come before disappointment. If we hit a rough patch, the chorus of expectation could turn to a shrill of AR bashing, among others.

We have a team with a lot of guys still developing and finding their feet at AFL level. Patience.

[Bluthy]

that's some powerful kool aid in the water round melbourne way. i'm all for confidence in the team, but suddenly a team hoping to fight it's way into the eight is on par with probably the best ever team not to win a flag? Eight AAs in that team. we have three of them, all well in their twilight and only one close to it. It's a bit of an insult to that team, and a delusion with no chance to see fruition this year.

Agree. Powerful expectations come before disappointment. If we hit a rough patch, the chorus of expectation could turn to a shrill of AR bashing, among others.

We have a team with a lot of guys still developing and finding their feet at AFL level. Patience.

Wish you'd stop with the excuses before we've even played one game Bryon. Every single team has "guys still developing". Richo's fourth year, 6 years of a rebuild and Richo inherieted some good players. This is his squad now with experience and talent. Time to show what he can do.

[linz]

I suppose we had more stars in 2010 but if you look at the total list of players we had a lot of duds too. Compare the 2 lists below
and I think the 2017 list has an upside which could surpass the 2010 list by the end of the year.
2010 Playing list


Name Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin Position
2 King, Steven 234 31 11 Nov 1978 202cm 105kg Shepparton HS Ruck
15 Gardiner, Michael 158 30 05 Jul 1979 199cm 99kg Claremont Ruck
7 Hayes, Lenny 214 29 14 Jan 1980 186cm 85kg Pennant Hills Midfield
44 Milne, Stephen 188 29 08 Mar 1980 176cm 80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
10 Baker, Steven 178 29 22 May 1980 179cm 83kg Geelong Falcons Midfield
27 Blake, Jason 161 28 15 Mar 1981 189cm 87kg Beaumaris Utility
25 Fisher, Sam 120 27 10 Jul 1982 192cm 88kg West Adelaide Defender
23 Koschitzke, Justin 142 27 20 Sep 1982 197cm 96kg Murray Bushrangers KPP
12 Riewoldt, Nick 182 27 17 Oct 1982 193cm 92kg Southport Forward
9 Lovett, Andrew 88 27 11 Nov 1982 183cm 75kg Essendon Fwd/Mid
30 Peake, Brett 75 26 05 Jul 1983 186cm 88kg Fremantle Fwd/Mid
11 Montagna, Leigh 122 26 11 Nov 1983 178cm 76kg Northern Knights Midfield
24 Dempster, Sean 82 25 20 Jan 1984 192cm 87kg Gippsland U18 Defence
4 Jones, Clinton 50 25 02 Feb 1984 183cm 83kg South Fremantle Midfield
26 Dal Santo, Nick 168 25 22 Feb 1984 185cm 83kg Bendigo Pioneers Midfield
37 Fisher, Leigh (R) 56 25 19 Apr 1984 184cm 86kg Mentone Grammar Midfield
1 Gram, Jason 101 25 27 Apr 1984 186cm 84kg Gippsland Power Defence
13 Schneider, Adam 141 25 12 May 1984 179cm 79kg Osbourne Forward
18 Goddard, Brendon 137 24 20 May 1985 191cm 96kg Traralgon Utility
16 Clarke, Raphael 57 24 24 Sep 1985 188cm 82kg St Mary's Defence
6 Dawson, Zac 37 23 22 Feb 1986 195cm 95kg Doutta Stars Defence
34 Pattison, Adam 61 23 05 Mar 1986 197cm 99kg Richmond Ruck / KPP
22 Ray, Farren 100 23 29 Mar 1986 187cm 84kg Peel Thunder Midfield
32 McQualter, Andrew 59 23 09 Jun 1986 179cm 79kg Gippsland Power Midfield
33 Gwilt, James 41 23 11 Aug 1986 188cm 88kg Noble Park Utility
19 Gilbert, Sam 61 23 19 Aug 1986 194cm 82kg Southport Defence
31 Smith, Jesse W 27 23 29 Sep 1986 191cm 83kg North Melbourne Defence
45 Miles, Luke 0 23 30 Oct 1986 185.8cm 78.8kg Swan Districts Defence
40 Eddy, Robert 23 21 07 Jan 1988 181.7cm 85.0kg Gippsland Power Midfield
50 Allen, Jarryd (R) 4 21 14 Jan 1988 193.2cm 88.0kg Calder Cannons Forward
36 Walsh, Tommy (R) 0 21 26 Feb 1988 195.0cm 95.0kg County Kerry
20 Armitage, David 19 21 16 Jun 1988 183.5cm 80.0kg Morningside Midfield
14 Geary, Jarryn 25 21 23 Jun 1988 182.1cm 77.0kg Bendigo Pioneers Midfield
5 McEvoy, Ben 12 20 11 Jul 1989 200.2cm 94.6kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
38 Johnson, Will 0 20 26 Oct 1989 191.0cm 90.0kg Sandringham Defence
49 Gaertner, Steven (R) 0 19 02 Jan 1990 199.0cm 87.0kg Dandenong Stingrays Defence
3 Steven, Jack 1 19 28 Mar 1990 180.0cm 76.4kg Geelong Falcons Midfield
48 McGrath, Blake (R) 0 19 24 Apr 1990 208.0cm 85.0kg Pennant Hill Ruck
21 Heyne, Nicholas 0 19 22 Jul 1990 188.2cm 79.1kg Orbost Forward
47 Simpkin, Tom (R) 0 19 07 Aug 1990 191.0cm 83.0kg Geelong Falcons Defence
39 Smith, Alistair 0 19 08 Aug 1990 183.5cm 79.0kg Perth Midfield
41 Cahill, Paul 0 19 18 Aug 1990 193.1cm 80.7kg Sturt Forward
29 Lynch, Tom 0 19 15 Sep 1990 191.7cm 85.2kg Sandringham Forward
28 Stanley, Rhys 0 19 01 Dec 1990 200.4cm 88.5kg West Adelaide Ruck
17 Winmar, Nicholas 0 18 27 Apr 1991 189.0cm 77.0kg Claremont Defence
43 Hutchings, Mark (R) 0 18 25 May 1991 180.0cm 82.0kg East Perth Midfielder
42 Archer, Daniel (R) 0 18 26 Oct 1991 193.0cm 98.0kg Clarence

2017 Playing list

Name 2015 Tot Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin
12 Riewoldt, Nick 21 319 34 17 Oct 1982 193cm 96kg Southport
11 Montagna, Leigh 22 271 33 11 Nov 1983 178cm 78kg Northern Knights
24 Dempster, Sean 19 222 32 20 Jan 1984 191cm 87kg Gippsland / Sydney
19 Gilbert, Sam 22 179 30 19 Aug 1986 194cm 90kg Southport
20 Armitage, David 22 150 28 16 Jun 1988 183cm 87kg Morningside
14 Geary, Jarryn 21 141 28 23 Jun 1988 182cm 82kg Bendigo Pioneers
22 Brown, Nathan 16 130 28 17 Dec 1988 195cm 98kg North Ballarat Rebels / Collingwood
45 Holmes, Jason 2 5 27 28 Oct 1989 203cm 100kg Moreland State University
3 Steven, Jack 22 134 26 28 Mar 1990 180cm 83kg Geelong Falcons
5 Savage, Shane 21 111 25 05 Jan 1991 186cm 82kg Dandenong Stingrays / Hawthorn
1 Hickey, Tom 20 61 25 06 Mar 1991 201cm 98kg Morningside / GC
25 Stevens, Koby 12 74 25 18 Jun 1991 189cm 87kg Gippsland / WB
17 Roberton, Dylan 18 102 25 21 Jun 1991 194cm 94kg Dandenong Stingrays / Freo
2 Carlisle, Jake 0 85 25 01 Oct 1991 198cm 102kg Craigieburn / EssendonFC
44 Weller, Maverick 22 90 24 13 Feb 1992 182cm 88kg Burnie Dockers / GC
27 Bruce, Josh 22 68 24 08 Jun 1992 197cm 102kg Glenelg / GWS
16 Newnes, Jack 22 91 23 24 Feb 1993 184cm 81kg Northern Knights
6 Ross, Sebastian 22 59 23 07 May 1993 187cm 87kg North Ballarat Rebels
18 Longer, Billy 0 43 23 12 May 1993 202cm 100kg Northern Knights / Brisbane
29 Webster, Jimmy 11 50 23 28 Jun 1993 188cm 83kg Glenorchy
41 Minchington, Darren 13 23 23 09 Dec 1993 179cm 81kg Dandenong Stingrays
34 Wright, Nathan 10 30 22 16 Feb 1994 184cm 82kg Dandenong Stingrays
28 Membrey, Tim 17 30 22 26 May 1994 188cm 88kg Gippsland / Sydney
42 Pierce, Lewis 1 1 22 16 Nov 1994 202cm 104kg Dandenong Stingrays
7 Dunstan, Luke 18 53 21 29 Jan 1995 184cm 84kg Woodville-West Torrens
35 Sinclair, Jack 9 27 21 12 Feb 1995 180cm 81kg Oakleigh Chargers
10 Freeman, Nathan 0 0 21 16 Jun 1995 183cm 80kg Dingley / Collingwood
15 Billings, Jack 17 42 21 18 Aug 1995 184cm 84kg Oakleigh Chargers
8 Acres, Blake 16 26 21 07 Oct 1995 190cm 90kg West Perth
9 Steele, Jack 10 17 21 13 Dec 1995 187cm 88kg ACT Rams / GWS
32 McCartin, Patrick 11 17 20 19 Apr 1996 194cm 95kg Geelong Falcons
36 McKenzie, Daniel 9 16 20 17 May 1996 184cm 77kg Oakleigh Chargers
13 Lonie, Jack 10 27 20 13 Aug 1996 174cm 71kg Dandenong Stingrays
23 Goddard, Hugh 1 9 20 24 Aug 1996 196cm 98kg Geelong Falcons
38 Coughlan, Nick (R) 0 0 20 12 Sep 1996 193cm 84kg Albury / Murray Bushrangers
31 White, Brandon 1 1 19 13 Jan 1997 188cm 80kg Dandenong Stingrays
37 Rice, Bailey 0 0 19 10 Feb 1997 184cm 86kg Dandenong Stingrays
33 O’Kearney, Nick (R) 0 0 19 13 Feb 1997 181cm 72kg Calder Cannons
21 Long, Ben 0 0 19 21 Aug 1997 181cm 73kg Footscray VFL
4 Gresham, Jade 18 18 19 24 Aug 1997 177cm 76kg Northern Knights
30 Phillips, Ed 0 0 18 29 Mar 1998 186cm 78kg Oakleigh Chargers
26 Battle, Josh 0 0 18 18 Sep 1998 194cm 90kg Dandenong Stingrays

[dragit]

I think the 2017 list has an upside which could surpass the 2010 list by the end of the year.

That would require winning the flag this year, but I think we will be battling it out for a spot in the eight.

[linz]

I think the 2017 list has an upside which could surpass the 2010 list by the end of the year.

That would require winning the flag this year, but I think we will be battling it out for a spot in the eight.

Not necessarily, other teams might improve even more but I think we may surprise and not be far away. At least I hope so.

[dragit]

I think the 2017 list has an upside which could surpass the 2010 list by the end of the year.

That would require winning the flag this year, but I think we will be battling it out for a spot in the eight.

Not necessarily, other teams might improve even more but I think we may surprise and not be far away. At least I hope so.

I hope you're right, but the 2010 side drew a GF, so to surpass that would require winning one.

[CQ SAINT]

There is little doubt we are placed better for a decade of success and multiple grand final wins than we have ever been. Better depth in the squad over a wider spread of ages, better coaching staff and better administration.

3 flags by 2024 looks very plausible. Im not discounting 2017 just yet because of the bulldogs last year and our rapid improvement last year. If we continue as we left off we are going to play finals and there is no reason, if we make it, that we cant win it.

[BigMart]

Surely we jest?!

All Austs in the 09/10 teams
Nick x 5, Lenny x 3, Joey x 2, BJ x 2, Milne x 2, Dal Santo x 2, Ball, Fisher, Gardiner

9 players who at some stage or stages in their career were the best players in their position in the afl

We went 19/3 in 2009 for a reason - over half a team with elite talent
It could also be argued that
Baker was a top shut down back pocket
Jones was the best tagged going around
Gram was a dangerous running half back
Schneider was a dangerous HF
And then
King was a proper back up ruckman
Kosi was a serviceable marking fwd
Mini played a very good role as a defensive small forward

We had a crack team

This team has Nick
Jack Steven is a gun, but reality is that our best player (albeit underrated) has never been an AA and would only be a top 40 player.

[SaintPav]

It's impossible to compare teams across different periods as you also need to take account the opposition.

We were a worthy GF opponent. Probably better than a few winners.

While it's obviously impossible to prove, in my opinion we had superior teams than the 04 to 06 winners.

We were very unlucky.

I will leave it at that.

[stevie]

It's impossible to compare teams across different periods as you also need to take account the opposition.

We were a worthy GF opponent. Probably better than a few winners.

While it's obviously impossible to prove, in my opinion we had superior teams than the 04 to 06 winners.

We were very unlucky.

I will leave it at that.

Yeah our 09 team in most other years would win the GF comfortably. Wet toast and Shitney of 05/06 were, IMO, the 2 'worst' ever flag winners of recent times, until the Bullfrogs last year.

The 09 team would've won every flag since 09 if that makes sense. Hawthorn of 2014 may have kept up for a half but thats about it.

[prwilkinson]

It's impossible to compare teams across different periods as you also need to take account the opposition.

We were a worthy GF opponent. Probably better than a few winners.

While it's obviously impossible to prove, in my opinion we had superior teams than the 04 to 06 winners.

We were very unlucky.

I will leave it at that.

Yeah, 04 to 06 just had a horrid run with injury. At full strength that team could easily go toe to toe with any team