Bye all

[dragit]

The rule states:

MULTIPLE IDENTITY POLICY

Posters found to hold multiple forum identities and using them to add support to their own position within a forum argument, OR to undertake any activity that can be constituted as a breach of rules, will be penalised without any formal warning and with an ongoing permanent ban on all identities from the offending I.P. addresses.

Show me where Stinger and Saynta have done that?

The rules seem pretty clear, the question is are you prepared to enforce them?

MarkP has shown an example of breaching the rules of baiting by a multiple identity posting under the guise of being a different poster…

Is saynta a multiple identity of stinger - YES

Has stinger baited old foes under the guise of a new identity - YES

There are plenty of example of this baiting, but there is little point highlighting them unless you commit to enforcing the rules that you have written and brought in.

[dragit]

He was an absolute pest and a proven liar on his own admission.

From this very thread…

Baiting, clear as day.

[saynta]

He was an absolute pest and a proven liar on his own admission.

From this very thread…

Baiting, clear as day.

Talk about a dog with his bone. You can't bait someone who isn't a member,

[markp]

Well said, dragit.

And I ask again, has saynta ever been cautioned or warned for breaching The Rules?

It's as clear as day that the farcical charade surrounding his anonimity is in itself a baiting device.

If not, and this poster did seek a fresh start, why revert to an alternate nic that was outed as a stinger alter ego years ago, why the absurd theatrical pretence that it's not him... Why not a new nic and/or an admission that it is stinger but he wants a fresh start and doesn't want to be connected to that persona anymore?

Because he couldn't play baiting games and abuse people who rightly point out the blatantly obvious then. He couldn't tie the mods in knots trying not to reveal his true identity then.

It's planet bizarro.

Simon, you're insulting everyone's intelligence, and being played for a chump.

[SENsei]

He was an absolute pest and a proven liar on his own admission.

From this very thread…

Baiting, clear as day.

Talk about a dog with his bone. You can't bait someone who isn't a member,

To others discussing this topic, is stinger still considered a member? If so, then multiple nicknames. If not, why is there an issue with baiting that nickname? Can we have it both ways??

[saynta]

Well said, dragit.

And I ask again, has saynta ever been cautioned or warned for breaching The Rules?

It's as clear as day that the farcical charade surrounding his anonimity is in itself a baiting device.

If not, and this poster did seek a fresh start, why revert to an alternate nic that was outed as a stinger alter ego years ago, why the absurd theatrical pretence that it's not him... Why not a new nic and/or an admission that it is stinger but he wants a fresh start and doesn't want to be connected to that persona anymore?

Because he couldn't play baiting games and abuse people who rightly point out the blatantly obvious then. He couldn't tie the mods in knots trying not to reveal his true identity then.

It's planet bizarro.

Simon, you're insulting everyone's intelligence, and being played for a chump.

He's already answered your question.


"Re: Bye all

Postby BackFromUSA » Wed 23 Sep 10:27 pm

skeptic wrote:Even if Stinger and Saynta are the same person... And i think they are (though don't know this for fact), his posting style has changed since the change in nickname (if it happened) and the more irritating aspects have lessened.

Could be hope for plugger yet



I would hope thee is hope for Plugger66 and that person would be werlcome back if he posted within the rules.

AND agreed - even if Saynta is the same person as Stinger was - there has been a massive improvement in the posting style - even when being attacked by multiple people.

Stinger = breached rules frequently

saynta = rarely breaches the rules"

[saynta]

He was an absolute pest and a proven liar on his own admission.

From this very thread…

Baiting, clear as day.

Talk about a dog with his bone. You can't bait someone who isn't a member,

To others discussing this topic, is stinger still considered a member? If so, then multiple nicknames. If not, why is there an issue with baiting that nickname? Can we have it both ways??

Check for yourself. Easy to do. There is no stinger registered as a member and I don't use multiple nicknames sensational. I resent your suggestion that I do.

You can't bait someone who isn't a member so your question is irrelevant.

Baiting me or any other member is however still against the rules.

[dragit]

Here's the other part of the Multiple Identity Policy

MULTIPLE IDENTITY POLICY

The moderators and administrators (through a majority vote) reserve the right to conclude that the multiple identity policy has been breached by posters that shows a pattern of behaviour that indicates that it is the one individual posting under two or more sign in usernames

Posting in the same threads on the same day from this year

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=88178&p=1531094#p1531094

seb ross is not a maybe

- Fri 27 Feb 2015 8:05am

I think I will wait until after the NAB cup before trying to guess the team for round one.

Fri 27 Feb 2015 9:06am

posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=1531092

fair comments mate....and tot,,,rebecca had some interesting comments re gws....ego driven expansion.!!......yep...spot on......and they aint going to last the distance either...

Fri 27 Feb 2015 7:38am

Wow, what a thread. It has taken me days to just read a porion of it, but it's all very interesting.

- Fri 27 Feb 2015 9:04am

Both usernames clearly active and posting in the same thread on more than one occasion (a pattern)… well within the date of the SS rules which clearly indicate a permanent IP ban for this behavior.

NEW SAINTSATIONAL FAN FORUM RULES (AS OF 18 MAY 2014)

Plenty more examples of baiting, but this example seems pretty cleat cut.

[saynta]

Here's the other part of the Multiple Identity Policy

MULTIPLE IDENTITY POLICY

The moderators and administrators (through a majority vote) reserve the right to conclude that the multiple identity policy has been breached by posters that shows a pattern of behaviour that indicates that it is the one individual posting under two or more sign in usernames

Posting in the same threads on the same day from this year

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=88178&p=1531094#p1531094

seb ross is not a maybe

- Fri 27 Feb 2015 8:05am

I think I will wait until after the NAB cup before trying to guess the team for round one.

Fri 27 Feb 2015 9:06am

posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=1531092

fair comments mate....and tot,,,rebecca had some interesting comments re gws....ego driven expansion.!!......yep...spot on......and they aint going to last the distance either...

Fri 27 Feb 2015 7:38am

Wow, what a thread. It has taken me days to just read a porion of it, but it's all very interesting.

- Fri 27 Feb 2015 9:04am

Both usernames clearly active and posting in the same thread on more than one occasion (a pattern)… well within the date of the SS rules which clearly indicate a permanent IP ban for this behavior.

NEW SAINTSATIONAL FAN FORUM RULES (AS OF 18 MAY 2014)

Plenty more examples of baiting, but this example seems pretty cleat cut.

What absolute drival. Where is the baiting?

[dragit]

Talk about a dog with his bone.

Damn straight.
I'm sick of your lying.
I've just proven you have posted under multiple names in the same thread in the same day, which means a permanent ban from this site.
check mate.

[saynta]

Talk about a dog with his bone.

Damn straight.
I'm sick of your lying.
I've just proven you have posted under multiple names in the same thread in the same day, which means a permanent ban from this site.
check mate.

Crap. you have proven nothing more than what type pf person you are.

[SENsei]

Why not a new nic and/or an admission that it is stinger but he wants a fresh start and doesn't want to be connected to that persona anymore?

Exactly my thoughts.

Why not be up front about it? "Hey guys, I have been pretty unhappy with my previous postings as stinger and I am looking to turn over a new leaf. I want a clean slate and I will give all my previous combatants a clean slate too. I just want to enjoy my time here. I would appreciate it if you could respect my wishes to move on from the old postings and refrain from dragging up the past. For my part, I want to be a new poster and I want to enjoy the interactions on here. All the best. "

As you say mark, it is just a baiting device behind the cloak of "I'm not stinger" and it created more problems that it solved.

Now under the example above, there is no doubt, and there is no guarantee that P66 or anyone else would've abided by the wishes. However, it would've been transparent and if the new entity was disrespected after being upfront through no provocation, I would have no problem supporting reporting of those posters that transgressed.

Under this situation of "it's not me" is just playing everyone for a fool and hence the ensuing problems.

I'm SEN and that's my take.

[markp]

And on it goes....

[SENsei]

He was an absolute pest and a proven liar on his own admission.

From this very thread…

Baiting, clear as day.

Talk about a dog with his bone. You can't bait someone who isn't a member,

To others discussing this topic, is stinger still considered a member? If so, then multiple nicknames. If not, why is there an issue with baiting that nickname? Can we have it both ways??

Check for yourself. Easy to do. There is no stinger registered as a member and I don't use multiple nicknames sensational. I resent your suggestion that I do.

You can't bait someone who isn't a member so your question is irrelevant.

Baiting me or any other member is however still against the rules.

So if that is the case, how did P66 get banned for baiting stinger if stinger does not exist?

[SENsei]

And just for the record, stinger DOES exist in the member list. Check now, click on the posts and number 2 is stinger with 38126 posts.

So what say you now? Who is lying? stinger existed and so does saynta, both at the same time. The "I don't use multiple nicks" claim is looking a little shallow. Just be upfront like a suggested rather than this charade that is immature and insulting to everyone else.

[saynta]

He was an absolute pest and a proven liar on his own admission.

From this very thread…

Baiting, clear as day.

Talk about a dog with his bone. You can't bait someone who isn't a member,

To others discussing this topic, is stinger still considered a member? If so, then multiple nicknames. If not, why is there an issue with baiting that nickname? Can we have it both ways??

Check for yourself. Easy to do. There is no stinger registered as a member and I don't use multiple nicknames sensational. I resent your suggestion that I do.

You can't bait someone who isn't a member so your question is irrelevant.

Baiting me or any other member is however still against the rules.

So if that is the case, how did P66 get banned for baiting stinger if stinger does not exist?

I don't know why plugger got banned except for what we have been told by BFUSA but it had nothing to do with me or stinger for that matter.

Plugger may have got warnings for baiting me but not recently as far as I'm zaware.

[SENsei]

Love your investigative work dragit.

[markp]

Talk about a dog with his bone.

Damn straight.
I'm sick of your lying.
I've just proven you have posted under multiple names in the same thread in the same day, which means a permanent ban from this site.
check mate.

Crap. you have proven nothing more than what type pf person you are.

Awww you are...!



Not baiting, just offering an opinion, huh Simon?

[saynta]

Talk about a dog with his bone.

Damn straight.
I'm sick of your lying.
I've just proven you have posted under multiple names in the same thread in the same day, which means a permanent ban from this site.
check mate.

These are the rules. i do't know where you got your version from.

"SAINTSATIONAL FAN FORUM RULES (AS FROM 24 JULY 2013)

Saintsational Fan Forum is an unofficial St Kilda Football Club discussion forum open to all ages.

Due to minors being able to access this fan forum, respectful behaviour at all times is essential.

Vigorous debate and friendly banter on St. Kilda Football Club matters is encouraged, as long as there is respect for each other’s opinions. No matter how much you disagree, or dismiss the worth of any opinion posted, your response must be respectful.

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The forum has a <!> button in each post for ANY poster to report ANY breach of forum rules to the moderators. The reporting poster will only be known to the Moderators but otherwise anonymous.

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There will be zero tolerance for baiting, belittling, badgering, bullying or any insulting, abusive, sexist, racist, ageist, homophobic or threatening behaviour, or any personal attacks in this Fan Forum or in Private Messages. Such behaviour constitutes a breach of rules.

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Posters found to hold multiple forum identities and using them to add support to their own position within a forum argument will be penalised with two official warnings to their primary forum identity and a permanent ban on secondary identities.

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[markp]

Why not a new nic and/or an admission that it is stinger but he wants a fresh start and doesn't want to be connected to that persona anymore?

Exactly my thoughts.

Why not be up front about it? "Hey guys, I have been pretty unhappy with my previous postings as stinger and I am looking to turn over a new leaf. I want a clean slate and I will give all my previous combatants a clean slate too. I just want to enjoy my time here. I would appreciate it if you could respect my wishes to move on from the old postings and refrain from dragging up the past. For my part, I want to be a new poster and I want to enjoy the interactions on here. All the best. "

As you say mark, it is just a baiting device behind the cloak of "I'm not stinger" and it created more problems that it solved.

Now under the example above, there is no doubt, and there is no guarantee that P66 or anyone else would've abided by the wishes. However, it would've been transparent and if the new entity was disrespected after being upfront through no provocation, I would have no problem supporting reporting of those posters that transgressed.

Under this situation of "it's not me" is just playing everyone for a fool and hence the ensuing problems.

I'm SEN and that's my take.

Well said, SEN.

Especially all the parts where you agree with me.

[dragit]

Crap. you have proven nothing more than what type pf person you are.

Wow, what a thread
It's clear as day that you have been posting under 2 names only an hour apart, attempting to fool people that you are different people… not sure how you can argue against that.

fair comments mate....and tot,,,rebecca had some interesting comments re gws....ego driven expansion.!!......yep...spot on......and they aint going to last the distance either...

Fri 27 Feb 2015 7:38am

Wow, what a thread. It has taken me days to just read a porion of it, but it's all very interesting.

- Fri 27 Feb 2015 9:04am

It's a very clear breach of the multiple identity policy, enforced with a permanent ban - just going by the rules.

[markp]

And on it goes (2.0)....

[saynta]

All you detectives better go back to school. There is no member called stinger on this forum. I bet if you click on a plugger post he still comes up with his post count, but he is obviously not a member of this forum. Neither is stinger.

I have broken no rules, no matter what any of you try to make out.

[SENsei]

Talk about a dog with his bone.

Damn straight.
I'm sick of your lying.
I've just proven you have posted under multiple names in the same thread in the same day, which means a permanent ban from this site.
check mate.

These are the rules. i do't know where you got your version from.

"SAINTSATIONAL FAN FORUM RULES (AS FROM 24 JULY 2013)

Wrong! The current set of rules at the top of the fan forum are dated 18th May 2014 and they have an extending Multiple Nickname policy. You need to get your to facts right when arguing. You need to have a very good memory to remember all the stories.

[markp]

Dragit, please post all the rules when you refer to the rules, or a rule.

Cheers.