Match thread v Giants

[Grimfang]

Series of about 15 possible free kicks against GWS in that passage of play in their forward 50, not one paid.

[ROLS-LEE]

Just way to casual today. The non Shepard by Webster was pretty ordinary. Nothing going right today.

[kalsaint]

following this thread and not one mention of our comeback.

Probably cause we play 5 minutes of flowing footy that scored 3 goals then licking to forwards became an issue again with wasted opportunities.

The same old line will be run about lost opportunity, not hard at it in the first half, Shaw comprehensively has out muscled Lonie and ultimately delivery continues to be poor to the forwards.
Never going to win any finals if we cant lick straight to players when clear. This bugs me more than anything as we lost 2 consecutive GF's probably for the same reason.

[ROLS-LEE]

Sub also should be a runner. Were are you Faz.

[Grimfang]

Piss weak effort from Webster. Failed to protect the ball carrier.

[kalsaint]

Piss weak effort from Webster. Failed to protect the ball carrier.

Oh so true. If the ball carrier isn't protected expect a turnover given our kicking skills.

Webster made a few mistakes today. One terrible kick to give away an easy goal.

We need to be sure that we have the right team for the opposition of the day. I don't think we got this right and the effort was issue early but small guys get tired, bigger guys don't get shorter. We suffered from the former today.

[kalsaint]

Piss weak effort from Webster. Failed to protect the ball carrier.

Oh so true. If the ball carrier isn't protected expect a turnover given our kicking skills.

Webster made a few mistakes today. One terrible kick to give away an easy goal.

We need to be sure that we have the right team for the opposition of the day. I don't think we got this right and the effort was issue early but small guys get tired, bigger guys don't get shorter. We suffered from the former today.

[Jacks Back]

Not good saints.

[kalsaint]

Listening to the SEN commentators dribble on and they mentioned the sloppy kicking and putting to the fact we have a young side. Last week was good, free space and no pressure means time is given for kicking.

Today, pressure builds and players need protection when they have the ball so time is not so critical to get a good delivery. Unfortunately we miss the simple kicks when there is perceived pressure.

Other teams have the same issue but not as much as we do in this regard. Don't we have the discipline for protection or the senior bodies to deliver this protection? Why do other clubs not have the same issue to the same extent? It baffles me as the kicking issue has been around for up to 9 years now.

[The Fireman]

The poor umpiring against us didn't help but GWS were too good. They are and will be a very good side. We aren't that far behind them. Some good picks this year and we are set ready to go.

[stjay]

Gilbert 150 games - Disposals 13, efficiency 38.5%.
Hmmmm......

[Con Gorozidis]

Gilbert 150 games - Disposals 13, efficiency 38.5%.
Hmmmm......

Pretty match standard stuff. No surprises.

Remember when posters were saying how he ws an AFL great and 'people how forget how good he is' and 'he really adds a lot down back ' etc etc etc. No i never forgot what Gilbert gives us. Flashes of brilliance but mainly loads of turnovers and poor decisions. Has been exactly the same for 4 years now.

[gringo]

Listening to the SEN commentators dribble on and they mentioned the sloppy kicking and putting to the fact we have a young side. Last week was good, free space and no pressure means time is given for kicking.

Today, pressure builds and players need protection when they have the ball so time is not so critical to get a good delivery. Unfortunately we miss the simple kicks when there is perceived pressure.

Other teams have the same issue but not as much as we do in this regard. Don't we have the discipline for protection or the senior bodies to deliver this protection? Why do other clubs not have the same issue to the same extent? It baffles me as the kicking issue has been around for up to 9 years now.

I think you just notice when its your own team. My Tigers and Demons mates are always saying the same thing. Even my Hawks mates complain about their disposal efficiency.

[bigcarl]

The poor umpiring against us didn't help but GWS were too good. They are and will be a very good side. We aren't that far behind them. Some good picks this year and we are set ready to go.

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[stjay]

Gilbert 150 games - Disposals 13, efficiency 38.5%.
Hmmmm......

Pretty match standard stuff. No surprises.

Remember when posters were saying how he ws an AFL great and 'people how forget how good he is' and 'he really adds a lot down back ' etc etc etc. No i never forgot what Gilbert gives us. Flashes of brilliance but mainly loads of turnovers and poor decisions. Has been exactly the same for 4 years now.

Yep, no different. It's hard to drive high standards when you've got senior players turning in that sort of a display.
If it was a young kid doing it you could understand but we are out of excuses with this guy.

[Con Gorozidis]

Reality check today. At Round 15 the ladder doesn't lie and that was 8th v 13th.
It is what it is. That's where we are at. We still lack some polish and class in the midfield.

[kalsaint]

Listening to the SEN commentators dribble on and they mentioned the sloppy kicking and putting to the fact we have a young side. Last week was good, free space and no pressure means time is given for kicking.

Today, pressure builds and players need protection when they have the ball so time is not so critical to get a good delivery. Unfortunately we miss the simple kicks when there is perceived pressure.

Other teams have the same issue but not as much as we do in this regard. Don't we have the discipline for protection or the senior bodies to deliver this protection? Why do other clubs not have the same issue to the same extent? It baffles me as the kicking issue has been around for up to 9 years now.

I think you just notice when its your own team. My Tigers and Demons mates are always saying the same thing. Even my Hawks mates complain about their disposal efficiency.

You are probably partly right but I note when other teams protect their players. Collingwood did a great job of this against Hawthorn last week and a fair job against Port this week. The players concerned were also generally younger team players, being from last 2 years drafts and being defenders as well.

Richmond against the Swans and Against the Giants in that last quarter last week. Player protection was the reason the team got free on both games. The difference to the Saints was that the kicking forward was so much better.

I don't rate last weeks game against the Dons in this regard due to the lack of opposition pressure. We still have a long way to go with the basics of creation and forward kicking before we become consistently competitive.

Can also add the poor kicking against Adelaide and West Coast. We turned it over so many times by licking directly to opposition players. When those 2 team got free they protected their players and scored massively with percentage.

[kalsaint]

Hawthorn Freo half time commentary on AFL site is reading much like the Giants / Saints game. Although Freo got I50's in the second term with similar efficiency to goal!

[Austinnn]

If this weekend has taught me anything, its that I should never be a tipster or a gambler: I would have got 2/9 for this round.

[saint6709]

Need to change shoes. How many times are we falling over

Was at the game - the first half was ridiculous our falling over and fumbling