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HitTheBoundary wrote:I can see where Dragit is coming from.
And that's not blaming the victim, Martin is a nutter and should get punished.
But sometimes it's best not to approach a nutter....
He's not a nutter.
He's a cossetted man-child brat who was being a loud twat in a nice restaurant on a nice strip in a nice suburb and was asked to calm down by someone sitting near him, so he physically threatened to kill her.
I would be amazed if it gets to any charges being laid. Unless she was determined to press charges the police would tend not to pursue the matter. Threatening to kill someone is reasonably serious but its a huge investment in already over-stretched resources to pursue this sort of investigation. Seeing this is out in the open, his reputation is trashed (crossed the line into cowardly trash), should cop a huge whack from Richmond/AFL including hefty suspension, she may well have accepted his apology with Martin contributing to her favourite charity, club maybe giving her and family some memberships etc - it will most probably get resolved outside the police. The AFL is a psuedo-authority that levels it own justice (according to its own rules).
asaint wrote:Disgraceful, intimidating,aggressive behaviour. To suggest that the lady was in any way to blame is not acceptable.
He threatened her ffs, there are no excuses.
I'm not saying she is to blame, but I think confronting a guy who you suspect to be coked up and out of control drunk is a poor decision. Then when he reacts angrily, suggesting that you are going to do the thing that will piss him off most by ringing the club?
The guy is a nutcase, just call the police or security… or leave the venue as I have done many times when someone is ruining the vibe.
There's no excuses for Martin's behavior, but at the same time I would be pretty disappointed if one of my kids confronted someone in that state.
Disappointed? I'd be proud. Bloody gutsy thing to do. She was standing up for what is right and letting this knob know that his behaviour is completely unacceptable. If more people did this, and more people backed up the ones who did it, we'd have a far better society. Slinking out the door is probably the smart move, but I applaud her for challenging him. If she hadn't, then this tool would have got away with his rubbish behaviour and never get held to account.
Having said that - as a bloke I probably wouldn;t have done the same thing. To be honest Dusty would have been far more likely to belt a bloke than threaten him. Not sure this lady should be criticised for anything. The manager should have cut him off far earlier and probably realised as much.
Markp, police cannot do much without a victim. Victim needs to officially report it before they act for this type of offence. The victim has to be in fear and convey that to the courts for Dusty to be charged - hard to do if she hasn't reported it.
If you see this guy
out somewhere aggressive, intoxicated and disruptive… regardless of gender, just call a professional.
Same goes if you see come across a snake or a bomb.
Of course his outrageous actions are not her fault, but confronting an aggressive intoxicated person is a bad idea in my opinion, not sure why those two concepts have to be mutually exclusive.
dragit wrote:
Of course his outrageous actions are not her fault, but confronting an aggressive intoxicated person is a bad idea in my opinion, not sure why those two concepts have to be mutually exclusive.
Confronting someone who's pissed may not be so wise, but if I was having a nice dinner with a friend in a nice restaurant and some twat was spoiling it for everyone else there by being an obnoxious knobhead, I'd say something to try and get him to STFU.
dragit wrote:If you see this guy
out somewhere aggressive, intoxicated and disruptive… regardless of gender, just call a professional.
Same goes if you see come across a snake or a bomb.
Of course his outrageous actions are not her fault, but confronting an aggressive intoxicated person is a bad idea in my opinion, not sure why those two concepts have to be mutually exclusive.
The star Richmond 24-year-old has been in hot water before.
August 27, 2015
The Tigers' Dustin Martin gestures to Magpie fans after a goal in August. Photo: Getty Images
Fined $2000 for delivering a "two-finger salute" to Collingwood fans the previous weekend during Richmond's 91-point demolition of the Magpies.
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September 18, 2014
Suspended from driving for two months and fined $750 for driving while suspended. The initial suspension was imposed for running a red light in 2013.
September 11, 2013
Hit with a $2000 suspended fine by the AFL for making a handcuffs gesture after kicking a goal during Richmond's elimination final loss to Carlton.
July 4, 2012
Suspended for two weeks by Richmond for sleeping in the previous morning and failing to attend a training session. Martin admitted he had taken sleeping tablets combined with alcohol the night before the training session.
March 2013 – A neighbor of Bieber’s confronted the pop icon about speeding down the streets in his Ferrari. Bieber allegedly spit in the neighbor’s face in retaliation. He was exonerated of any criminal wrongdoing in October.
Later that month, Bieber would run into trouble with German customs officials, who refused to let his pet monkey into the country due to the lack of necessary documentation. The monkey was never returned to Bieber.
May 2013 – Keyshawn Johnson, a former NFL Wide Receiver who owns a home nearby Bieber, confronted the singer after he caught him speeding while Johnson’s kids were playing outside.
June 2013 — A paparazzo sued Bieber for assaulting him at a mall in Calabasas, Calif.
July 2013 – On July 18 an Ohio DJ named Addison Ulhaq filed a police report pertaining to a spitting incident. Ulhaq claimed Justin Bieber spat in his face inside a nightclub in Columbus. Bieber was not charged.
The spit hit the fan again for Bieber later that month, when he was caught expectorating on a crowd gathered outside his hotel in Toronto, Canada on July 25. Although spitting is considered a criminal offense in some cases in Toronto, Bieber was not charged with anything.
November 2013 – He was questioned by Brazilian police for drawing graffiti on an old hotel wall. Bieber claimed that he had received permission to tag the wall beforehand. Bieber was not formally charged.
He was also caught leaving a brothel in Brazil in that same month, according to the New York Post.
January 2014 – The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Dept. searched Bieber’s house and cell phone while investigating an incident of vandalism that occurred on the night of Jan. 9. Bieber’s neighbor claimed he saw Bieber throwing eggs at his house. Bieber has not been charged, but the investigation is ongoing.
Apparently the woman didn't want to go to the media because she was told of Martins associates and she would be threatened. Her employer encouraged her to do so.
So the woman's life was threatened for asking someone to calm down, then was scared because of the consequences of reporting it.
But some on this thread blame her. Always the woman's fault. Maybe if she had a short dress on and he sexual assaulted her, it would be OK because "she was asking for it".
Some of you people need to get your head out of your arses
Problem with confronting him is she may not have known if he was simply just pissed or was on drugs also. That's where it can get a bit dicey and dangerous.
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HitTheBoundary wrote:I can see where Dragit is coming from.
And that's not blaming the victim, Martin is a nutter and should get punished.
But sometimes it's best not to approach a nutter....
He's not a nutter.
He's a cossetted man-child brat who was being a loud twat in a nice restaurant on a nice strip in a nice suburb and was asked to calm down by someone sitting near him, so he physically threatened to kill her.
Bunk_Moreland wrote:But some on this thread blame her.
No, I'm pretty sure that not one person is suggesting that she is to blame.
Bunk_Moreland wrote:Some of you people need to get your head out of your arses
Yes they should, how's them farts smelling?
BS dragit, you and others were suggesting that somehow she was responsible because she "confronted" Martin.
Now I see nowhere where she confronted him. Reportedly she asked him to calm down, not an unreasonable request when someone is making loud noises in a restaurant.
Because she asked for a member of society to be courteous and have common decency and respect others, she has her life threatened but she somehow brought this on herself.
Yeah good one. With these Neanderthal attitudes no wonder we have had 80 women murdered in domestic violence this year alone in Australia.
I make no apologies for posting what I posted, if you think it applies to you, that's your responsibility.
markp wrote:At least as a woman in victoria she knows she could feel safe and confident of being treated seriously and with respect going to the police.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to unwrap and read today's newspapers....
markp wrote:At least as a woman in victoria she knows she could feel safe and confident of being treated seriously and with respect going to the police.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to unwrap and read today's newspapers....
"The damning review of the culture inside Victoria Police shows female members – as well as gay and lesbian employees – work in an entrenched culture of sexual harassment and discrimination."
I think someone somewhere in this thread was asking another poster if he thought the police were incompetent. Short answer . f*** yes.
