Jake Carlisle

[SMS]

Second rounder and Ross for Carlisle would be my hope

Third round to pies for freeman

Keep pick 5


They are OOC no need to deal so hard. All huff and puff from dickdoro!!

He either accepts or take nothing! We'll pick him up in PSD.
Carlton cant afford him. Actually no one can in front of us so whatevs!!!

They will look like the biggest morons taking him back LOL let em do it. Play hard ball saints. We need a flag. To do that have to get bargains at draft.

Pick 5, carlisle and freeman would be fantastic.

[Rosco]

carlton might pick him up in PSD. but agreed, we don't need to overpay or even pay fair market value.

[ripplug66]

Second rounder and Ross for Carlisle would be my hope

Third round to pies for freeman

Keep pick 5


They are OOC no need to deal so hard. All huff and puff from dickdoro!!

He either accepts or take nothing! We'll pick him up in PSD.
Carlton cant afford him. Actually no one can in front of us so whatevs!!!

They will look like the biggest morons taking him back LOL let em do it. Play hard ball saints. We need a flag. To do that have to get bargains at draft.

Pick 5, carlisle and freeman would be fantastic.

What does OOC matter? Most players who leave are out of contract. Freeman will cost more than pick 45 and so he should. We could get Carlisle with a second round pick but it will take a pretty good player. I think the true vale of both players is Carlisle around pick 12-16 and Freeman about 25. Keeping pick 5 would be great but it maybe not possible and I rather the 2 we are chasing than miss out and get one untried young kid. The obvious answer is we give them pick 5 and they give us their second rounder that we then use on Freeman.

[fugazi]

Great that Carlisle has chosen us, but let Essendon sweat on it. Pick 5 is univerasally acknowledged as being overs.

As our fall back we should at least get Freeman with it in a 3 way.

[MC Gusto]

I don't understand your valuations given the players have nominated the saints. Who are Essendon / Collingwood going to use to create competitive tension - there effectively is none at the moment given it's only the saints and both players want out

[santazzi]

Hey Mods...Now that Jake has declared his intention......How about combining these thread with "2015 draft and trade thread".........prety much same things are now starting to be said in both threads.

[The Fireman]

Hey Mods...Now that Jake has declared his intention......How about combining these thread with "2015 draft and trade thread".........prety much same things are now starting to be said in both threads.

no...let's keep it fragmented ...I wanna be saturated with info.

[saintbrat]

he needs to work on his presentation skills and public speaking- I kept hearing words thrown out there by others around him,

leadership? m not sure on initial interview on NAB trade radio.

[smilk]

Would I be right in thinking we hold all the cards in this trade? Say negotiations brake down with Essendon and the deal doesn't get done in trade period.
We are offering him a heavily front loaded contract which would mean he'd go into the PSD with a huge price on his head for that first year.
I can't see Carlton paying overs for a guy that doesn't want to be there and could walk after one year. Could they even afford to match our price in their salary cap?
If not we should absolutely be playing hard ball. Because worst case as i can see is we keep all our draft picks and we take him in the PSD.
Our large offer and Jake wanting to be at our club gives us an upper hand in negotiations and a fair trade should reflect that and skew in closer to our favour.
It'd be nice to get the deal done in the trade period, but if Essendon aren't being realistic then it's really them that have more to lose.
We've been through this same scenario with Luke Ball. Would be nice to get one back

[BigMart]

Ben McEvoy
P9 -> P19 + Savage
Jamie Cripps
P24 -> P43
Tom Lynch
P13 -> P37
Nicholas Winmar
P32 -> Delist
Andrew McQualter
P17 -> Rookie
Luke Ball
P2 -> Nothing

You don't always get your investment back

[satchmo]

Second rounder and Ross for Carlisle would be my hope

Third round to pies for freeman

Keep pick 5


They are OOC no need to deal so hard. All huff and puff from dickdoro!!

He either accepts or take nothing! We'll pick him up in PSD.
Carlton cant afford him. Actually no one can in front of us so whatevs!!!

They will look like the biggest morons taking him back LOL let em do it. Play hard ball saints. We need a flag. To do that have to get bargains at draft.

Pick 5, carlisle and freeman would be fantastic.

What exactly happens if we don't cut a deal?

[Gershwin]

Second rounder and Ross for Carlisle would be my hope

Third round to pies for freeman

Keep pick 5


They are OOC no need to deal so hard. All huff and puff from dickdoro!!

He either accepts or take nothing! We'll pick him up in PSD.
Carlton cant afford him. Actually no one can in front of us so whatevs!!!

They will look like the biggest morons taking him back LOL let em do it. Play hard ball saints. We need a flag. To do that have to get bargains at draft.

Pick 5, carlisle and freeman would be fantastic.

What does OOC matter? Most players who leave are out of contract. Freeman will cost more than pick 45 and so he should. We could get Carlisle with a second round pick but it will take a pretty good player. I think the true vale of both players is Carlisle around pick 12-16 and Freeman about 25. Keeping pick 5 would be great but it maybe not possible and I rather the 2 we are chasing than miss out and get one untried young kid. The obvious answer is we give them pick 5 and they give us their second rounder that we then use on Freeman.

I'd still like to throw a St Kilda player into the equation and keep pick 5. Not Billings of course and there are other untouchables but there must be a player that we could lose and Essendon would gain who would want to go and might do OK out of moving. Combination of draft picks and players but not pick 5.

[Con Gorozidis]

Ben McEvoy
P9 -> P19 + Savage
Jamie Cripps
P24 -> P43
Tom Lynch
P13 -> P37
Nicholas Winmar
P32 -> Delist
Andrew McQualter
P17 -> Rookie
Luke Ball
P2 -> Nothing

You don't always get your investment back

Nathan Wright - pick 24
Spencer White - pick 25
Daniel Markworth - pick 35

[Jacks Back]

Second rounder and Ross for Carlisle would be my hope

Third round to pies for freeman

Keep pick 5


They are OOC no need to deal so hard. All huff and puff from dickdoro!!

He either accepts or take nothing! We'll pick him up in PSD.
Carlton cant afford him. Actually no one can in front of us so whatevs!!!

They will look like the biggest morons taking him back LOL let em do it. Play hard ball saints. We need a flag. To do that have to get bargains at draft.

Pick 5, carlisle and freeman would be fantastic.

What does OOC matter? Most players who leave are out of contract. Freeman will cost more than pick 45 and so he should. We could get Carlisle with a second round pick but it will take a pretty good player. I think the true vale of both players is Carlisle around pick 12-16 and Freeman about 25. Keeping pick 5 would be great but it maybe not possible and I rather the 2 we are chasing than miss out and get one untried young kid. The obvious answer is we give them pick 5 and they give us their second rounder that we then use on Freeman.

I'd still like to throw a St Kilda player into the equation and keep pick 5. Not Billings of course and there are other untouchables but there must be a player that we could lose and Essendon would gain who would want to go and might do OK out of moving. Combination of draft picks and players but not pick 5.

Maybe they might take all of White, Siposs and Schneider (and any others we've delisted).

[markp]

Give them Jack S.

[longtimesaint]

Give them Jack S.

We would be crazy to trade Jack Sinclair.
He will be a very good player for us.

[ripplug66]

Give them Jack S.

We would be crazy to trade Jack Sinclair.
He will be a very good player for us.

I think he meant our other Jack S, Jack s***.

[mullet]

Give them Jack S.

We would be crazy to trade Jack Sinclair.
He will be a very good player for us.

I think he meant our other Jack S, Jack s***.

nearly spat my coffee at this one. We have too many jack's but haven't heard much of this jack shite! Nuggetty little fellow?

[mullet]

Give them Jack S.

We would be crazy to trade Jack Sinclair.
He will be a very good player for us.

I think he meant our other Jack S, Jack s***.

nearly spat my coffee at this one. We have too many jack's but haven't heard much of this jack shite! Nuggetty little fellow?

[ripplug66]

Give them Jack S.

We would be crazy to trade Jack Sinclair.
He will be a very good player for us.

I think he meant our other Jack S, Jack s***.

nearly spat my coffee at this one. We have too many jack's but haven't heard much of this jack shite! Nuggetty little fellow?

Bit of a turd the rumour goes.

[saynta]

Second rounder and Ross for Carlisle would be my hope

Third round to pies for freeman

Keep pick 5


They are OOC no need to deal so hard. All huff and puff from dickdoro!!

He either accepts or take nothing! We'll pick him up in PSD.
Carlton cant afford him. Actually no one can in front of us so whatevs!!!

They will look like the biggest morons taking him back LOL let em do it. Play hard ball saints. We need a flag. To do that have to get bargains at draft.

Pick 5, carlisle and freeman would be fantastic.

What does OOC matter? Most players who leave are out of contract. Freeman will cost more than pick 45 and so he should. We could get Carlisle with a second round pick but it will take a pretty good player. I think the true vale of both players is Carlisle around pick 12-16 and Freeman about 25. Keeping pick 5 would be great but it maybe not possible and I rather the 2 we are chasing than miss out and get one untried young kid. The obvious answer is we give them pick 5 and they give us their second rounder that we then use on Freeman.

Freemans an untried young kid and an injury prone one at that. Carlisle is a bad tempered sook.

[ripplug66]

Second rounder and Ross for Carlisle would be my hope

Third round to pies for freeman

Keep pick 5


They are OOC no need to deal so hard. All huff and puff from dickdoro!!

He either accepts or take nothing! We'll pick him up in PSD.
Carlton cant afford him. Actually no one can in front of us so whatevs!!!

They will look like the biggest morons taking him back LOL let em do it. Play hard ball saints. We need a flag. To do that have to get bargains at draft.

Pick 5, carlisle and freeman would be fantastic.

What does OOC matter? Most players who leave are out of contract. Freeman will cost more than pick 45 and so he should. We could get Carlisle with a second round pick but it will take a pretty good player. I think the true vale of both players is Carlisle around pick 12-16 and Freeman about 25. Keeping pick 5 would be great but it maybe not possible and I rather the 2 we are chasing than miss out and get one untried young kid. The obvious answer is we give them pick 5 and they give us their second rounder that we then use on Freeman.

Freemans an untried young kid and an injury prone one at that. Carlisle is a bad tempered sook.

Have you met Carlisle? Anyway that's all interesting.

[saynta]

Second rounder and Ross for Carlisle would be my hope

Third round to pies for freeman

Keep pick 5


They are OOC no need to deal so hard. All huff and puff from dickdoro!!

He either accepts or take nothing! We'll pick him up in PSD.
Carlton cant afford him. Actually no one can in front of us so whatevs!!!

They will look like the biggest morons taking him back LOL let em do it. Play hard ball saints. We need a flag. To do that have to get bargains at draft.

Pick 5, carlisle and freeman would be fantastic.

What does OOC matter? Most players who leave are out of contract. Freeman will cost more than pick 45 and so he should. We could get Carlisle with a second round pick but it will take a pretty good player. I think the true vale of both players is Carlisle around pick 12-16 and Freeman about 25. Keeping pick 5 would be great but it maybe not possible and I rather the 2 we are chasing than miss out and get one untried young kid. The obvious answer is we give them pick 5 and they give us their second rounder that we then use on Freeman.

I'd still like to throw a St Kilda player into the equation and keep pick 5. Not Billings of course and there are other untouchables but there must be a player that we could lose and Essendon would gain who would want to go and might do OK out of moving. Combination of draft picks and players but not pick 5.

Who would really want to go to the drug cheats?

[fugazi]

Trade radio talking up pick 5 for Carlisle..........but we hold the cards here, if Aish goes to the PSD and Carlton get him, we are in line for Carlisle for nothing....let Essendon sweat on that scenario.
Let's not forget the Lovett deal...Bombers think they have a divine right to shaft the rest of the competition, and us in particular.
Would rather not get Carlisle than swap pick 5....OOC and wants to come, you cannot expect parity from that deal, you literally are at the mercy of the club he wants to go to....let's not show them any (or at least not much)

[saintjake]

- Trade Hickey/Longer for a first round pick (many teams looking for a Ruckman)
- Use the pick we receive for either Hickey or Longer for Carlisle
- Second or Third rounder for Freeman
- Pick 5 and next years second rounder (or player) for Treloar


Any realistic chance?