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I knew a couple of boxers who had the goods, but couldn't go further- as soon as they got a decent tap on the head, they went to the floor- "glass jaw", whereas other guys could get clobbered ,and never really lost their feet...mind you it all catches up years later.prwilkinson wrote:Yeah it's a concern. If he were a boxer you'd say he had a chin made out of glass.
A/ and you know he suffers no lingering effects because...CURLY wrote:McCartin suffers no lingering effects and hasn't been getting follow up headaches. The guys on Triple M all commented that it's because we are so over cautious that he even gets taken off.Impatient Sainter wrote:Sounds like the club are feeding the media tripe again? If you read what WW has provided there is scientific evidence indicating that diabetes does heighten the affects of head knocks/concussion. Truly concerning that it may cause the premature end to another players career?
Sorry to interject but his manager, Scott Lucas, was on radio yesterday and confirmed he's had no lingering effects.terry smith rules wrote:A/ and you know he suffers no lingering effects because...CURLY wrote:McCartin suffers no lingering effects and hasn't been getting follow up headaches. The guys on Triple M all commented that it's because we are so over cautious that he even gets taken off.Impatient Sainter wrote:Sounds like the club are feeding the media tripe again? If you read what WW has provided there is scientific evidence indicating that diabetes does heighten the affects of head knocks/concussion. Truly concerning that it may cause the premature end to another players career?
The manager of Paddy McCartin, Scott Lucas says after his third concussion of the year yesterday against the Gold Coast further investigations will need to be carried out by the Saints.
He admits a couple of the knocks in-particular haven’t been heavy, which does make it slightly concerning.
“I think when you’ve had three and a couple of the knocks haven’t looked particularly nasty in terms of what you would imagine from a concussion, clearly St Kilda will investigate, because his welfare is paramount,” Lucas told SEN Radio.
“Certainly I think for any player you can substitute Paddy’s name for any player (and) when you’ve had three in a season you want to make sure you’re doing a full investigation just to assess that.
“We’ll be there to support him and the club in getting that.”
McCartin only just returned from a concussion suffered against Adelaide prior to the bye and Lucas says he passed all the tests with flying colours.
However, unlike other players who have had numerous knocks he has pulled up very well, particularly as others have felt symptoms for weeks after.
“He a couple of weeks ago after the Adelaide game had all the tests, fine, full clearance,” he said.
“What’s been interesting is that he’s pulled up very well. It’s bad that he’s got the knocks, but he’s pulled up very well from them, as opposed to some players that have had a knock and felt the after affects for two or three weeks.
“I think each case is unique in a sense, but more broadly I think clubs are doing a great job in monitoring players and the welfare of players.
“The times when players could talk their way into coming back on has ceased many years ago.”
He isn’t sure whether by having a longer break after a head knock it makes a discernible difference, but does admit players who have several concussions appear to be more susceptible.
“This has no science, it’s only my opinion in observing the game that a length of time I don’t think makes any difference,” said Lucas.
“But, I do believe and we’ve seen numbers of players where they get a couple, they do seem more prone to further ones.
“It just seems they’re more susceptible to it.”
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Is he being mollycoddled a bit do you think? I guess the current thinking is that you have to be extremely careful with concussions and I get that. Imagine how many matches Riewoldt would have missed if he had a week off for every concussion. Twelve or 15 over a career I'd guess.CURLY wrote:
McCartin suffers no lingering effects and hasn't been getting follow up headaches. The guys on Triple M all commented that it's because we are so over cautious that he even gets taken off.
If helmets don't help with concussion then why do the NFL players wear them? Surely they have to help a little!4ever_saint wrote:There are prototype NFL helmets that are said to absorb the impact of a hit to the head, protecting the brain from "bouncing" as you say...though I doubt if we have anything like that in Australia (nor anything suited to playing AFL as opposed to NFL)...8856brother wrote:Helmets and head gear offer no help with concussion. Helps with facial injuries. Brain bouncing around inside the scull is the problem.
Even if the helmet can absorb *some* of the impact for him, it's worth a try. While there's no conclusive proof it'll help...at this stage, and with his career (and long-term health) on the line, surely it can't hurt to try. Though, with that said, I'm sure the medico's will know best.
Those are big calls from the club. How do they know there are no lingering effects? Not yet, anyway. I know they have to say the right things to avoid panic, but in all honesty, we won't know for some time what the effects might be. Best to put him in cotton wool for the time being, from what I've read on the subject. Truth is, even with all the research that's being done and has been done in this area, no one can definitively say what the outcomes of these types of injuries will be. Each one is specific to the individual. As far as the brain chemistry goes, who knows? Is Paddy a severe diabetic, or is his condition relatively minor? Does he need lots of insulin? How quickly does his body metabolise sugars once he has the correct amount of insulin in his system? All these factors will determine to what extent a trauma to his brain will affect him. I just hope the boy will be alright.bigcarl wrote:Is he being mollycoddled a bit do you think? I guess the current thinking is that you have to be extremely careful with concussions and I get that. Imagine how many matches Riewoldt would have missed if he had a week off for every concussion. Twelve or 15 over a career I'd guess.CURLY wrote:
McCartin suffers no lingering effects and hasn't been getting follow up headaches. The guys on Triple M all commented that it's because we are so over cautious that he even gets taken off.
Glad to hear it from the club that the concussions are not diabetes related and nor are there any lingering effects. That gives me hope for Paddy's future
There's some argument to say it might be worse in some ways, as it limits peripheral vision (potentially leading to more blind side hits), and players drive with their head when running as it's the hardest bit of equipment they have on, which leads to more head clashes and neck injuries. I don't think it's a solution for the AFL league as a whole to wear helmets, but the research in this area by the NFL hopefully translates to contact sports worldwide.Jacks Back wrote:If helmets don't help with concussion then why do the NFL players wear them? Surely they have to help a little!4ever_saint wrote:There are prototype NFL helmets that are said to absorb the impact of a hit to the head, protecting the brain from "bouncing" as you say...though I doubt if we have anything like that in Australia (nor anything suited to playing AFL as opposed to NFL)...8856brother wrote:Helmets and head gear offer no help with concussion. Helps with facial injuries. Brain bouncing around inside the scull is the problem.
Even if the helmet can absorb *some* of the impact for him, it's worth a try. While there's no conclusive proof it'll help...at this stage, and with his career (and long-term health) on the line, surely it can't hurt to try. Though, with that said, I'm sure the medico's will know best.
Same problem as all our other players then - brain's too small.8856brother wrote:Helmets and head gear offer no help with concussion. Helps with facial injuries. Brain bouncing around inside the scull is the problem.
Plus One, well said, the game is played at breakneck speed as well!!!!!Scollop wrote:Accidents occur when players are ruthless and not afraid to attack the footy. I don't think it's a coincidence that severe injuries occur when your team is down and desperate acts are required.
You can't begrudge Newnes or Membrey for their effort. It's a testament to the courage of guys like Newnes, Membrey and especially Paddy that they'll put their body on the line for the sake of their team.
Remember when Goose broke his leg? We were behind on the scoreboard against the Swans and most of the team were just going through the motions. I was proud of Goose's effort and admired his courage.
People used to hang it on Kozi when he used to crash into Rooy in the forward line but that's because he also only had eyes for the ball.
Good point, scollop (and stonecold for seconding it). Ruthless is good - but all I'm saying, I guess, is sometimes you need to be smart as well - and I think that applied here, one both occasions.Scollop wrote:Accidents occur when players are ruthless and not afraid to attack the footy. I don't think it's a coincidence that severe injuries occur when your team is down and desperate acts are required.
You can't begrudge Newnes or Membrey for their effort. It's a testament to the courage of guys like Newnes, Membrey and especially Paddy that they'll put their body on the line for the sake of their team.
Remember when Goose broke his leg? We were behind on the scoreboard against the Swans and most of the team were just going through the motions. I was proud of Goose's effort and admired his courage.
People used to hang it on Kozi when he used to crash into Rooy in the forward line but that's because he also only had eyes for the ball.
Yeah Burkey wore a helmet after 1991. That cheap shot laid on him by the dirty dog Ablett Sr in the elimination final was why he opted for it in the end. The helmet may have sunstantially prolonged his playing career. Aside from the Ablett cheap shot, Burkey was prone to concussion because of the way he played. Even though Paddy is a forward, it seems he puts his body (and head) on the line much like Burke.borderbarry wrote:I would not panic, but I would give him a week off and make him wear a helmet for the rest of the year. The little bloke from Footscray wears one every week and to my knowledge has never had a concussion. Burkey wore one for may matches, Phil Narkle wore one. No disgrace. I am sure it would lift his confidence for a start.
