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Re: Jake Carlisle

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Good deal. I am happy with that. Essentially we get Carlisle for pick 14.

We lock in Rice (45+63) and we get two live picks in the draft - 14 + 44


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Con Gorozidis wrote:Good deal. I am happy with that. Essentially we get Carlisle for pick 14.

We lock in Rice (45+63) and we get two live picks in the draft - 14 + 44

Sinclair will be one of those unless we delist a couple more and get an even later pick which is the way to go IMO.


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ripplug66 wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:Good deal. I am happy with that. Essentially we get Carlisle for pick 14.

We lock in Rice (45+63) and we get two live picks in the draft - 14 + 44

Sinclair will be one of those unless we delist a couple more and get an even later pick which is the way to go IMO.

Most likely will use 68 to upgrade Sinclair


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Con Gorozidis wrote:Good deal. I am happy with that. Essentially we get Carlisle for pick 14.

We lock in Rice (45+63) and we get two live picks in the draft - 14 + 44
You need to have three live picks in the draft, so we have to delist at least two more players.


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FortiusQuoFidelius wrote:
ripplug66 wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:Good deal. I am happy with that. Essentially we get Carlisle for pick 14.

We lock in Rice (45+63) and we get two live picks in the draft - 14 + 44

Sinclair will be one of those unless we delist a couple more and get an even later pick which is the way to go IMO.

Most likely will use 68 to upgrade Sinclair
Later than that, much later I suspect.
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saynta wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:Good deal. I am happy with that. Essentially we get Carlisle for pick 14.

We lock in Rice (45+63) and we get two live picks in the draft - 14 + 44
You need to have three live picks in the draft, so we have to delist at least two more players.
Ok - well we may not need 63 for Rice.

Does Sinclair count as a 'live' pick?


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Con Gorozidis wrote:
saynta wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:Good deal. I am happy with that. Essentially we get Carlisle for pick 14.

We lock in Rice (45+63) and we get two live picks in the draft - 14 + 44
You need to have three live picks in the draft, so we have to delist at least two more players.
Ok - well we may not need 63 for Rice.

Does Sinclair count as a 'live' pick?

Yes and has always and so does Rice. I have no idea how many have been delisted but if we use one pick we need 5 delisted. Obviously if we use 2 picks we need 6 delisted.
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Con Gorozidis wrote:
saynta wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:Good deal. I am happy with that. Essentially we get Carlisle for pick 14.

We lock in Rice (45+63) and we get two live picks in the draft - 14 + 44
You need to have three live picks in the draft, so we have to delist at least two more players.
Ok - well we may not need 63 for Rice.

Does Sinclair count as a 'live' pick?
Well, it didn't in the past. Don't know if they changed the rules last year.I remember them fiddling around the edges.


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I hope they use pick 5 on a gumby.


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Con Gorozidis wrote:Good deal. I am happy with that. Essentially we get Carlisle for pick 14.

We lock in Rice (45+63) and we get two live picks in the draft - 14 + 44
where is Freeman in all this?


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desertsaint wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:Good deal. I am happy with that. Essentially we get Carlisle for pick 14.

We lock in Rice (45+63) and we get two live picks in the draft - 14 + 44
where is Freeman in all this?
Freeman deal complete. Basically next year's 2nd rounder.


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Deal is Calrlisle done, Saints gave up 5 & 24.
Saints got back 14 and 44 and Carlisle.

So that is about 1079 points. So Carlise cost the Saints about pick 15. Which is what most reasonable people on both sides thought.

ie Not worth Pick 5, but worth more than Pick 24.

The deal as worked out also means that Saints have the likely points for Rice as a FS without risking our first pick being downgraded in 2016 which would have happened if we were short on too many points.


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Jakey boy had better work hard and be worth it..........




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saintsRrising wrote:Deal is Calrlisle done, Saints gave up 5 & 24.
Saints got back 14 and 44 and Carlisle.

So that is about 1079 points. So Carlise cost the Saints about pick 15. Which is what most reasonable people on both sides thought.

ie Not worth Pick 5, but worth more than Pick 24.

The deal as worked out also means that Saints have the likely points for Rice as a FS without risking our first pick being downgraded in 2016 which would have happened if we were short on too many points.
So what did the swans get out of the deal for craig Bird?


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saynta wrote:
saintsRrising wrote:Deal is Calrlisle done, Saints gave up 5 & 24.
Saints got back 14 and 44 and Carlisle.

So that is about 1079 points. So Carlise cost the Saints about pick 15. Which is what most reasonable people on both sides thought.

ie Not worth Pick 5, but worth more than Pick 24.

The deal as worked out also means that Saints have the likely points for Rice as a FS without risking our first pick being downgraded in 2016 which would have happened if we were short on too many points.
So what did the swans get out of the deal for craig Bird?
They exchanged pick 14 for 5 -a good deal for them!


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longtimesaint wrote:
saynta wrote:
saintsRrising wrote:Deal is Calrlisle done, Saints gave up 5 & 24.
Saints got back 14 and 44 and Carlisle.

So that is about 1079 points. So Carlise cost the Saints about pick 15. Which is what most reasonable people on both sides thought.

ie Not worth Pick 5, but worth more than Pick 24.

The deal as worked out also means that Saints have the likely points for Rice as a FS without risking our first pick being downgraded in 2016 which would have happened if we were short on too many points.
So what did the swans get out of the deal for craig Bird?
They exchanged pick 14 for 5 -a good deal for them!
So the swans have pick 5?


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So we've given up picks 5 and 24 in order to land Carlisle? Wouldn't we have been better off just doing a straight swap with pick 5 for Carlisle?


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Sainternist wrote:So we've given up picks 5 and 24 in order to land Carlisle? Wouldn't we have been better off just doing a straight swap with pick 5 for Carlisle?

No because we also get pick 14 and 44


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Sainternist wrote:So we've given up picks 5 and 24 in order to land Carlisle? Wouldn't we have been better off just doing a straight swap with pick 5 for Carlisle?
No because we have pick 14 coming back which is a lot better than keeping 24.
Also we get 44 which can be used for Rice or Sinclair.


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uptheboys wrote:
Sainternist wrote:So we've given up picks 5 and 24 in order to land Carlisle? Wouldn't we have been better off just doing a straight swap with pick 5 for Carlisle?

No because we also get pick 14 and 44
Ah, my bad. Gotcha. Very good.


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longtimesaint wrote:
Sainternist wrote:So we've given up picks 5 and 24 in order to land Carlisle? Wouldn't we have been better off just doing a straight swap with pick 5 for Carlisle?
No because we have pick 14 coming back which is a lot better than keeping 24.
Also we get 44 which can be used for Rice or Sinclair.
You would use your last draft pick on sinclair which currently is in the early hundreds


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saynta wrote:
longtimesaint wrote:
Sainternist wrote:So we've given up picks 5 and 24 in order to land Carlisle? Wouldn't we have been better off just doing a straight swap with pick 5 for Carlisle?
No because we have pick 14 coming back which is a lot better than keeping 24.
Also we get 44 which can be used for Rice or Sinclair.
You would use your last draft pick on sinclair which currently is in the early hundreds
Yeah - surely we use a very late pick on Sinclair?


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Con Gorozidis wrote:
saynta wrote:
longtimesaint wrote:
Sainternist wrote:So we've given up picks 5 and 24 in order to land Carlisle? Wouldn't we have been better off just doing a straight swap with pick 5 for Carlisle?
No because we have pick 14 coming back which is a lot better than keeping 24.
Also we get 44 which can be used for Rice or Sinclair.
You would use your last draft pick on sinclair which currently is in the early hundreds
Yeah - surely we use a very late pick on Sinclair?
It looks like we will pass on quite a few picks.


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Con Gorozidis wrote:
saynta wrote:
longtimesaint wrote:
Sainternist wrote:So we've given up picks 5 and 24 in order to land Carlisle? Wouldn't we have been better off just doing a straight swap with pick 5 for Carlisle?
No because we have pick 14 coming back which is a lot better than keeping 24.
Also we get 44 which can be used for Rice or Sinclair.
You would use your last draft pick on sinclair which currently is in the early hundreds
Yeah - surely we use a very late pick on Sinclair?
yep.

As it stood this morning the Saints still had picks 5, 24, 45, 68, 81, 99 and 117 at next month’s National Draft.

Now we have picks 14, 44, 45 ,68, 81, 99 and 117.

Not hard to find out.


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