Round 22 Adam Goodes

[bigcarlosis]

The Wayland Smithers School of Journalism


One thing I’ve come to understand about our society is that often, those who see themselves as the most tolerant, educated and enlightened are usually most racist, close-minded of all. These types were the first to pick up their keyboard or a microphone and declare that speaking negatively about the so-called ‘war dance’ effort from Adam Goodes over the weekend means that we are culturally ignorant, yet in making such a claim, have themselves ignored an entire segment of the Aboriginal community, who are appalled at the ‘performance’. In wanting us to be a homogenous community capable of only thinking and feeling one way, therefore enabling them to have the correct information and be ‘right’, they are guilty of the same crime they are continually accusing an entire nation of – RACISM.

As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life.

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com. ... ol-of.html

[Clayton Davis]

Enough with the sheeiiitttt !!

First time I have agreed with you on this thread.

I see you boyz been watchin' det creekate too???

Shameful, shameful sheeeiiittt that !!!

[gringo]

The Wayland Smithers School of Journalism


One thing I’ve come to understand about our society is that often, those who see themselves as the most tolerant, educated and enlightened are usually most racist, close-minded of all. These types were the first to pick up their keyboard or a microphone and declare that speaking negatively about the so-called ‘war dance’ effort from Adam Goodes over the weekend means that we are culturally ignorant, yet in making such a claim, have themselves ignored an entire segment of the Aboriginal community, who are appalled at the ‘performance’. In wanting us to be a homogenous community capable of only thinking and feeling one way, therefore enabling them to have the correct information and be ‘right’, they are guilty of the same crime they are continually accusing an entire nation of – RACISM.

As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life.

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com. ... ol-of.html

That's crap. This guy has a voice and he uses it but at the end of the day I don't think he represents most indigenous voices in Australia. Well maybe the North Queensland Uncle Tom Noel Person would agree with him but most would find this guy just a sell out. He's basically distancing himself from him because he's a sell out to white culture and as such has lost his right to speak on issues relating to indigenous people. You can find Jewish holocaust deniers but it doesn't make that the consensus.

[satchmo]

The Wayland Smithers School of Journalism


One thing I’ve come to understand about our society is that often, those who see themselves as the most tolerant, educated and enlightened are usually most racist, close-minded of all. These types were the first to pick up their keyboard or a microphone and declare that speaking negatively about the so-called ‘war dance’ effort from Adam Goodes over the weekend means that we are culturally ignorant, yet in making such a claim, have themselves ignored an entire segment of the Aboriginal community, who are appalled at the ‘performance’. In wanting us to be a homogenous community capable of only thinking and feeling one way, therefore enabling them to have the correct information and be ‘right’, they are guilty of the same crime they are continually accusing an entire nation of – RACISM.

As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life.

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com. ... ol-of.html

That's crap. This guy has a voice and he uses it but at the end of the day I don't think he represents most indigenous voices in Australia. Well maybe the North Queensland Uncle Tom Noel Person would agree with him but most would find this guy just a sell out. He's basically distancing himself from him because he's a sell out to white culture and as such has lost his right to speak on issues relating to indigenous people. You can find Jewish holocaust deniers but it doesn't make that the consensus.

You don't think he represents most indigenous voices in Australia? Do you have some sort of basis for that opinion, or is it the vibe?

At any rate he represents AN indigenous opinion, and we could surely consider it on that basis at least.

[roskilde]

You know what I'm sick of - I should be it's been going on for more than 2000 years!!!! - it's sports being commandeered as a vehicle for social and political engineering. Bread and circuses.

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN and the second a crowd has a problem with a man of Aboriginal descent we have moral paragons - read social engineers - like the great thinker Ross Lyon informing the AFL public that to boo Adam Goodes is literally to return to "the White Austrlia Policy". I'm sickened by the disrespect towards the average footy going person that sentiment - and much media sentiment - betrays.

This is a complicated matter that involves many sentiments and nuances but if you were to go by some of the attitudes that are in alignment with the views expressed by the erstwhile coach of St. Kilda you'd think that this was a country on the verge of some racialist dictatorship. It's amusing because most of the people who boo Adam Goodes probably have an indigenous player they hold in the highest esteem, I wish someone would bloody ask them! All I seem to read is journalists taking their turn at parapsychology and reading the minds of these people.

I've written on SS about my utter contempt for Goodes previously because I think his attitude is unbeftiing of a grown man, let alone an "Australian of the Year". I don't know if I'd boo him were the swans to play in my area but I'll always try to defend those who do from the ignorant, bigoted and hate filled smears that are piled on them by the very people who simultaneously genuinely hold hideously malignant opinions about the average Australian while hypocritically lambasting imagined bigotry against people like Adam Goodes.

[Con Gorozidis]

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN

I seriously doubt that.

[saintspremiers]

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN

I seriously doubt that.

Agree. Probably best examples are Holland and then Sweden

[whiskers3614]

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN

I seriously doubt that.

Agree. Probably best examples are Holland and then Sweden

Yes, and we can see where all the inclusiveness has gotten Holland!

[plugger66]

You know what I'm sick of - I should be it's been going on for more than 2000 years!!!! - it's sports being commandeered as a vehicle for social and political engineering. Bread and circuses.

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN and the second a crowd has a problem with a man of Aboriginal descent we have moral paragons - read social engineers - like the great thinker Ross Lyon informing the AFL public that to boo Adam Goodes is literally to return to "the White Austrlia Policy". I'm sickened by the disrespect towards the average footy going person that sentiment - and much media sentiment - betrays.

This is a complicated matter that involves many sentiments and nuances but if you were to go by some of the attitudes that are in alignment with the views expressed by the erstwhile coach of St. Kilda you'd think that this was a country on the verge of some racialist dictatorship. It's amusing because most of the people who boo Adam Goodes probably have an indigenous player they hold in the highest esteem, I wish someone would bloody ask them! All I seem to read is journalists taking their turn at parapsychology and reading the minds of these people.

I've written on SS about my utter contempt for Goodes previously because I think his attitude is unbeftiing of a grown man, let alone an "Australian of the Year". I don't know if I'd boo him were the swans to play in my area but I'll always try to defend those who do from the ignorant, bigoted and hate filled smears that are piled on them by the very people who simultaneously genuinely hold hideously malignant opinions about the average Australian while hypocritically lambasting imagined bigotry against people like Adam Goodes.

Well shock horror that you think that way. Why would anyone with a brain boo Goodes now unless he does something in a game that deserves booing. It has been told to everyone that he is effected by this. None of us are in his shoes so if he says it then surely we believe it. Just don't boo. It surely doesn't help the person who is booing in anyway at all.

[bigcarlosis]

You know what I'm sick of - I should be it's been going on for more than 2000 years!!!! - it's sports being commandeered as a vehicle for social and political engineering. Bread and circuses.

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN and the second a crowd has a problem with a man of Aboriginal descent we have moral paragons - read social engineers - like the great thinker Ross Lyon informing the AFL public that to boo Adam Goodes is literally to return to "the White Austrlia Policy". I'm sickened by the disrespect towards the average footy going person that sentiment - and much media sentiment - betrays.

This is a complicated matter that involves many sentiments and nuances but if you were to go by some of the attitudes that are in alignment with the views expressed by the erstwhile coach of St. Kilda you'd think that this was a country on the verge of some racialist dictatorship. It's amusing because most of the people who boo Adam Goodes probably have an indigenous player they hold in the highest esteem, I wish someone would bloody ask them! All I seem to read is journalists taking their turn at parapsychology and reading the minds of these people.

I've written on SS about my utter contempt for Goodes previously because I think his attitude is unbeftiing of a grown man, let alone an "Australian of the Year". I don't know if I'd boo him were the swans to play in my area but I'll always try to defend those who do from the ignorant, bigoted and hate filled smears that are piled on them by the very people who simultaneously genuinely hold hideously malignant opinions about the average Australian while hypocritically lambasting imagined bigotry against people like Adam Goodes.

Well shock horror that you think that way. Why would anyone with a brain boo Goodes now unless he does something in a game that deserves booing. It has been told to everyone that he is effected by this. None of us are in his shoes so if he says it then surely we believe it. Just don't boo. It surely doesn't help the person who is booing in anyway at all.

[plugger66]

You know what I'm sick of - I should be it's been going on for more than 2000 years!!!! - it's sports being commandeered as a vehicle for social and political engineering. Bread and circuses.

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN and the second a crowd has a problem with a man of Aboriginal descent we have moral paragons - read social engineers - like the great thinker Ross Lyon informing the AFL public that to boo Adam Goodes is literally to return to "the White Austrlia Policy". I'm sickened by the disrespect towards the average footy going person that sentiment - and much media sentiment - betrays.

This is a complicated matter that involves many sentiments and nuances but if you were to go by some of the attitudes that are in alignment with the views expressed by the erstwhile coach of St. Kilda you'd think that this was a country on the verge of some racialist dictatorship. It's amusing because most of the people who boo Adam Goodes probably have an indigenous player they hold in the highest esteem, I wish someone would bloody ask them! All I seem to read is journalists taking their turn at parapsychology and reading the minds of these people.

I've written on SS about my utter contempt for Goodes previously because I think his attitude is unbeftiing of a grown man, let alone an "Australian of the Year". I don't know if I'd boo him were the swans to play in my area but I'll always try to defend those who do from the ignorant, bigoted and hate filled smears that are piled on them by the very people who simultaneously genuinely hold hideously malignant opinions about the average Australian while hypocritically lambasting imagined bigotry against people like Adam Goodes.

Well shock horror that you think that way. Why would anyone with a brain boo Goodes now unless he does something in a game that deserves booing. It has been told to everyone that he is effected by this. None of us are in his shoes so if he says it then surely we believe it. Just don't boo. It surely doesn't help the person who is booing in anyway at all.

Intellect nil. Ability to talk about the saints on a saints forum nil. Grown up. Certainly not.

[gringo]

The Wayland Smithers School of Journalism


One thing I’ve come to understand about our society is that often, those who see themselves as the most tolerant, educated and enlightened are usually most racist, close-minded of all. These types were the first to pick up their keyboard or a microphone and declare that speaking negatively about the so-called ‘war dance’ effort from Adam Goodes over the weekend means that we are culturally ignorant, yet in making such a claim, have themselves ignored an entire segment of the Aboriginal community, who are appalled at the ‘performance’. In wanting us to be a homogenous community capable of only thinking and feeling one way, therefore enabling them to have the correct information and be ‘right’, they are guilty of the same crime they are continually accusing an entire nation of – RACISM.

As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life.

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com. ... ol-of.html

That's crap. This guy has a voice and he uses it but at the end of the day I don't think he represents most indigenous voices in Australia. Well maybe the North Queensland Uncle Tom Noel Person would agree with him but most would find this guy just a sell out. He's basically distancing himself from him because he's a sell out to white culture and as such has lost his right to speak on issues relating to indigenous people. You can find Jewish holocaust deniers but it doesn't make that the consensus.

You don't think he represents most indigenous voices in Australia? Do you have some sort of basis for that opinion, or is it the vibe?

At any rate he represents AN indigenous opinion, and we could surely consider it on that basis at least.

Well I have a cousin who is indigenous, I know another family that are indigenous and I have know quite a few indigenous people, none of the ones I have known would think that guys opinion is similar to their. Most of them are extremely proud of Goodes as an ambassador. Even Anthony Mundine is seen as a strong leader, he polarises most Australians too. He is a trouble making loud mouth that has an even more abrasive way of bringing up issues. The article Stan Grant wrote probably best represents how most feel, that their culture is something they try to avoid talking about because there is shame associated with it. Most peoples mental image is one of disfunction and poverty when they think of the average indigenous Australian.

Muhammed Ali upset the white majority in the US but also represented his people as strong powerful and aggressive and encouraged movements like the black Panthers. The people like the author above were labelled Uncle Toms in the black resistance movement for their seeming happiness to leave everything exactly as it was no matter how bad it gets. The indigenous people in Australia have gone backwards under the current government and are being further marginalised and there is nothing reported on it. They were promised that even though their right were further eroded that there would be an amendment to our constitution acknowledging them, we have our prime minister now saying that it not really an issue anymore. At least when they are shunted off there land that they have had autonomy removed from and then all funding cut out of the miners will get to earn a few bucks.

[stjay]

You know what I'm sick of - I should be it's been going on for more than 2000 years!!!! - it's sports being commandeered as a vehicle for social and political engineering. Bread and circuses.

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN and the second a crowd has a problem with a man of Aboriginal descent we have moral paragons - read social engineers - like the great thinker Ross Lyon informing the AFL public that to boo Adam Goodes is literally to return to "the White Austrlia Policy". I'm sickened by the disrespect towards the average footy going person that sentiment - and much media sentiment - betrays.

This is a complicated matter that involves many sentiments and nuances but if you were to go by some of the attitudes that are in alignment with the views expressed by the erstwhile coach of St. Kilda you'd think that this was a country on the verge of some racialist dictatorship. It's amusing because most of the people who boo Adam Goodes probably have an indigenous player they hold in the highest esteem, I wish someone would bloody ask them! All I seem to read is journalists taking their turn at parapsychology and reading the minds of these people.

I've written on SS about my utter contempt for Goodes previously because I think his attitude is unbeftiing of a grown man, let alone an "Australian of the Year". I don't know if I'd boo him were the swans to play in my area but I'll always try to defend those who do from the ignorant, bigoted and hate filled smears that are piled on them by the very people who simultaneously genuinely hold hideously malignant opinions about the average Australian while hypocritically lambasting imagined bigotry against people like Adam Goodes.

I also get tired of people, typically those that call themselves progressive liberals (not to be confused with the Liberal Party) but are really cultural marxists, saying how racist this country is when it is clear, based on the relative harmony in which people live together, that we are a very tolerent society compared to many. We get bashed over the head with it repeatedly to create this collective guilt which diverts our attention from the real issues and is used to divide the community.
BUT
That also doesn't mean there aren't instances and examples of racism in this country and the Adam Goodes situation is one of them unfortunately. At its base it is racism.
I cannot avoid that conclusion, as much as I want to and as much as I hate the opportunity this provides to the pious, pompous, cultural elitist trash who want to have a say in every facet of our lives.

Have to say though, it is not racist coz Adam Goodes thinks it's racist, that's like saying "I'm offended" when what you're really saying is "I'm incapable of controlling my own emotions". You're allowed to be offended and there's no foul by the offending party - you do not have the right to not have your feelings hurt. It is racially based coz the growing phenomenon of booing Adam Goodes has become a sport in itelf. It is totally disproportionate to the supposed crime and it just so happens to be directed towards a high profile opinionate indigenous activist. The individual who boos may have his own reasons but there is no question why the collective are booing him. Individuals, by and large, behave rationally, crowds do not. The collective whole often acts differently than the sum of the parts.
Let's hope we see the end of it today so we can all move on.

[saynta]

I would like to see the end of the booing and the end of this thread. . And yes it is time to move on.

ps.love your discription of the self loathers amongst us.

[gringo]

You know what I'm sick of - I should be it's been going on for more than 2000 years!!!! - it's sports being commandeered as a vehicle for social and political engineering. Bread and circuses.

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN and the second a crowd has a problem with a man of Aboriginal descent we have moral paragons - read social engineers - like the great thinker Ross Lyon informing the AFL public that to boo Adam Goodes is literally to return to "the White Austrlia Policy". I'm sickened by the disrespect towards the average footy going person that sentiment - and much media sentiment - betrays.

This is a complicated matter that involves many sentiments and nuances but if you were to go by some of the attitudes that are in alignment with the views expressed by the erstwhile coach of St. Kilda you'd think that this was a country on the verge of some racialist dictatorship. It's amusing because most of the people who boo Adam Goodes probably have an indigenous player they hold in the highest esteem, I wish someone would bloody ask them! All I seem to read is journalists taking their turn at parapsychology and reading the minds of these people.

I've written on SS about my utter contempt for Goodes previously because I think his attitude is unbeftiing of a grown man, let alone an "Australian of the Year". I don't know if I'd boo him were the swans to play in my area but I'll always try to defend those who do from the ignorant, bigoted and hate filled smears that are piled on them by the very people who simultaneously genuinely hold hideously malignant opinions about the average Australian while hypocritically lambasting imagined bigotry against people like Adam Goodes.

I think Australia has lost a lot of it's right to claim tolerance these days. We treat refugees with the kind of contempt that the German people treated the Jews. It's such an issue in the polls the politicians grope the depths of cruelty to look more like arseholes to please the Australian people. We aren't allowed hear what happens to the refugees so feel like its nothing to do with us but that was how it was in Germany. The people didn't really know... but they didn't want to. We still trade in our minds on our great tolerance but the simmering mood is not quite what it seems. I wouldn't want to be muslim here these days.

[stjay]

You know what I'm sick of - I should be it's been going on for more than 2000 years!!!! - it's sports being commandeered as a vehicle for social and political engineering. Bread and circuses.

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN and the second a crowd has a problem with a man of Aboriginal descent we have moral paragons - read social engineers - like the great thinker Ross Lyon informing the AFL public that to boo Adam Goodes is literally to return to "the White Austrlia Policy". I'm sickened by the disrespect towards the average footy going person that sentiment - and much media sentiment - betrays.

This is a complicated matter that involves many sentiments and nuances but if you were to go by some of the attitudes that are in alignment with the views expressed by the erstwhile coach of St. Kilda you'd think that this was a country on the verge of some racialist dictatorship. It's amusing because most of the people who boo Adam Goodes probably have an indigenous player they hold in the highest esteem, I wish someone would bloody ask them! All I seem to read is journalists taking their turn at parapsychology and reading the minds of these people.

I've written on SS about my utter contempt for Goodes previously because I think his attitude is unbeftiing of a grown man, let alone an "Australian of the Year". I don't know if I'd boo him were the swans to play in my area but I'll always try to defend those who do from the ignorant, bigoted and hate filled smears that are piled on them by the very people who simultaneously genuinely hold hideously malignant opinions about the average Australian while hypocritically lambasting imagined bigotry against people like Adam Goodes.

I think Australia has lost a lot of it's right to claim tolerance these days. We treat refugees with the kind of contempt that the German people treated the Jews. It's such an issue in the polls the politicians grope the depths of cruelty to look more like arseholes to please the Australian people. We aren't allowed hear what happens to the refugees so feel like its nothing to do with us but that was how it was in Germany. The people didn't really know... but they didn't want to. We still trade in our minds on our great tolerance but the simmering mood is not quite what it seems. I wouldn't want to be muslim here these days.

It is such a multi-faceted issue where right and wrong exists on both sides and has been mischaracterised from the start. Couldn't agree more that the saddest part about it is the loss of our humanity.

[satchmo]

The Wayland Smithers School of Journalism


One thing I’ve come to understand about our society is that often, those who see themselves as the most tolerant, educated and enlightened are usually most racist, close-minded of all. These types were the first to pick up their keyboard or a microphone and declare that speaking negatively about the so-called ‘war dance’ effort from Adam Goodes over the weekend means that we are culturally ignorant, yet in making such a claim, have themselves ignored an entire segment of the Aboriginal community, who are appalled at the ‘performance’. In wanting us to be a homogenous community capable of only thinking and feeling one way, therefore enabling them to have the correct information and be ‘right’, they are guilty of the same crime they are continually accusing an entire nation of – RACISM.

As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life.

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com. ... ol-of.html

That's crap. This guy has a voice and he uses it but at the end of the day I don't think he represents most indigenous voices in Australia. Well maybe the North Queensland Uncle Tom Noel Person would agree with him but most would find this guy just a sell out. He's basically distancing himself from him because he's a sell out to white culture and as such has lost his right to speak on issues relating to indigenous people. You can find Jewish holocaust deniers but it doesn't make that the consensus.

You don't think he represents most indigenous voices in Australia? Do you have some sort of basis for that opinion, or is it the vibe?

At any rate he represents AN indigenous opinion, and we could surely consider it on that basis at least.

Well I have a cousin who is indigenous, I know another family that are indigenous and I have know quite a few indigenous people, none of the ones I have known would think that guys opinion is similar to their. Most of them are extremely proud of Goodes as an ambassador. Even Anthony Mundine is seen as a strong leader, he polarises most Australians too. He is a trouble making loud mouth that has an even more abrasive way of bringing up issues. The article Stan Grant wrote probably best represents how most feel, that their culture is something they try to avoid talking about because there is shame associated with it. Most peoples mental image is one of disfunction and poverty when they think of the average indigenous Australian.

Muhammed Ali upset the white majority in the US but also represented his people as strong powerful and aggressive and encouraged movements like the black Panthers. The people like the author above were labelled Uncle Toms in the black resistance movement for their seeming happiness to leave everything exactly as it was no matter how bad it gets. The indigenous people in Australia have gone backwards under the current government and are being further marginalised and there is nothing reported on it. They were promised that even though their right were further eroded that there would be an amendment to our constitution acknowledging them, we have our prime minister now saying that it not really an issue anymore. At least when they are shunted off there land that they have had autonomy removed from and then all funding cut out of the miners will get to earn a few bucks.

What Adam Goodes has achieved as a sports person is remarkable. But I think that Ali's contribution to race relations in the US is extraordinary, so the comparison is at the very least premature.

[gringo]

The Wayland Smithers School of Journalism


One thing I’ve come to understand about our society is that often, those who see themselves as the most tolerant, educated and enlightened are usually most racist, close-minded of all. These types were the first to pick up their keyboard or a microphone and declare that speaking negatively about the so-called ‘war dance’ effort from Adam Goodes over the weekend means that we are culturally ignorant, yet in making such a claim, have themselves ignored an entire segment of the Aboriginal community, who are appalled at the ‘performance’. In wanting us to be a homogenous community capable of only thinking and feeling one way, therefore enabling them to have the correct information and be ‘right’, they are guilty of the same crime they are continually accusing an entire nation of – RACISM.

As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life.

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com. ... ol-of.html

That's crap. This guy has a voice and he uses it but at the end of the day I don't think he represents most indigenous voices in Australia. Well maybe the North Queensland Uncle Tom Noel Person would agree with him but most would find this guy just a sell out. He's basically distancing himself from him because he's a sell out to white culture and as such has lost his right to speak on issues relating to indigenous people. You can find Jewish holocaust deniers but it doesn't make that the consensus.

You don't think he represents most indigenous voices in Australia? Do you have some sort of basis for that opinion, or is it the vibe?

At any rate he represents AN indigenous opinion, and we could surely consider it on that basis at least.

Well I have a cousin who is indigenous, I know another family that are indigenous and I have know quite a few indigenous people, none of the ones I have known would think that guys opinion is similar to their. Most of them are extremely proud of Goodes as an ambassador. Even Anthony Mundine is seen as a strong leader, he polarises most Australians too. He is a trouble making loud mouth that has an even more abrasive way of bringing up issues. The article Stan Grant wrote probably best represents how most feel, that their culture is something they try to avoid talking about because there is shame associated with it. Most peoples mental image is one of disfunction and poverty when they think of the average indigenous Australian.

Muhammed Ali upset the white majority in the US but also represented his people as strong powerful and aggressive and encouraged movements like the black Panthers. The people like the author above were labelled Uncle Toms in the black resistance movement for their seeming happiness to leave everything exactly as it was no matter how bad it gets. The indigenous people in Australia have gone backwards under the current government and are being further marginalised and there is nothing reported on it. They were promised that even though their right were further eroded that there would be an amendment to our constitution acknowledging them, we have our prime minister now saying that it not really an issue anymore. At least when they are shunted off there land that they have had autonomy removed from and then all funding cut out of the miners will get to earn a few bucks.

What Adam Goodes has achieved as a sports person is remarkable. But I think that Ali's contribution to race relations in the US is extraordinary, so the comparison is at the very least premature.

Yeah it's obviously a huge gulf there but he has inspired guys like Mundine and Goodes to use the profile they have to speak up and it polarises and upsets but Ali was like a lever in US society and bought about massive change and really started a new way that white people and African Americans viewed themselves. Strong role models can make a huge difference to a persons way of seeing them selves. Goodes might seem like a wanker to some but to an Aboriginal kid who is used to being shamed for his heritage people like Goodes and Mundine make them puff out their chest a bit more. Even the racists would admit that the guys like Goodes who achieve success would help pull people out of a cycle of poverty and disenfranchisement through their leading by example.

[saynta]

You know what I'm sick of - I should be it's been going on for more than 2000 years!!!! - it's sports being commandeered as a vehicle for social and political engineering. Bread and circuses.

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN and the second a crowd has a problem with a man of Aboriginal descent we have moral paragons - read social engineers - like the great thinker Ross Lyon informing the AFL public that to boo Adam Goodes is literally to return to "the White Austrlia Policy". I'm sickened by the disrespect towards the average footy going person that sentiment - and much media sentiment - betrays.

This is a complicated matter that involves many sentiments and nuances but if you were to go by some of the attitudes that are in alignment with the views expressed by the erstwhile coach of St. Kilda you'd think that this was a country on the verge of some racialist dictatorship. It's amusing because most of the people who boo Adam Goodes probably have an indigenous player they hold in the highest esteem, I wish someone would bloody ask them! All I seem to read is journalists taking their turn at parapsychology and reading the minds of these people.

I've written on SS about my utter contempt for Goodes previously because I think his attitude is unbeftiing of a grown man, let alone an "Australian of the Year". I don't know if I'd boo him were the swans to play in my area but I'll always try to defend those who do from the ignorant, bigoted and hate filled smears that are piled on them by the very people who simultaneously genuinely hold hideously malignant opinions about the average Australian while hypocritically lambasting imagined bigotry against people like Adam Goodes.

I think Australia has lost a lot of it's right to claim tolerance these days. We treat refugees with the kind of contempt that the German people treated the Jews.

Whoa there cowboy.that really is taking things a bit too far. I don't think we have gassed anyone yet.

[Con Gorozidis]

Another point for Godwin's Law.
Well played.

[desertsaint]

You know what I'm sick of - I should be it's been going on for more than 2000 years!!!! - it's sports being commandeered as a vehicle for social and political engineering. Bread and circuses.

Australia is one of the most inclusive and culturally pluralisitc countries the WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN and the second a crowd has a problem with a man of Aboriginal descent we have moral paragons - read social engineers - like the great thinker Ross Lyon informing the AFL public that to boo Adam Goodes is literally to return to "the White Austrlia Policy". I'm sickened by the disrespect towards the average footy going person that sentiment - and much media sentiment - betrays.

This is a complicated matter that involves many sentiments and nuances but if you were to go by some of the attitudes that are in alignment with the views expressed by the erstwhile coach of St. Kilda you'd think that this was a country on the verge of some racialist dictatorship. It's amusing because most of the people who boo Adam Goodes probably have an indigenous player they hold in the highest esteem, I wish someone would bloody ask them! All I seem to read is journalists taking their turn at parapsychology and reading the minds of these people.

I've written on SS about my utter contempt for Goodes previously because I think his attitude is unbeftiing of a grown man, let alone an "Australian of the Year". I don't know if I'd boo him were the swans to play in my area but I'll always try to defend those who do from the ignorant, bigoted and hate filled smears that are piled on them by the very people who simultaneously genuinely hold hideously malignant opinions about the average Australian while hypocritically lambasting imagined bigotry against people like Adam Goodes.

I also get tired of people, typically those that call themselves progressive liberals (not to be confused with the Liberal Party) but are really cultural marxists, saying how racist this country is when it is clear, based on the relative harmony in which people live together, that we are a very tolerent society compared to many. We get bashed over the head with it repeatedly to create this collective guilt which diverts our attention from the real issues and is used to divide the community.
BUT
That also doesn't mean there aren't instances and examples of racism in this country and the Adam Goodes situation is one of them unfortunately. At its base it is racism.
I cannot avoid that conclusion, as much as I want to and as much as I hate the opportunity this provides to the pious, pompous, cultural elitist trash who want to have a say in every facet of our lives.

Have to say though, it is not racist coz Adam Goodes thinks it's racist, that's like saying "I'm offended" when what you're really saying is "I'm incapable of controlling my own emotions". You're allowed to be offended and there's no foul by the offending party - you do not have the right to not have your feelings hurt. It is racially based coz the growing phenomenon of booing Adam Goodes has become a sport in itelf. It is totally disproportionate to the supposed crime and it just so happens to be directed towards a high profile opinionate indigenous activist. The individual who boos may have his own reasons but there is no question why the collective are booing him. Individuals, by and large, behave rationally, crowds do not. The collective whole often acts differently than the sum of the parts.
Let's hope we see the end of it today so we can all move on.

good stuff by both of you. enjoy reading from people who have put a bit of thought into it rather than spew emotion or regurtitate the whim of their chosen prophet.

[bigcarlosis]

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Separation Day . . .
The day Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall!
No amount of "Kings horses" or "AFL men" will mend the rift created on this day . .
Strongly stated opinions pro or con only confirm your own bias . . don't expect to change the "other"!

[gringo]

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Separation Day . . .
The day Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall!
No amount of "Kings horses" or "AFL men" will mend the rift created on this day . .
Strongly stated opinions pro or con only confirm your own bias . . don't expect to change the "other"!

So you are saying he was wrong to stop a person racially abusing him? WTF. That kids parents should be the ones being questioned about how they are bringing up their little rat. Edie reframed the whole thing to protect his Collingwood brand then went further comparing Goodes to king kong.

[stjay]

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Separation Day . . .
The day Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall!
No amount of "Kings horses" or "AFL men" will mend the rift created on this day . .
Strongly stated opinions pro or con only confirm your own bias . . don't expect to change the "other"!

So you are saying he was wrong to stop a person racially abusing him? WTF. That kids parents should be the ones being questioned about how they are bringing up their little rat. Edie reframed the whole thing to protect his Collingwood brand then went further comparing Goodes to king kong.

Unbelievable!
Responds to a racial comment coming from over the fence, defends himself by pointing it out and then get racially vilified by a senior football figure - and he's the problem?!!!
And it happened over two years ago!
Another lame example to justify the current nonsense.
Gimme a break.

[Austinnn]

The righteous always have a righteous viewpoint. That's why they are righteous. They are normally wrong though.
Really cool to hear how you knew Robbie Hunter, Ruby and Archie. That's just a buzz for the forum. Who woulda thought...
Everyone's indigenous now, If you are 1% indigenous you can strut about and play the minority card. Did wonders for ATSIC...are you friends with Geoff Clarke?

Percentages don't exist in the Australian Indigenous world. No matter what your skin colour is, it's what is in your heart that counts. One either identifies or not.

Percentages belong to the slave trade, and should have died out with it.

“I will state flatly that the bulk of this country’s white population impresses me, and has so impressed me for a very long time, as being beyond any conceivable hope of moral rehabilitation. They have been white, if I may so put it, too long. They have been married to the lie of white supremacy too long. The effect in their personalities, their lives, their very grasp of realty, has been as devastating as the lava which so memorably immobilized the citizens of Pompeii. They are unable to conceive that their version of reality, which they want me to accept, is an insult to my history, a parody of theirs and an intolerable violation of myself.”

— James Baldwin

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/04/ ... -disorder/

Isn't it remarkable that to base sweeping, deeply insulting, generalisations of white people on nothing more than the colour of their skin is perfectly acceptable, but do the exact same thing to black people is the height of racism !!

Yeah, its pretty remarkable.

Y'know what I find REALLY remarkable? You get a horse to plough a field; no problem. You get a 12-year old child to do the same job, you get locked up. I mean, they're both living creatures, right?

Context is a pretty convenient thing to overlook.