Union told Jake Carlisle's manager not to tell Saints

[Devilhead]

Can't wait to see you guys cheering him when he gets his first possession

I'll definitely be one of those cheering him on. He hasn't hurt anyone else and hopefully he has learned a valuable life lesson. It may make him a lot more focused.

You need a brain to focus

[Devilhead]

Once again a precedent will be set and unfortunately once again we just so happened to be the guinea pigs

[The Fireman]

Can't wait to see you guys cheering him when he gets his first possession

I'll definitely be one of those cheering him on. He hasn't hurt anyone else and hopefully he has learned a valuable life lesson. It may make him a lot more focused.

You need a brain to focus

so if he turns out to be a valuable attribute ????? I may bookmark this if thats ok with you.

[Jacks Back]

Can't wait to see you guys cheering him when he gets his first possession

I'll definitely be one of those cheering him on. He hasn't hurt anyone else and hopefully he has learned a valuable life lesson. It may make him a lot more focused.

You need a brain to focus

Maybe his nickname could be Scarecrow - he didn't have a brain either.

[Devilhead]

Can't wait to see you guys cheering him when he gets his first possession

I'll definitely be one of those cheering him on. He hasn't hurt anyone else and hopefully he has learned a valuable life lesson. It may make him a lot more focused.

You need a brain to focus

so if he turns out to be a valuable attribute ????? I may bookmark this if thats ok with you.

You actually think that i would not want him to become a valuable attribute??

All I have done is emphasised his shortcomings and there is probably no need for me to do it because they are so completely evident

We are banking on this guy to anchor our defence - a player who has plenty of baggage and a history of inconsistency and mental fragility

I would go as far to say that I think you have rocks in your head if you think Carlisle is just going to waltz in and make this magical difference to our team - there is no doubt when he puts his mind to it he can be a very good player but right now he is coming from rock bottom with regards to respect - the guy practically took a fair size dump in our mouths and it seems you are prepared to forgive him no questions asked - well not me!!

Until he cares to show a rock solid commitment to our club in terms of playing form and gratitude will I start to ease the contempt I currently have for this douchebag.

I really do hope he can pull it together but I wont be holding my breath

[Wayne42]

Can't wait to see you guys cheering him when he gets his first possession

I'll definitely be one of those cheering him on. He hasn't hurt anyone else and hopefully he has learned a valuable life lesson. It may make him a lot more focused.

You need a brain to focus

so if he turns out to be a valuable attribute ????? I may bookmark this if thats ok with you.

You actually think that i would not want him to become a valuable attribute??

All I have done is emphasised his shortcomings and there is probably no need for me to do it because they are so completely evident

We are banking on this guy to anchor our defence - a player who has plenty of baggage and a history of inconsistency and mental fragility

I would go as far to say that I think you have rocks in your head if you think Carlisle is just going to waltz in and make this magical difference to our team - there is no doubt when he puts his mind to it he can be a very good player but right now he is coming from rock bottom with regards to respect - the guy practically took a fair size dump in our mouths and it seems you are prepared to forgive him no questions asked - well not me!!

Until he cares to show a rock solid commitment to our club in terms of playing form and gratitude will I start to ease the contempt I currently have for this douchebag.

I really do hope he can pull it together but I wont be holding my breath

We should cease to trade with Essendope from here on in. They are scum, we have been burnt twice. That should be enough.

[Devilhead]

We should cease to trade with Essendope from here on in. They are scum, we have been burnt twice. That should be enough.

Why we ever paid what we did for an inconsistent, troubled flaky individual truly has me stumped

Its seems we were dazzled, captivated and hypnotised by a few stellar games??

Is there to more to Carlisle than we know?? Maybe - but the more we have seen so far has not been good

I have no doubt Essendon knew exactly what they were getting rid of just as we should know our players inside out - ie: Spencer White's issues - but Essendon waited and waited on a dodgy wicket, played a straight bat until we finally gave them a pleasant handshake let them walk not out to the pavilion - when really we should have had them out first ball

St Kilda owe nothing to no team - we are a continual whipping boy - just one day I would love to see us become the bad guy and reem some other team - sure it would a foul taste in mouth of some opposition clubs but why give a rats arse when they don't

If our club wants to go to the top then they have to have to be prepared to show absolute no mercy whether it be on the field or in the trading room

We need to be feared and loathed cause then finally we might actually gain some god damn respect

[CQ SAINT]

Hahaha! This all pretty laughable. Essendon aren't to blame and can't be blamed.

If you believe everything you read in this thread Carlisle has no brains, a drug addiction and can barely tie his shoe laces but also has a genius evil streak which concocted this whole plot to get the most he could from us and then screw us over all in one action. FFs make up your mind. I'm counting on him not being too bright and not taking all of this too seriously.

His manager is a player manager and if he got me the deal Carlisle got then I'd reckon he did pretty well. It's no secret these types aren't the easiest to deal with but I'm sure he wasn't trying to screw us and didn't plot with Carlisle and Channel 9 just to make all this happen.

If you want to read more look out for my next book '50 shades of Red, White and Black' in the next thread about Jake and what he has done.

If you stop bringing it up it will cease to exist. Jake has a 4 year contract with St.Kilda. We have pick 14 to look forward to in the draft and our team is already better for what has happened.

oh yeah we are delisting and then rookieing Farren Ray. Please can everyone get angry about that instead. I bet St.kilda did that just to take your mind off Jake but your all too obsessed to bite. Hehehehe!!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling....

[Devilhead]

Hahaha! This all pretty laughable. Essendon aren't to blame and can't be blamed.

If you believe everything you read in this thread Carlisle has no brains, a drug addiction and can barely tie his shoe laces but also has a genius evil streak which concocted this whole plot to get the most he could from us and then screw us over all in one action. FFs make up your mind. I'm counting on him not being too bright and not taking all of this too seriously.

His manager is a player manager and if he got me the deal Carlisle got then I'd reckon he did pretty well. It's no secret these types aren't the easiest to deal with but I'm sure he wasn't trying to screw us and didn't plot with Carlisle and Channel 9 just to make all this happen.

If you want to read more look out for my next book '50 shades of Red, White and Black' in the next thread about Jake and what he has done.

If you stop bringing it up it will cease to exist. Jake has a 4 year contract with St.Kilda. We have pick 14 to look forward to in the draft and our team is already better for what has happened.

oh yeah we are delisting and then rookieing Farren Ray. Please can everyone get angry about that instead. I bet St.kilda did that just to take your mind off Jake but your all too obsessed to bite. Hehehehe!!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling....

Essendon arent to blame at all and kudos to them for getting the best deal they could by trading Carlisle - hope we are this cunning if ever we try and offload a disruptive player

And no the sky is not falling - what should be falling though is every St kilda's supporters respect for Carlisle with regard to the embarrasing and awkward position he put our club in

You said it youself whereby you dont think Carlisle would be taking this all too seriously and if he isnt well therein lies the problem because what would that say about his regard and respect for our club going forward

And no it wont cease to exist if we supporters top talking about it because that will only happen once Carlisle steps up and plays consistently good football and keeps his friggin nose, head and feet clean

He's now coming from a long long way back and I hope the coaches and his new team mates dont make it easy for him like some supporters in here seem happy to do

[White Winmar]

Hahaha! This all pretty laughable. Essendon aren't to blame and can't be blamed.

If you believe everything you read in this thread Carlisle has no brains, a drug addiction and can barely tie his shoe laces but also has a genius evil streak which concocted this whole plot to get the most he could from us and then screw us over all in one action. FFs make up your mind. I'm counting on him not being too bright and not taking all of this too seriously.

His manager is a player manager and if he got me the deal Carlisle got then I'd reckon he did pretty well. It's no secret these types aren't the easiest to deal with but I'm sure he wasn't trying to screw us and didn't plot with Carlisle and Channel 9 just to make all this happen.

If you want to read more look out for my next book '50 shades of Red, White and Black' in the next thread about Jake and what he has done.

If you stop bringing it up it will cease to exist. Jake has a 4 year contract with St.Kilda. We have pick 14 to look forward to in the draft and our team is already better for what has happened.

oh yeah we are delisting and then rookieing Farren Ray. Please can everyone get angry about that instead. I bet St.kilda did that just to take your mind off Jake but your all too obsessed to bite. Hehehehe!!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling....

Well played, sir! A small oasis of sanity in a desert of hysteria and hyperbole.

[ripplug66]

Once again a precedent will be set and unfortunately once again we just so happened to be the guinea pigs

The precedent would have somehow for us to reneg on the deal. To me it looks like a normal trade for a dumb footballer. Nothing we can do once he is ours.

[whiskers3614]

We should cease to trade with Essendope from here on in. They are scum, we have been burnt twice. That should be enough.

Why we ever paid what we did for an inconsistent, troubled flaky individual truly has me stumped

Its seems we were dazzled, captivated and hypnotised by a few stellar games??

Is there to more to Carlisle than we know?? Maybe - but the more we have seen so far has not been good

I have no doubt Essendon knew exactly what they were getting rid of just as we should know our players inside out - ie: Spencer White's issues - but Essendon waited and waited on a dodgy wicket, played a straight bat until we finally gave them a pleasant handshake let them walk not out to the pavilion - when really we should have had them out first ball

St Kilda owe nothing to no team - we are a continual whipping boy - just one day I would love to see us become the bad guy and reem some other team - sure it would a foul taste in mouth of some opposition clubs but why give a rats arse when they don't

If our club wants to go to the top then they have to have to be prepared to show absolute no mercy whether it be on the field or in the trading room

We need to be feared and loathed cause then finally we might actually gain some god damn respect

Seems like when our recruiters identify a need all common sense and value for money goes out the window!
Maybe I will give it a name for future trading periods (Lovett-Carlisle syndrome)
Seeing as we're not so good at sorting the chaff from the wheat I suggest we implement a no KNOWN IDIOTS policy,

[SaintPav]

Hahaha! This all pretty laughable. Essendon aren't to blame and can't be blamed.

If you believe everything you read in this thread Carlisle has no brains, a drug addiction and can barely tie his shoe laces but also has a genius evil streak which concocted this whole plot to get the most he could from us and then screw us over all in one action. FFs make up your mind. I'm counting on him not being too bright and not taking all of this too seriously.

His manager is a player manager and if he got me the deal Carlisle got then I'd reckon he did pretty well. It's no secret these types aren't the easiest to deal with but I'm sure he wasn't trying to screw us and didn't plot with Carlisle and Channel 9 just to make all this happen.

If you want to read more look out for my next book '50 shades of Red, White and Black' in the next thread about Jake and what he has done.

If you stop bringing it up it will cease to exist. Jake has a 4 year contract with St.Kilda. We have pick 14 to look forward to in the draft and our team is already better for what has happened.

oh yeah we are delisting and then rookieing Farren Ray. Please can everyone get angry about that instead. I bet St.kilda did that just to take your mind off Jake but your all too obsessed to bite. Hehehehe!!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling....

So is Jake a recreational user or an addict?

How can anyone really know.

[BigMart]

What happens when recruiters become narrow in there focus... And try to get specific.

Pace.. Lovett.. Key Def... Carlisle
It also seems we are now emphasising kicking at this years draft... (When surely you just get the best player?)

In recruiting, and drafting I reckon you need an open mind and other options... And never be desperate to get a deal done.

(Not sure why Tomlinson wasn't another option?)

[ripplug66]

What happens when recruiters become narrow in there focus... And try to get specific.

Pace.. Lovett.. Key Def... Carlisle
It also seems we are now emphasising kicking at this years draft... (When surely you just get the best player?)

In recruiting, and drafting I reckon you need an open mind and other options... And never be desperate to get a deal done.

(Not sure why Tomlinson wasn't another option?)

Probably because he didn't leave where he was playing. Anyway Carlisle will be very good for us. No point in hoping otherwise but there will be people hoping he fails to say I told you so which is unfortunate. Lets hope for our club we have made a great long term decision.

[whiskers3614]

We all hope for the best now that he is ours.
That does not alter the need for reviewing the selection criteria and bargaining that took place.
People on here tried to justify the Lovett decision on the basis that other clubs were also bidding on him!
Our recruiters need to create a set of selection criteria that stops hasty ad-hoc decisions in the future.

[ripplug66]

We all hope for the best now that he is ours.
That does not alter the need for reviewing the selection criteria and bargaining that took place.
People on here tried to justify the Lovett decision on the basis that other clubs were also bidding on him!
Our recruiters need to create a set of selection criteria that stops hasty ad-hoc decisions in the future.

But why are we comparing Lovett and Carlisle. Surely there is none or hardly any people involved in both decisions.

[Bunk_Moreland]

there is no evidence that Essendon knew anything about the video or if Carlisle was an illicit drug user.

??And if evidence was to emerge??????????????????????????????????????????????? !!

Their doctor would be in breach of the current drug rules of the AFL and if anyone else knows or says they do, Essendon have either broken the rules or the person saying it is full of s.hit.

Personally I wouldn't trust anything an Essendon person says.

[whiskers3614]

We all hope for the best now that he is ours.
That does not alter the need for reviewing the selection criteria and bargaining that took place.
People on here tried to justify the Lovett decision on the basis that other clubs were also bidding on him!
Our recruiters need to create a set of selection criteria that stops hasty ad-hoc decisions in the future.

But why are we comparing Lovett and Carlisle. Surely there is none or hardly any people involved in both decisions.

maybe not the people but the process was at fault?

[Mr Magic]

We all hope for the best now that he is ours.
That does not alter the need for reviewing the selection criteria and bargaining that took place.
People on here tried to justify the Lovett decision on the basis that other clubs were also bidding on him!
Our recruiters need to create a set of selection criteria that stops hasty ad-hoc decisions in the future.

You're assuming that they don't already?

and not directed specifically at you whiskers but in response to some posts on her over the past couple of weeks.
Everyone on here is entitled to express an opinion, but I shake my head at those who think so negatively about those employed at our Club that they need to 'second-guess' every decision In the hopes of obtaining an 'I told you so' moment.
I for one believe that the staff, including those involved in recruiting, are well resourced professionals who know what they're doing and understand what the Club's philosophies, needs and plans are when making decisions.
For keyboard warriors like myself to even hint that they're unaware ignoramuses is just sheer nonsense (IMHO)

[whiskers3614]

We all hope for the best now that he is ours.
That does not alter the need for reviewing the selection criteria and bargaining that took place.
People on here tried to justify the Lovett decision on the basis that other clubs were also bidding on him!
Our recruiters need to create a set of selection criteria that stops hasty ad-hoc decisions in the future.

You're assuming that they don't already?

and not directed specifically at you whiskers but in response to some posts on her over the past couple of weeks.
Everyone on here is entitled to express an opinion, but I shake my head at those who think so negatively about those employed at our Club that they need to 'second-guess' every decision In the hopes of obtaining an 'I told you so' moment.
I for one believe that the staff, including those involved in recruiting, are well resourced professionals who know what they're doing and understand what the Club's philosophies, needs and plans are when making decisions.
For keyboard warriors like myself to even hint that they're unaware ignoramuses is just sheer nonsense (IMHO)

Respect for what you say Mr M
but leaving the latest incident aside I would have had grave reservations about recruiting Carlisle after the "this club is ..." episode.
Perhaps our clubs' selection criteria is in need of review?

[saynta]

Can't wait to see you guys cheering him when he gets his first possession

I'll definitely be one of those cheering him on. He hasn't hurt anyone else and hopefully he has learned a valuable life lesson. It may make him a lot more focused.

You need a brain to focus

so if he turns out to be a valuable attribute ????? I may bookmark this if thats ok with you.

You actually think that i would not want him to become a valuable attribute??

All I have done is emphasised his shortcomings and there is probably no need for me to do it because they are so completely evident

We are banking on this guy to anchor our defence - a player who has plenty of baggage and a history of inconsistency and mental fragility

I would go as far to say that I think you have rocks in your head if you think Carlisle is just going to waltz in and make this magical difference to our team - there is no doubt when he puts his mind to it he can be a very good player but right now he is coming from rock bottom with regards to respect - the guy practically took a fair size dump in our mouths and it seems you are prepared to forgive him no questions asked - well not me!!

Until he cares to show a rock solid commitment to our club in terms of playing form and gratitude will I start to ease the contempt I currently have for this douchebag.

I really do hope he can pull it together but I wont be holding my breath

We should cease to trade with Essendope from here on in. They are scum, we have been burnt twice. That should be enough.

I wouldn't have traded with them this time.

[kosifantutti]

Can't wait to see you guys cheering him when he gets his first possession

Possession of what?

[bigcarl]

Can't wait to see you guys cheering him when he gets his first possession

Possession of what?

[WinnersOnly]

Does anyone know what Carlisle's reduced contract will looks like?