How does the draft bidding system work?

[Goddard Magic]

GWS has picks 2, 15, 37, 39, 45, 52, 55, 57, 58, 59, 60, 77, 109, 127.

They say they will use pick 2 to select the best player available after Bummers first pick.

Then they will bid on their academy players.

How does this work in practice?

[Rosco]

They match bids on their academy players if made by other clubs. They would never pick their own academy players until they start running out of list spots (they'll take their academy players as late as possible so that they can draft others they want, as they can trump someone else's attempt to draft one of their academy players).

[Con Gorozidis]

GWS has picks 2, 15, 37, 39, 45, 52, 55, 57, 58, 59, 60, 77, 109, 127.

They say they will use pick 2 to select the best player available after Bummers first pick.

Then they will bid on their academy players.

How does this work in practice?

Simple example for GWS:

Pick 2 - Andrew McGrath
Pick 9 Swans bid on Will Setterfield - GWS agree to match this. Pick 9 is worth 1469 points with 20% discount is 1175 points.
Pick 15 is 1,112 points. They then lose 63 points from a later pick. And so on.

With all those points they could end up with McGrath plus three Academy players.
I think you can guarantee they get all three of McGrath, Setterfield and Perryman. All ranked as top 10 picks by Callum Twomey.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-13/c ... er-edition

So what we have here is the team that finished third in 2016 getting 3 top 10 draft picks plus Deledio,.

[Sainter_Dad]

So what we have here is the team that finished third in 2016 getting 3 top 10 draft picks plus Deledio,.

And ...... if Geelong stink it up (at least less chance than Carlton doing so) we could have the premiers getting the #1 draft pick.

This is wrong on so many levels (unless we win the cup next year and Hawthorn the spoon)

[ace]

THE AFL would like you to think in terms of the academy clubs receiving a discount of 20% on players called at pick 1 to 17 and a flat 197 points thereafter.
Discounts sound reasonable but I am not a fan of political correctness like the AFL.
A far simpler way to view the system is to call it a bonus of 25% on players called at pick 1 to 17 and a flat 197 points thereafter.
A far too inflammatory word for the AFL.

So how does the bonus work. Let me use examples.

Lets say an academy player is called at pick 1
But the academy club has pick 2.
They use pick 2 (2517pts) to trump pick 1
2400 pts are consumed 2400 x 1.25 trumps pick 1(3000pts).
Pick 1 suddenly becomes pick 2 only worth 2517 points to its owner.
The remainder from pick 2, 117pts is retained, I will call it pick A. But where does it go ?
Pick A points slots it in behind pick 62(123pts)
Pick 63 onwards are forced down in the pecking order but retain their existing points ? I think, not sure on this, help needed ?

Now lets repeat that but this time the academy club only has pick 3
They use pick 3 (2234pts) to trump pick 1
All 2234 pts are consumed 2234 x 1.25 = 2792 pts is insufficient to trump pick 1(3000pts).
It is 208pts short but a further 166 pts x 1.25 will do the trick.
Those 166 points must be trimmed off the academy clubs NEXT pick.
They have say pick 20 (912pts) so pick 20 becomes pick A worth 746 pts.
Because pick 20 has been played all picks after 20 move up the order but retain their original points.
But wait Pick A slots in behind the original pick 25(756 pts), so only picks 21 to 25 really get moved up the order.
Pick A effectively will effectively become pick 26.

Now if the academy club runs out of points they must use their picks in order from the following year except that first round picks are exempt from being forced into use.

This is my understanding of how it works but I will accept correction from those who genuinely know.

[ace]

Now back in 2015 the academy clubs traded away their first round picks for multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks getting point gains in the process.
They then deployed multiple picks to gain their academy players.
It was not what the AFL had intended.
But the clubs employ much smarter people (on less pay) than the AFL.
So this year only picks that have been activated by vacant slots on the senior list can be deployed.
Any non activated picks and their associated points can not be used.
They can not use remainder points to take more players than they have vacant slots.

This year
Gold Coast has picks 4, 6, 8, 10, 73. They will activate the first 4.

GWS has picks 2, 15, 37, 39, 45, 52, 55, 57, 58, 59, 60.
They don't need players picked in the 50s, but they may have a strategy to activate all those picks and associated points.
They are in the process of reducing the number on their list, they could be bringing forward that reduction to gain advantage.
They hope to use pick 2 before their first academy player is called then use pick 15 on him.
They can then use that array of picks to get their remaining academy players as they did last year.

Brisbane has picks 3, 16, 21, 22. They will activate all 4.

Sydney has picks 9, 19, 46, 49. They will activate all 4, but remember Sydney always goes into the season with 1 or 2 vacant slots on their list.
They don't retain list cloggers.

Each of these academy clubs will have positioned themselves to execute strategies that give them the best use of their available bonuses.
They will also exploit the "I will go home " bonus as well.
Other clubs are reluctant to bid for academy players for fear they will want to return North.
They leave it to others to bid for these players.
It means that when an academy player finally does get called he has already slipped way too far down the draft order.

[Jacks Back]

Now back in 2015 the academy clubs traded away their first round picks for multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks getting point gains in the process.
They then deployed multiple picks to gain their academy players.
It was not what the AFL had intended.
But the clubs employ much smarter people (on less pay) than the AFL.
So this year only picks that have been activated by vacant slots on the senior list can be deployed.
Any non activated picks and their associated points can not be used.
They can not use remainder points to take more players than they have vacant slots.

This year
Gold Coast has picks 4, 6, 8, 10, 73. They will activate the first 4.

GWS has picks 2, 15, 37, 39, 45, 52, 55, 57, 58, 59, 60.
They don't need players picked in the 50s, but they may have a strategy to activate all those picks and associated points.
They are in the process of reducing the number on their list, they could be bringing forward that reduction to gain advantage.
They hope to use pick 2 before their first academy player is called then use pick 15 on him.
They can then use that array of picks to get their remaining academy players as they did last year.

Brisbane has picks 3, 16, 21, 22. They will activate all 4.

Sydney has picks 9, 19, 46, 49. They will activate all 4, but remember Sydney always goes into the season with 1 or 2 vacant slots on their list.
They don't retain list cloggers.

Each of these academy clubs will have positioned themselves to execute strategies that give them the best use of their available bonuses.
They will also exploit the "I will go home " bonus as well.
Other clubs are reluctant to bid for academy players for fear they will want to return North.
They leave it to others to bid for these players.
It means that when an academy player finally does get called he has already slipped way too far down the draft order.