Jaxons come on down

[Con Gorozidis]

Our pick 47 now out to 50

Compensation for Wells, Delidio and Vickery. More to come?

Starting to doubt thats going to be enough for Steele. Bundle Eli and 50 for a higher pick?

I reckon Longer was our only hope to get a fair pick for Steele around the 25-30 mark.
Next year's second rounder I reckon.

Longer to Tigers seem like an option?

[The OtherThommo]

Cats didn't have a single player under 23yo in their prelim final side. Think about that for a minute.
You remove Selwood and PDF from that side and they are a bottom 4 side. Both these guys played 24 games in 2016. Every single game. Enright played 23.

As much as everyone has heaped praise on the cats for never bottoming out etc etc - i think all they have done is kick the can down the road a few km. The cliff is coming.

What a bunch of fools finishing 2nd on percentage and making a prelim… lolololol

I've also thought they were approaching a big drop, but after finishing 10th last year, looking down and out - they've had a pretty impressive resurgence.

Remove our two best mids and I don't know if we'd win a game.

And, if Carlisle does his thang, and Paddy Mac can get some ground time, we might win a few more, D....as long as we don't lose our 2 best mids, of course.

The Puddies got a huge lift from Dangerfield - yuuuuuuuge.

We knocked 'em off largely because, IMHO (huh!), we got to Danger quickly enough to limit his disposal effectiveness, and his carry.

If you look at their prelim loss numbers, it was Dangerwood then daylight, with Enright and Bartel the next highest gatherers. Their younguns hardly touched it (and the prelim wasn't unusual), and their mid rankers have real flaws (e.g. Motlop, who it looks like they're trying to shift, but not a lot of interest).

I reckon they're very vulnerable.

[Con Gorozidis]

I must say I reckon Deledio is a good player when fit so if the Cats can keep Tuohy Deledio PDF and Selwood on the park they will be ok again.

[lefty]

To get that second round pick it would be great if GWS did...

Our pick 10 and 47 for GWS Jack Steele, pick 15 and 33

then longer and pick 33 to the gold coast for their picks 25 and 29.

this would give us a first round and two second round picks.....we would get steele and lose longer.

Sounds very good to me, I'd be very content with that.
I also believe it is fair and not lob sided either which is super impressive.

If Longer doesn't want to go to the Gold Coast, surely Richmond need a ruck!? Do they not have a round 2 pick or something like Gold Coast? I assume they would get some picks back from Delidio and Vickery...

Heck, even if the Longer part doesn't eventuate, I'm content with trading 10 and 47, to 15 plus 33 plus Steele

[Playon]

Could be anyone Con. If we want 3 picks inside 30 and Steele. Even if we used next years second rounder for Steele

Eg split 10 into 2 picks
trade 48 and a player for another inside 30

Keep 10
Trade out 2 good players for 2 picks inside 30 (or one very good one eg Billings)
Next years second for Steel or
trade 47 and a player for enough to get Steele ( or hope that gws will take 48)

Lots of options but all involve trading out

Not sure that Billy will be the only one or even if he is to be traded

Where do you get the idea that we would even consider trading out Bilings?

We wouldn't get close to what we wanted given where he is at.

Illogical.

It was an example Pav on what we'd need to do to keep 10 , get another 2 players inside 30 and only lose 1 player.

I didn't see the part where we'd consider it.

Currently to get 3 players inside 30, if we were to split 10
10 = 1395 points
would end up something like pic 26 which is worth 729 point and pick 28 or 29
pick 26 =729
plus pick 29 = 653
= 1382 points

Then we need all the planets to line up for one club to have both those picks..

Then we still need to get our 3rd inside 30 and pay for Steele

Our Small forwards wont get it done, Longer wont be going anywhere at this stage,so we'd probably have to trade out a half bank flanker or give up on the idea.

[longtimesaint]

Could be anyone Con. If we want 3 picks inside 30 and Steele. Even if we used next years second rounder for Steele

Eg split 10 into 2 picks
trade 48 and a player for another inside 30

Keep 10
Trade out 2 good players for 2 picks inside 30 (or one very good one eg Billings)
Next years second for Steel or
trade 47 and a player for enough to get Steele ( or hope that gws will take 48)

Lots of options but all involve trading out

Not sure that Billy will be the only one or even if he is to be traded

Where do you get the idea that we would even consider trading out Bilings?

We wouldn't get close to what we wanted given where he is at.

Illogical.

It was an example Pav on what we'd need to do to keep 10 , get another 2 players inside 30 and only lose 1 player.

I didn't see the part where we'd consider it.

Currently to get 3 players inside 30, if we were to split 10
10 = 1395 points
would end up something like pic 26 which is worth 729 point and pick 28 or 29
pick 26 =729
plus pick 29 = 653
= 1382 points

Then we need all the planets to line up for one club to have both those picks..

Then we still need to get our 3rd inside 30 and pay for Steele

Our Small forwards wont get it done, Longer wont be going anywhere at this stage,so we'd probably have to trade out a half bank flanker or give up on the idea.

I would be happy keeping pick 10 as it's going to be a strong draft.
With Steele and the addition of Carlisle and hopefully Freeman, we should be stronger.
Also you would expect continued improvement in Gresham, Acres and DMac.
I would not be happy trading someone like Billings for a draft pick who may not be as good.
there is a lot to be said for a steady build.

[ace]

Yes but that is why we became lousey as our drafting of kids in the last half of GT's Reign until recently was crap.

It was gold standard under Lyon was it?

If it was ok for Lyon to be recruiting Pattison, Polo, Jesse Smith, Gamble, etc... because we were in our 'window', then you can use the same argument for GT. But...at least from GT's last few years we got Gwilt (who provided good service) and we recruited Gilbo, Geary, and Armo. GT's legacy lives on and helped lay the foundations of 09/10 and to bind the playing group under future coaches. GT's legacy also lives on with our current leaders.

If you want to see what crap drafting really looks like, have a look at the players Saints brought into the club under Lyon. Out of all the recruits and trades for end of 2010 the only bloke still in the AFL system is Jamie Cripps. And we got no value out of him because Lyon was not into playing youth. Same reason we lost Tom Lynch from the 2008 intake and got no value out of him.

At a time when we were playing off in consecutive grand finals and you'd think we'd be high on the list of destination clubs, Lyon's failure to recruit quality and retain quality saw us shoot straight to the bottom of the ladder. Great legacy.

Salary Cap
Players especially the likes of Luke Ball offered too much and accepted too much.
Should expel any player you goes to Connors as their player agent.

[saintsRrising]

Well it seems like the available "big fish" for 2016 have all not named the Saints. Or have I missed someone. I am not counting Motlop, as it seems no one wants him.

Steele is a handy pick up and more so at the mooted price.

Other clubs seem to have gone cold on Longer though, and so I am not sure who could now be traded for more picks inside 30. 10 could be split for 2 later picks. But that still leaves us a pick short.

I am fairly sure we will land a KPD as Bains mentiond it directly today, and the drums still keep beating interest. Just remains to be seen whether it is a young GWS fringe backman, or someone prised free of the Lions etc or whether it is more of an older player like the rumoured Nathan Brown (who at least has the advantage of being a FA and hence no trade cost).

Trade period has a while to go, but Day One certainly had a bunch of players flagging their preferred new homes.

[dragit]

I must say I reckon Deledio is a good player when fit so if the Cats can keep Tuohy Deledio PDF and Selwood on the park they will be ok again.

That's the thing, if you can stay successful, you can keep attracting stars...

[ace]

Cats didn't have a single player under 23yo in their prelim final side. Think about that for a minute.
You remove Selwood and PDF from that side and they are a bottom 4 side. Both these guys played 24 games in 2016. Every single game. Enright played 23.

As much as everyone has heaped praise on the cats for never bottoming out etc etc - i think all they have done is kick the can down the road a few km. The cliff is coming.

What a bunch of fools finishing 2nd on percentage and making a prelim… lolololol

I've also thought they were approaching a big drop, but after finishing 10th last year, looking down and out - they've had a pretty impressive resurgence.

Remove our two best mids and I don't know if we'd win a game.

And, if Carlisle does his thang, and Paddy Mac can get some ground time, we might win a few more, D....as long as we don't lose our 2 best mids, of course.

The Puddies got a huge lift from Dangerfield - yuuuuuuuge.

We knocked 'em off largely because, IMHO (huh!), we got to Danger quickly enough to limit his disposal effectiveness, and his carry.

If you look at their prelim loss numbers, it was Dangerwood then daylight, with Enright and Bartel the next highest gatherers. Their younguns hardly touched it (and the prelim wasn't unusual), and their mid rankers have real flaws (e.g. Motlop, who it looks like they're trying to shift, but not a lot of interest).

I reckon they're very vulnerable.

And Donald Trump wants to play with them.

[bigred]

Clubs will be asking about Longer.

Just after they ask about Hickey.

[ace]

Wells, Delidio, Vickery all going free agent.

I can't see any of them hurting our first round pick No 10.
Wells could be 2nd round start or mid or even start 3rd round.
Delidio and Vickery may even slip to mid 3rd round.

That means our pick 46 which became 47 when Brisbane got a priority pick at the end of round 1 will slip to pick 50.
Means its value once 331 then 316 falls to 273 points

UPDATE
Ty Vickery compensation to Richmond mid 2nd round pick 26

[Playon]

Our pick 47 now out to 50

Compensation for Wells, Delidio and Vickery. More to come?

Starting to doubt thats going to be enough for Steele. Bundle Eli and 50 for a higher pick?

I reckon Longer was our only hope to get a fair pick for Steele around the 25-30 mark.
Next year's second rounder I reckon.

Longer to Tigers seem like an option?

I think Longer is staying but someone else may be going, Bains saying were hoping to get back into the second round and then there the matter if we could upgrade 50

[jays]

lol vickery $500,000 wow

[Playon]

If you missed it

Bains on trade radio today

https://omny.fm/shows/trade-radio/ameet ... de-radio-1

[mullet]

lol vickery $500,000 wow

Vickery will be a star with the hawks. Not sure he is worth 500000 though. He was Richmonds whipping boy and unfairly I think. Hardwick was trying to make J Riewoldt into Nick Riewoldt and he just couldnt cut it. Doesnt have the tank, the constant mucking around of the forward line , meant poor old Ty copped the blame. But he had no idea where he was supposed to be playing.

The hawks will be laughing their heads off.

[dragit]

Wells, Delidio, Vickery all going free agent.

Deledio isn't a free agent.

[Playon]

I would be happy keeping pick 10 as it's going to be a strong draft.
With Steele and the addition of Carlisle and hopefully Freeman, we should be stronger.
Also you would expect continued improvement in Gresham, Acres and DMac.
I would not be happy trading someone like Billings for a draft pick who may not be as good.
there is a lot to be said for a steady build.

Well the way I see it is we keep 10

Billings wont be on the table, its hard enough to get quality without trading it out..

Another player to be traded for a second rounder and an upgrade of pick 50?

Eli to Brisbane for 51 a possibility

Next years second for Steele

Nathan Brown as a DFA

Or slightly jumbled up..

Any improvements is a bonus

[Wombat15]

Any truth to the rumour that we made a last ditch offer to tom Mitchell? this comes via a tweet from Troy Hallam.

[saintsRrising]

Any truth to the rumour that we made a last ditch offer to tom Mitchell? this comes via a tweet from Troy Hallam.

It was said earlier that the Saints were approaching him again, but that he was likely to be a Hawk if he left the Swans.

[DownAtTheJunction]

You'd have to think that it'd be tough for the Hawks to get both Mitchell and O'Meara. I expect they will, but it must be a tight thing. So pushing our Pick 10 at Sydney for Mitchell would make sense. If nothing else it potentially pumps up the price the Hawks have to pay. And pay they will. But should the cost become too difficult, then O'Meara (rather than Mitchell) might not be viable - Mitchell is far easier to get. It's conceivable that O'Meara may come back into the trading room.

[saynta]

Wells, Delidio, Vickery all going free agent.

I can't see any of them hurting our first round pick No 10.
Wells could be 2nd round start or mid or even start 3rd round.
Delidio and Vickery may even slip to mid 3rd round.

That means our pick 46 which became 47 when Brisbane got a priority pick at the end of round 1 will slip to pick 50.
Means its value once 331 then 316 falls to 273 points

UPDATE
Ty Vickery compensation to Richmond mid 2nd round pick 26

[ace]

You'd have to think that it'd be tough for the Hawks to get both Mitchell and O'Meara. I expect they will, but it must be a tight thing. So pushing our Pick 10 at Sydney for Mitchell would make sense. If nothing else it potentially pumps up the price the Hawks have to pay. And pay they will. But should the cost become too difficult, then O'Meara (rather than Mitchell) might not be viable - Mitchell is far easier to get. It's conceivable that O'Meara may come back into the trading room.

I hope we screw Hawthorn up big time in retaliation for what Clarkson did to us in our bid for Carlisle.

[damienc]

It might be nice for our ITKs to give us a brief update on proceedings.

Plenty happening on trade day 1 but nothing at all involving St Kilda that we know of or has been said publicly. Not even rumour or speculation.

Bains had nothing to say on trade radio even though he was interviewed.

Someone must know something. A bit of caring and sharing might be in order.

[The Recruit]

You'd have to think that it'd be tough for the Hawks to get both Mitchell and O'Meara. I expect they will, but it must be a tight thing. So pushing our Pick 10 at Sydney for Mitchell would make sense. If nothing else it potentially pumps up the price the Hawks have to pay. And pay they will. But should the cost become too difficult, then O'Meara (rather than Mitchell) might not be viable - Mitchell is far easier to get. It's conceivable that O'Meara may come back into the trading room.

I hope we screw Hawthorn up big time in retaliation for what Clarkson did to us in our bid for Carlisle.

That pissed me off.....jerk..last ditch effort thinking visit from him would change Carlisle mind...I would be ropable if i was richo..