So what's our best 22 next season?

[ctqs]

Anyone want to have a crack at our starting 18 and four interchange for next season or is it too early?

[saynta]

Anyone want to have a crack at our starting 18 and four interchange for next season or is it too early?

Bloody hard .Need to think about it. Too many variables at this stage.

[Wayne42]

A few people had a crack at next seasons 22 in this thread..

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=91863

[PADDLEPOP1001]

B: Geary,Goddard,Roberton
HB: Dempster,Carlisle,Savage
C: Newnes,Ross,Roo
HF: Weller,Bruce,Billings
F: Membrey,Mccartin,Wright
R: Hickey,Armo,Stevens
Int:Acres,Dunstan,Joey,Gresham
Emerg:Mckenzie,K.Stevens,White,Webster,Steele,Gilbert

[saintbob]

FB: Roberton Brown Dempster

HB: Webster Carlisle Mckenzie

C : Riewoldt Steele Newnes

HF: Billings Bruce Weller

FF: Membrey McCartin, Gresham

R: Hickey Steven Ross

Int: Acres, Armitage, Montagna, Savage

Emg: White, Gilbert, Rice, Sinclair, Lonie, Dunstan, Minchington, Wright, Longer

[To the top]

So try this, thru rose colored glasses:-

Gilbert Brown White
Roberton Carlisle Montagna
Riewoldt Armitage Acres
Billings Bruce Weller
Freeman McCartin Membrey
Hickey Dunstan Steven
Steele Ross Newnes Gresham

Apart from Gilbert, Montagna, Riewoldt, Armitage, Steven and Newnes what stands out - and sees us (and others passing comment on us) looking to September action once again?

It would appear to me that of such a side, only Brown is a "static" player with the rest all possessing line breaking capacities and/or a capacity to dominate matches and return positive results.

Plus there is flexibility.

The only deficiency is ruck support for Hickey, because there is no one I can leave out for Longer.

We develop the likes of Goddard, McKenzie, Webster, Wright, Rice, Lonie, Stevens and Pierce at VFL level and we have reserves such as the experienced Geary and Dempster.

And, if he wants to go on, I would keep Fisher on the Rookie List as a key defensive back-up whilst Goddard develops into a player to replace Brown.

[stkmo]

B: Geary - Brown - Dempster

HB: Roberton - Carlisle - Newnes

C: Acres - Armitage - Riewoldt

HF: Billings - Bruce - Steele

F: Weller - McCartin - Membrey

R: Hickey - Steven - Ross

INT: Dunstan, Montagna, Savage, K Stevens

EMG: Sinclair, McKenzie, Lonie

Very very tricky.

[martymcfly_86]

Looks like we have finally got some depth!

FB Geary-Dempster-Roberton
HB McKenzie-Carlisle-Montagna
C Riewoldt-Acres-Newnes
HF Billings-Bruce-Gresham
FF Membrey-McCartin-Weller
R Hickey-Ross-Steven
IC Armitage-Gilbert-Steele-Savage
E Wright-Sinclair-Stevens

Close Minchington-Webster-White-Freeman-Brown

[SaintPav]

We'll be very competitive but team lacks stars.

We reallly need Billings, McCartin, Ross, Acres and Gresham to become star AFL players for us to do anything

[#gosaintas]

Ruck support is surely Carlisle with Brown now in the side.

[Rosco]

B: Geary - Brown - Dempster

HB: Roberton - Carlisle - Newnes

C: Acres - Armitage - Riewoldt

HF: Billings - Bruce - Steele

F: Weller - McCartin - Membrey

R: Hickey - Steven - Ross

INT: Dunstan, Montagna, Savage, K Stevens

EMG: Sinclair, McKenzie, Lonie

Very very tricky.

I agreed with this until I noticed no Gresham. Tricky.

[BringBackMadDog]

Ruck support is surely Carlisle with Brown now in the side.

Not if Carlisle plays at CHB, there is not team in the league in this day and age that rests their 2nd ruckman in defence.

[desertsaint]

B: Dylan Roberton, Nathan Brown, Sean Dempster
HB: Jarryn Geary, Jake Carlisle, Leigh Montagna/Shane Savage (can't decide)
C: Nick Riewoldt, Luke Dunstan, Blake Acres
HF: Mav Weller, Josh Bruce, Jack Billings
F: Tim Membrey, Patrick McCartin, Jade Gresham
R: Tom Hickey, Seb Ross, Jack Steven
IC: Jack Steele, Jack Newnes, Koby Stevens, David Armitage

[fugazi]

B: Dylan Roberton, Nathan Brown, Sean Dempster
HB: Jarryn Geary, Jake Carlisle, Leigh Montagna/Shane Savage (can't decide)
C: Nick Riewoldt, Luke Dunstan, Blake Acres
HF: Mav Weller, Josh Bruce, Jack Billings
F: Tim Membrey, Patrick McCartin, Jade Gresham
R: Tom Hickey, Seb Ross, Jack Steven
IC: Jack Steele, Jack Newnes, Koby Stevens, David Armitage

+1
DMac in there somewhere
White not far behind
Dunstan, Bilings and Armo under pressure to hold spots

[WellardSaint]

Monty may be a surprise; I wonder if the match committee will keep him in our best 22?
For- lots of quality possies, penetration, leadership
Against- keeping someone out- stifling development; retaining him isn't looking to the future?
It's a tough one and I don't envy the match committee

[jaxons]

B: Geary Brown Dempster

HB: Roberton Carlisle Savage

C: Newnes Ross Riewoldt

HF: Billings Bruce Membrey

F: Gresham McCarten Weller

R: Hickey Armitage Steven

IC: Montagna Steele Dunstan Acres

Emerg: Webster, Gilbert, Freeman, Goddard, Longer, Lonie, Sinclair, Koby Stevens, Mckenzie, Brandon White, Rice, Nathan Wright, Pierce, Minchington, Holmes

[WellardSaint]

B: Geary Brown Dempster

HB: Roberton Carlisle Savage

C: Newnes Ross Riewoldt

HF: Billings Bruce Membrey

F: Gresham McCarten Weller

R: Hickey Armitage Steven

IC: Montagna Steele Dunstan Acres

Emerg: Webster, Gilbert, Freeman, Goddard, Longer, Lonie, Sinclair, Koby Stevens, Mckenzie, Brandon White, Rice, Nathan Wright, Pierce, Minchington, Holmes

I would much rather have Webster than Monty.
Looking to the future, and I think Webster is a bit more of a contested ball winner than Monty.
Savage can do the Monty-style breaking of lines with long kicking.
Webster more valuable as a pressure player.
(I'm still foaming at the mouth over the bowling ball strike on 2 Carlscum players )

[jaxons]

B: Geary Brown Dempster

HB: Roberton Carlisle Savage

C: Newnes Ross Riewoldt

HF: Billings Bruce Membrey

F: Gresham McCarten Weller

R: Hickey Armitage Steven

IC: Montagna Steele Dunstan Acres

Emerg: Webster, Gilbert, Freeman, Goddard, Longer, Lonie, Sinclair, Koby Stevens, Mckenzie, Brandon White, Rice, Nathan Wright, Pierce, Minchington, Holmes

I would much rather have Webster than Monty.
Looking to the future, and I think Webster is a bit more of a contested ball winner than Monty.
Savage can do the Monty-style breaking of lines with long kicking.
Webster more valuable as a pressure player.
(I'm still foaming at the mouth over the bowling ball strike on 2 Carlscum players )

Montagna is in our best 22 still Wellard Saint.
I like Webster, McKenzie, Sinclair, Lonie and Brandon White a lot too plus plenty of others in emergencies.
Remember this side assumes no injuries at all, so lots of people named as emergencies will see plenty of senior action next year.
The good news is on paper we seem to bat a lot deeper next year.

[bobmurray]

B: Dylan Roberton, Nathan Brown, Sean Dempster
HB: Jarryn Geary, Jake Carlisle, Leigh Montagna/Shane Savage (can't decide)
C: Nick Riewoldt, Luke Dunstan, Blake Acres
HF: Mav Weller, Josh Bruce, Jack Billings
F: Tim Membrey, Patrick McCartin, Jade Gresham
R: Tom Hickey, Seb Ross, Jack Steven
IC: Jack Steele, Jack Newnes, Koby Stevens, David Armitage

I think Savage makes less mistakes, Montagna is a bit of a clanger king at half back.

[cwrcyn]

The really good thing is that we have about 10 players sitting outside that best 22 who can come in and play a solid role. Lots of competition for those small defender roles.

[mad saint guy]

I think Savage makes less mistakes, Montagna is a bit of a clanger king at half back.

In 2016 Joey averaged 1 clanger every 11.13 disposals and Savage 1 clanger every 11.22 disposals.

[To the top]

And how many more possessions did Montagna have over the season than Savage?

I must admit that I am a long way from "sold" on Savage - lacks a hard edge in the contest and too much of a receiver for mine.

Depending on what (particularly) defenders are looking to do with their disposals, I cut some slack.

There are times when it is the target not the disposer who requires the education.

Montagna was played in defence to check an opponent and nullify them, gain possessions and break lines with those possessions.

Obviously he can be caught out overhead (and, to digress but as a comparison, what really impressed with White in his one game was his ability to put body on body pressure in the contest including particularly overhead so he is very difficult to out mark one on one) but the fact he has re-invented himself to the benefit of team says it all.

All of our veterans we retained have committed to team and that is a credit to each of them - and probably spoke to their characters, characters which saw Richardson retain them in the first instance.

I trust they all enjoy the fruits of their commitment in 2017 because they all deserve it.

[Con Gorozidis]

I see a time where neither Joey or Savage is best 22. 2018.

[Goose is king]

[quote="jaxons"]B: Geary Brown Dempster

HB: Roberton Carlisle Savage

C: Newnes Ross Riewoldt

HF: Billings Bruce Membrey

F: Gresham McCarten Weller

R: Hickey Armitage Steven

IC: Montagna Steele Dunstan Acres

Emerg: Webster, Gilbert, Freeman, Goddard, Longer, Lonie, Sinclair, Koby Stevens, Mckenzie, Brandon White, Rice, Nathan Wright, Pierce, Minchington, Holmes[/quote]



So Fisher has officially been cut?

[jaxons]

B: Geary Brown Dempster

HB: Roberton Carlisle Savage

C: Newnes Ross Riewoldt

HF: Billings Bruce Membrey

F: Gresham McCarten Weller

R: Hickey Armitage Steven

IC: Montagna Steele Dunstan Acres

Emerg: Webster, Gilbert, Freeman, Goddard, Longer, Lonie, Sinclair, Koby Stevens, Mckenzie, Brandon White, Rice, Nathan Wright, Pierce, Minchington, Holmes

So Fisher has officially been cut?

No but personally can't see much of a future for him now.
I also left Lee, Templeton, Shenton and Murdoch out of squad.
Nothing official or ITK about this, just my opinion on the ones that are on a knifes edge of remaining on list.
Remember we have bought in 3 trades, and also a minimum of 2 draftees will be selected so there are only a certain amount of spots on the Senior list.